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Cannabischarlie
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question about basification stage of DMT Extraction
#7663385 - 11/21/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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In my tek, this is done after preparing it with a solvent (naphta) but it talks about emulsions, and the jar heating up and pressure etc. first of all, how fast is this reaction? am I in danger of having my sep funnel blow up in my face if im not quick to turn it upside down and venting it, or do I have a little while, and second, when does this become stable, i.e when can i cap it up and let the emulsion form in my sep funnel overnight? my tek is a little vague on that part.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7669838 - 11/23/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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any one?
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7669866 - 11/23/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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the water heats up as the base is added but cools down after a few minutes. the slower you mix in the base the less heat builds up. if you can premix the water/base solution in an open jar and allow it to cool before adding it to your plant material. ive never used a sep funnel for my extractions so i'm not sure if my advice helps at all. good luck.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: waixingren]
#7670281 - 11/23/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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definitely pre-mixing before hand, as the tek calls for it (logically, it says to avoid ph spikes that kill your tryptamine.) which will of course be ph tested. How long before I can put the top on, or should I just not? (say as if i was using just a jar)
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7670719 - 11/23/07 02:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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40 views and no one can tell me whether I need to leave this open or closed after basifying?
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7670973 - 11/23/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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When I did my extraction. I added the lye then put it in a hot water bath using a crock pot and lining it with a towel to protect the glass jug. The heat makes the layers separate much faster. I also had the cap on the jug, it did not explode. But I did not have it on super air tight.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Truth_Within]
#7671027 - 11/23/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would be attempting to do this in a sep funnel, or worse case a jar. I figure i can use the crock pot method like you state, regardless of what I use, but how long should it take to seperate on average, and should i be keeping it warm, and if so, how warm? the whole basification thing is vague in some areas.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7672945 - 11/23/07 11:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why follow a tek that is vague in the essential steps?
An inseparable emulsion forms if you shake the naptha and base (lye+water+DMT-plant). Do not shake the jar. The naptha layer will float above the base. Roll the jar on its side slowly for five minutes, then let the naptha layer settle on top again. Do this a few times. The final time, separate naptha layer out into a container jar that goes into your freezer.
Do this a few times. Everytime, putting the naptha layer into its own container. Some teks suggest 3, but I suggest you keep doing it until you can't get any more spice out. The last few times, you should keep the naptha layer on it for 24-72 hours.
Adding hot naptha or heating the jar a little can help get more spice out, or so strangers on the Intertubes say..
Mixing lye and water = HEAT! It's no big deal if you're doing this small scale. I wouldn't mix a barrel of water with a barrel of NaOH though. Be sure to wait for the container (mason jar is fine) to cool down before mixing in your plant matter, so the heat won't destroy spice.. although it doesn't get too hot.
I don't know what pressure you're talking about.. link us to your tek.
"when can i cap it up and let the emulsion form in my sep funnel overnight?"
The naptha layer should form ABOVE the base, like mixing water and oil.. an emulsion is bad. How can you separate the emulsion? You can't. That's why it's bad.
The entire process takes a few hours (minus waiting for crystals to form), but it's very tedious so I suggest breaks in between.
Naptha is flammable as hell.. watch out!
Also, if you wash your crystals with ammonia, make sure it's FREEZING cold and make sure it's 10% janitorial strength.. you can use normal ammonia but it should be clear (not yellow) and should NOT form bubbles when shaken. It sort of resembles water. Ammonia washes off the lye.
A few more details..Keep it closed. There's no pressure. Heat doesn't equal pressure, and you don't need to heat it up at all. Most people do this at room temp. If you absolutely positively must add heat, then just placing the base jar into warm water when you're waiting for the naptha layer to separate is sufficient. warm = warmer than room temp. Some people add very hot naptha to the base jar, but it's flammable and not worth the risk.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Quake3]
#7674153 - 11/24/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks, thats very helpful. the tek goes into some detail of what you are talking about but does not give time frames and simply says there will be heat. it says to vent often and i have heard of one person doing a tek where a large jar broke because of the pressure given off by the process. i think all of this makes the most sense. how will I know when all the spice is out, is it visibly apparent? I am doing QT's tek, which is on erowid and other places. I am trying to do the basification step in a sep funnel so i can easily seperate the layers.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7674358 - 11/24/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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some say that tek is outdated
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: zekesdream]
#7674736 - 11/24/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know its old, but it works, and its on of the easier ones to start on.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7674786 - 11/24/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Search for the Lazy Man Tek. This is the easiest extraction there is, there shouldn't ever be questions posted about this one. It's pretty self-explanatory.
1). Mix water + NaOH + MHRB 2). Mix in your solvent 3). Let layers settle and let sit for a while 4). Pour solvent layer off into glass pan 5). Evaporate, done.
After that you can do a solvent wash or wash with an ammonia solution to get whiter and cleaner product. Then you can rinse with some distilled water or something to make it even cleaner (for use).
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Robo]
#7674791 - 11/24/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can post this stuff in the Chem and Pharm forum too, you know. The PE forum isn't really for questions related to extraction procedure.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Robo]
#7675058 - 11/24/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks, I will try that over there, although I think my questions have pretty much been answered.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Robo]
#7676013 - 11/24/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Adagio said: 4). Pour solvent layer off into glass pan 5). Evaporate, done.
After that you can do a solvent wash or wash with an ammonia solution to get whiter and cleaner product. Then you can rinse with some distilled water or something to make it even cleaner (for use).
If you evaporate the solvent (naptha) off to get crystals, they will be very impure and require washing. One way to go straight to clean(er) crystals is to freeze precipitate. place naptha in a closed container (jar) in the freezer and wait 10+ hours. You will see crystals (DMT) form on the bottom and sides of the jar. Now strain this through a coffee filter (might need to scrape crystals off the jar's bottom/sides with a spatula). This has to be done quick because if the naptha warms up, it will dissolve the DMT again.
You will know when you've gotten all the DMT out when you evaporate or freeze precipitate the naptha layer and find that no more DMT is being left over.
Quantum Tantra's (QT) tek is outdated AFAIK.. look on DMT-Nexus for "Noman's MHRB Extraction." There might be newer teks there too.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7676711 - 11/25/07 02:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Cannabischarlie said: In my tek, this is done after preparing it with a solvent (naphta) but it talks about emulsions, and the jar heating up and pressure etc. first of all, how fast is this reaction? am I in danger of having my sep funnel blow up in my face if im not quick to turn it upside down and venting it, or do I have a little while, and second, when does this become stable, i.e when can i cap it up and let the emulsion form in my sep funnel overnight? my tek is a little vague on that part.
The reaction is fast, its pretty much instant, although the speed of the pressure build up will depend on how hot it is and how vigorously you mix it. You are in danger of things blowing up if you use glass and everything is sealed. You have to vent quickly and often.
The pressure also settles down pretty quickly, although the pressure buildup continues at a slow rate for quite a while. There's no reason why you would need to seal it at this stage, i leave the cap off while waiting for separation.
But to make things a lot easier, you don't need a separatory funnel at all, its only really useful for an acid defat. Just use a turkey baster to pull the top layer off. And use a plastic soda bottle or similar to avoid the whole blowing up issue.
P.S the emulsion will not occur at all if the pH is high enough. Even if you shake the hell out of it, a high pH will leave perfect separation. Even if your pH is medium-high the emulsion will settle down over 5 - 15 mins.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: undergrounder]
#7694387 - 11/29/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks, I have had others state that the ph being high enough will stop the emulsion problem so litmus paper is def your friend for this. Its good to hear things reiterated by more people because it reinforces the validity. on last question if I may, can I go right into freeze precipitation before evaporation or should i evap, then reapply solvent? I havent read any teks on recrys/fr precip that didnt start from impure already extracted DMT.
keep in mind I am just collecting this informaton for SWIM who lives in a country where this is perfectly legal. yep yep
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7694908 - 11/29/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The problem with freeze precipitation is that you have to have enough solute in your solvent to form crystals. Seems like people are having good luck with evapping it down to 1/3 or 1/2 of what it was before freezing.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Stizzle]
#7699275 - 11/30/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm, thanks stizzle, thats a very intelligent observation of the chemistry behind this. Ill might check around on that, but from what you are saying i think i may just measure before evapping a little and after and base it around the suspected yield of the DMT based on the tek, and also the recrys tek im adding at the end.
You guys have been very helpful. im hoping this all goes smoothly.
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Re: question about basification stage of DMT Extraction [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#7710282 - 12/03/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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IM gona butt in here and ask about something base related.
So if one were to do a Straight Base extraction and then extract via naptha, then evap how clean is that final product or do people that do this method do it cause the freeze parcipitate. In the past i have found that acid base method when using mimosa to have stuff in it when you defatt it (as in in the naptha) so really wondering if im not freeze parcipitating am i better off with a acid/base vs. straight base. Via acid/base i got white crystals only doing a evaportion. so whats the word
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