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Good job, Venezuela
    #7710347 - 12/03/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: afoaf]
    #7710355 - 12/03/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Say what you like about Mr. Chavez and the direction of the country as a whole, but they at least seem to have a functioning and legitimate election system.


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7710477 - 12/03/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

russia could learn a thing or two.


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: afoaf]
    #7710486 - 12/03/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My sister is a senior reporter for a prominent Russian newspaper that is printed in the capital. She's careful, but she has written a couple of articles that don't cast the gov. in a favorable light. When I talk to her on the phone she avoids all touchy subjects and you can hear little clickety-clicks.


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7710526 - 12/03/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> and you can hear little clickety-clicks.

Dick Cheney or Vladimir Putin? Probably a bit of both.


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: Seuss]
    #7710573 - 12/03/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm more than a little worried for her considering one of her personal heroes is Anna Politkovskaya.


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: Seuss]
    #7710635 - 12/03/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Seuss said:
> and you can hear little clickety-clicks.

Dick Cheney or Vladimir Putin?  Probably a bit of both.



probably just the line. i reckon they can monitor calls without making noise :grin:


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: Arp]
    #7710662 - 12/03/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The Americans, yes.

But the KGB?

After seeing them pull off their hostage "rescue" a few years back, my faith in their ability to pull off any kind of operation is rather limited. Plus, they don't have a necessity to hide their spying. Everyone expects their communications to be tapped.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: Arp]
    #7710744 - 12/03/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i reckon they can monitor calls without making noise :grin:




It'd be more fun to monitor calls and then make noise. :rofl2:

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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: afoaf]
    #7711408 - 12/03/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yep, "Good job, Venezuela" the citizens rejected his first attempt at dictatorship.

51% opposed

49% approved of Chavez being appointed for life.


Which ONLY leaves 5 more yearly bids to change the law so he can become dictator for life.


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7711490 - 12/03/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

quite a small margin indeed.


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7711511 - 12/03/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7711523 - 12/03/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Does anyone have an English version of this amendment? I don't want to judge it based on commentary, but on the text of the amendment.


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: Redstorm]
    #7711544 - 12/03/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: Redstorm]
    #7711579 - 12/03/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_constitutional_referendum,_2007


Besides lifting presidential term limits, the referendum proposes to allow the media to be censored and civil liberties suspended under a state of emergency, to permit the government seizure of private property, to mandate a six-hour work day, to increase presidential power over state authorities and to end central bank autonomy.


No biggie...


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7711584 - 12/03/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
yep, "Good job, Venezuela" the citizens rejected his first attempt at dictatorship.

51% opposed

49% approved of Chavez being appointed for life.


Which ONLY leaves 5 more yearly bids to change the law so he can become dictator for life.




He IS allowed to run again in 2012.

Although.. he could just oust the next president in yet another coup


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7711587 - 12/03/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7711592 - 12/03/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

6 hour work day? Shit. I take it all back about Chavez. I'm moving to Venezuela.

6 hourds huh? That that count the time they spend waiting around the side of Home Depot or the 7-11s?


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7711594 - 12/03/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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permit the government seizure of private property


Eminent Domain.

sad but true.....


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7711671 - 12/03/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Chavez defeated? 

Fuck, drinks are on me! :irishtoast:


As long as someone else brings the ganga :gethigh:


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7712033 - 12/03/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I ordered 6 of these, not a half-dozen!


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7713906 - 12/04/07 03:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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yep, "Good job, Venezuela" the citizens rejected his first attempt at dictatorship.

51% opposed

49% approved of Chavez being appointed for life.




That's pretty much the difference between George W. Bush and Al Gore for the last eight years. Al Gore would have been heaven compared to Bush.


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Re: Good job, Venezuela [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7715321 - 12/04/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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