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Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars
#7710240 - 12/03/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Riot police were on the scene in a Pasadena neighborhood Sunday afternoon as a planned protest teetered on the brink of mayhem.
Quanell X and his followers planned to meet in front of the home of Joe Horn, the man who shot and killed two suspected burglars at his neighbor’s home last month, in the 7400 block of Timberline for a protest around 3 p.m.
But they were met with an even larger group of protesters in support of Horn’s actions.
The Horn supporters, many of whom appeared to come from outside the neighborhood, crowded around Quanell X and his group, revving motorcycles, hoisting signs in support of Horn and chanting “U-S-A! U-S-A!”
“The neighborhood does not want that man here. They don’t want him here. He’s not welcome in this neighborhood. They don’t want him,” Blowout, a pro- Horn protester, said.
Once Quanell X and his supporters left the neighborhood, the protesters marched along the streets, cheering.
“We have a right to bear arms, and we’re not afraid to use it. So criminals in Texas, watch out!” protester Jenni Foster said.
Quanell X and his supporters returned shortly afterward.
“From the very beginning, we said that what the two brothers did was wrong. We don’t condone breaking into somebody’s house. But we are here today because we believe that it’s not right for anyone to become judge, jury and executioner, “ Quanell said, speaking into a bullhorn over angry shouts from the crowd.
“It’s a matter of justice. It’s a matter of fairness. It’s a matter of respecting the law,” he said.
Quanell said the scene was indicative of the biased attitude in the neighborhood.
“If you’ll notice, nobody with us has pushed anybody. Nobody with us has made a racial remark … It’s what I expected. It’s not what I wanted, but it’s what I expected,” Quanell said. “The real question is, be honest, tell the truth. You watched them push, you watched them kick, you watched them shove. Did any of us do that?”
The neighborhood has been awash in controversy ever since the two men, Miguel Dejesus, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, were shot.
The whole thing started when Horn called 911 to say that two men were breaking into his neighbor’s home.
In a tape of the 911 call released to the media, the emergency operator can be heard urging Horn to remain in his home and wait for police to arrive.
“You’re gonna get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don’t care what you think,” the operator said.
Horn disagreed.
“You wanna make a bet?” he said. “I’m gonna kill ‘em.”
After the shooting, a shaken Horn called 911 again.
“I had no choice,” he said. “They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice. Get somebody over here quick.”
Pasadena police are compiling a report on the incident and plan to present the case to Harris County prosecutors, according to police spokesman Vance Mitchell. From there, it’s expected to be presented to a grand jury. In the meantime, Horn remains uncharged.
Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they could otherwise be killed. In limited circumstances, people also can use deadly force to protect their neighbor’s property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbor to watch over his property while he’s out of town.
The question will be whether it was reasonable for Horn to fear the men and whether his earlier threats on the 911 call showed he planned to kill them no matter what, said Fred C. Moss, who teaches criminal law at Southern Methodist University in Dallas.
“That’s what makes it so hard and that’s why we have juries,” Moss said.
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou071202_tnt_pasadenaprotest.5f508ed6.html
Video: Quanell X and the New Black Panther Party Confronted by Joe Horn Supporters
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"This is ten minutes of raw video that I recorded at today’s rally in support of Joe Horn in Pasadena. The video starts with the arrival of Quanell X and a handful of his New Black Panther Party minions. What Quanell might not have known is that several hundred Joe Horn supporters, including about a hundred bikers, were waiting for their arrival. It quickly became, as expected, pretty intense. Everyone got incredibly noisy, there was some pushing and shoving, and I got the real sense that the crowd was going to lose control at times.
In the video you’ll see Quanell and his group march up to Joe Horn’s house and attempt to speak to the media (which is the only reason they’re there) and get denied by the huge crowd and roaring Harleys. Quanell and friends then attempt to move to another street and speak to the media but the crowd follows and chants “USA! USA!” until he and his friends retreat - quickly. The pro-Joe crowd was raucous and intimidating but mostly in control. Watching Quanell almost break out in tears over his inability to get media time was just priceless.
The biker angle has been played up by the media but most of the crowd seemed to come from Joe Horn supporters in the neighborhood. Many seemed to be there primarily to stand in opposition to the racist and sensationalist tactics of Quanell X. They accomplished their mission."

“The Shooting” http://images.chron.com/content/chronicle/special/07/audio/911shooting/shooting.mp3
“Entire call with the shooting” http://images.chron.com/content/chronicle/special/07/audio/911shooting/whole.mp3
“After the shooting” http://images.chron.com/content/chronicle/special/07/audio/911shooting/after.mp3
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#7710247 - 12/03/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Joe Horn will not be indicted in Texas.
A man who lives a few streets down from me killed a Katrina victim who was trying to steal his car stereo.
A TEXAS grand jury no-billed him in 5 minutes.
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Edited by lonestar2004 (12/03/07 10:52 AM)
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#7710278 - 12/03/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Horn is a fucking nutjob.
He wasn't protecting his own property and I don't believe you can protect other's property with lethal force. He knows he did wrong. I've seen an interview with him days afterwards and he realizes what he did was not right. There is a reason we have police officers; vigilante justice is outrageous and should not be condoned.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#7710283 - 12/03/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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if he's not prosecuted, it's a grave injustice.
what he did was foul.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: afoaf]
#7710313 - 12/03/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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IN Cali Joe Horn might get 10-20 years in prison. IN Texas you get a Medal. (Different State Laws)
I would not want Joe Horn or the guy who killed the Katrina Victim living near my house! (stray bullets!)
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#7710337 - 12/03/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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indeed. two extreme ends of the spectrum.
quanell x makes a point.
no one should be judge, jury and executioner.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: afoaf]
#7710357 - 12/03/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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did u see the video? quanell x has big balls to march in that neighborhood. If he tried that shit here on the (WEEEEST SIDE!!) S.A. some crazy Vato would have shanked him.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#7710404 - 12/03/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you break into someone's house, you deserve death. I don't care if captain kangaroo kill you.
But that 911 call was... well... not good.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: d33p]
#7710410 - 12/03/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I could see if it was his house...
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#7710471 - 12/03/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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what's up with the victims...they're black with hispanic names.
my racism is confused!?
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: afoaf]
#7710570 - 12/03/07 12:06 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Blexicans.
Don't worry, you can still hate them.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: afoaf]
#7710572 - 12/03/07 12:06 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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> what's up with the victims...their black with hispanic names.
Fairly common in the Caribbean... usually speak Spanish to go along with the Hispanic names as well.
> I could see if it was his house...
Thats was my thought when reading the story. There is a huge difference between protecting your home and gunning down somebody in your neighbor's home. The first is unfortunate, the second is vigilante justice.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: Seuss]
#7710721 - 12/03/07 12:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why do you guys feel that it is somehow a fundamentally different matter when it isn't your own property you're protecting?
If you see someone getting robbed on the street, does that suddenly mean you aren't to get involved? Of course not. Even if you you witnessed someone breaking into a strangers vehicle, would you not feel obligated to intervene?
Now, I will agree that I think he overreacted. From what I remember reading about this, when confronted the guys dropped the stolen goods and took off running. To then shoot them was uneccessary and since he had already stated his intent to the 911 operator, I think makes it more egregious. Had he not said that, I might have been able to believe he just panicked during the confrontation and did something he didn't intend.
Maybe I'm misreading some of you, but I don't think the use of deadly force should be limited to protecting yourself or your property. Although as I said, in this particular situation I do think it was uncalled for.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: HagbardCeline]
#7710830 - 12/03/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with your assessment.
the 911 tape is condemning.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7710912 - 12/03/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: I could see if it was his house...
The 2 people were in his yard when he shot them.
I have no problem what so ever with what this guy did. The only thing I would have done different is not called 911 until after I shot them. That if anything is where he fucked up. He did the world a favor by removing these pieces of shit from the population. I love Texas!
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: HagbardCeline]
#7711051 - 12/03/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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HagbardCeline said:
From what I remember reading about this, when confronted the guys dropped the stolen goods and took off running.
I thought both were shot in the chest and one shot again in the neck.
Its hard to get shot in the chest while fleeing....
Horn redialed 911 and told the dispatcher what he'd done.
"I had no choice," he said, his voice shaking. "They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice. Get somebody over here quick."
Horn went outside, armed with a 12-gauge shotgun, to see where the burglars were heading when he came face-to-face with them in Horn's front yard, Lambright said.
The suspected burglars were young and strong enough to beat him to death with their bare hands, Lambright said. So when one or both of them "made lunging movements," Horn fired.
"He's trying to protect his own life," Lambright said. "He's scared."
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: afoaf]
#7711067 - 12/03/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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afoaf said: what's up with the victims...they're black with hispanic names.
my racism is confused!?
I'm not sure i feel comfortable answering that question.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#7711295 - 12/03/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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In the state of Texas, it's legal for people robbing your home to be shot. What difference would it make if the home owner was home and shot them both dead?
Rob=Risk getting shot 
The Law in TEXAS, clearly okays thieves being shot dead. What's the difference to THEM? That's why this guy is going to get off.
If you know such a law exists in the state, what are you doing robbing homes unless you are willing to risk getting shot at and maybe killed.
They took a chance to get their hands on some stolen goods in the state of TEXAS and lost.
Moral of the story.
Do not rob a home in Texas.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#7712721 - 12/03/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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i won't be surprised if he's charged following an investigation and i won't be disappointed if he's convicted.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: afoaf]
#7712853 - 12/03/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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afoaf said: if he's not prosecuted, it's a grave injustice.
what he did was foul.
I agree. I am very much for the notion that you can defend your residence with deadly force. But it really seems like this guy just went out to shoot these guys.
Depending on his side of the story, it really seems like he should be convicted. Unless he can demonstrate he went out and told them to surender and they charged him or something...
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: johnm214]
#7712978 - 12/03/07 09:25 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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you can hear practically everything in the 911 tapes.
he opens the door, shouts "hey" and pops off 3 shots.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: afoaf]
#7713167 - 12/03/07 10:02 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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afoaf said: you can hear practically everything in the 911 tapes.
he opens the door, shouts "hey" and pops off 3 shots.
He also says "Move and you're dead." Supposedly they started coming toward him. They were shot facing him on his own property. I see nothing wrong with what he did. The 911 tape does sound bad but he only said "I gonna kill'em" in response to the operator telling him that they will shoot him if he goes outside. Alone, it is taken out of context. One thing that does puzzle me is why the third shell fired is so delayed.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#7713300 - 12/03/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sorry...but I'm vigilante to the core. I have no problem with two burglars getting blown away. Good riddance.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: HagbardCeline]
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> Why do you guys feel that it is somehow a fundamentally different matter when it isn't your own property you're protecting?
I never claimed property; I said home. There is a difference, in my mind, between shooting somebody that breaks into your home, where your family lives, where your children sleep, and going out looking for somebody breaking the law and shooting them. The first case, you are defending your home. The second case, you are actively seeking to engage a criminal. To me, this is the difference.
If the police weren't so busy tossing "druggies" in jail, perhaps they would have time to catch/prevent home invasion robberies.
> If you see someone getting robbed on the street, does that suddenly mean you aren't to get involved?
Again, self defense. There is a difference between protecting yourself from a mugger and going out looking for criminals that are mugging others.
> Even if you you witnessed someone breaking into a strangers vehicle, would you not feel obligated to intervene?
Intervene in what way? Shoot them dead? Ooops, sorry, it was your cousin getting something out of your car for you? Didn't mean to kill her; thought she was a thief. Oh well.
I'm not saying that it is wrong to intervene, but a gun doesn't give one the right to become Sheriff Joe gunning down bad guys.
> Maybe I'm misreading some of you, but I don't think the use of deadly force should be limited to protecting yourself or your property.
Yourself, and your family within your home. Property is replaceable, life is not.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: d33p]
#7714199 - 12/04/07 07:45 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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d33p said: If you break into someone's house, you deserve death. I don't care if captain kangaroo kill you.
I agree, but then again...people can't be taking the law into their own hands when it ISNT their property, because you'll never know the whole situation.
What if, hypothetically, my teenage son was a drug addict and I kicked him out of the house to teach him a lesson, but he broke into my house to steal a tv while I was gone? Even if it IS my someone breaking in to steal a TV, it's my FUCKING SON. How do you think I'm going to feel about my neighbor when he starts blasting and kills my son regardless of whether or not he's a drug addict? I'm gonna fuckin' press charges that's what.
What if YOU're the one that does the blasting, thinking you're a hero and you find out you just killed your neighbor's kid? huh? It would be a little hard to live with yourself, don't you think?
True these dudes were black and the guy was probably 99.99999 percent sure they weren't related to his neighbor.
But I could pull a trigger and kill someone breaking into my house and I wouldn't feel bad. I could never pull it on someone breaking into a neighbor's house because I *just* *don't* know the situation. I couldn't say with 100% certaintty that this person deserves to die.
For all we know the neighbor was trying to donate stuff and called some friends to take away some old junk and the door was locked, so the neirghbor just told them to hop through a window which was unlocked. If you're sitting there with a shotgun next door you just DONT KNOW if this is the situation.
YOU DON'T KNOW. YOU DON'T KNOW. YOU DON'T FUCKING KNOW BECAUSE IT ISN'T YOUR HOUSE.
If you're going to use LETHAL FORCE you better be 100% damn sure it's justified.
We can't take the law into our own hands and for good reason.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: BrAiN]
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What if your drugged up son breaks into someone elses home? Would he deserve to die?
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: Arp]
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Arp said: What if your drugged up son breaks into someone elses home? Would he deserve to die?
sadly enough yes and that would mean as a parent that somewhere along the line I failed to instill within my child good principles. although, i am convinced some people are just born bad in some cases.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: Arp]
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there are a lot of ifs, and or buts that can be brought up in this instance, but the simple fact is he shot two thieves robbing his neighbors house.
id give this guy a high five if he stopped my house from being robbed.
i know there is a lot of PLUR on this website, and thats why most of you cant comprehend what he did for his neighbors and the community, and consider it instead to be a crime. Thats why texas will always be number 1 on my list for best places in the country. I live in nyc now, im not even allowed to own a gun, much less shoot someone that is trying to rob me. I have to sit idely by, while i wait for some high school drop out to come assess the situation. If i shot some guy raping my child, i would go to jail in nyc. That my friends, is retarded.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: BIGSWANG]
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BIGSWANG said: there are a lot of ifs, and or buts that can be brought up in this instance, but the simple fact is he shot two thieves robbing his neighbors house.
id give this guy a high five if he stopped my house from being robbed.
i know there is a lot of PLUR on this website, and thats why most of you cant comprehend what he did for his neighbors and the community, and consider it instead to be a crime. Thats why texas will always be number 1 on my list for best places in the country. I live in nyc now, im not even allowed to own a gun, much less shoot someone that is trying to rob me. I have to sit idely by, while i wait for some high school drop out to come assess the situation. If i shot some guy raping my child, i would go to jail in nyc. That my friends, is retarded.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7714444 - 12/04/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Welp we're still just talking about "stuff". If someone threatens your life it's a different story imho, but threatens stuff? Neh I don't think anyone deserve the death penalty for a TV and a broken window.
At least he could have shot them in the legs 
Perhaps these kinda crimes are common over there and people are fed up. I could understand that.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: Arp]
#7714468 - 12/04/07 09:26 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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its not that thieves are common, its that people have the right to protect themselves, and their belongings. No one should have to rely on a police officer to secure what is rightfully theirs. I know this was his neighbors stuff, but i bet they were good friends, and the neighbor probably would have done the same for him.
did they deserve to die for stealing an xbox, no. Did the man have the right to try and stop them, i believe so. They just happened to die in the process, they must have been allergic to bullets.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7714487 - 12/04/07 09:32 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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My point has nothing to do with PLUR. If they are stealing shit then they should get capped in the ass. But I'm saying that if you extend the right to blow ppl away for breaking in beyond your OWN house into OTHER people's houses, you're creating a LOT more liability and a lot more doubt as to whehter or not the person deserves to get killed.
I've seen a lotta ppl snooping around my neighbors houses in my lifetime when it turned out they were either (a) at the wrong house (b) gas/electric men men (c) cops in plain clothes (d) locked outta their own house trying to get INTO their own house and I didn't know it was a family member trying to get in.
If we start giving ppl the right to blast people your neighbors suspect then we;re gonna have a lotta trigger happy Texans killing more and more people that look like burglars who aren't.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: BrAiN]
#7714606 - 12/04/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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they were on his property at some point
and im sure he knew his neighbors well enough to know that two black guys wouldnt enter the house through a broken window.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7714661 - 12/04/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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True.. but if we start allowing that kind of behavior, not every situation is going to be so cut and dry
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: BrAiN]
#7714675 - 12/04/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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you are right, but untill that day comes
shoot them god damn robbers, yeeeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7714731 - 12/04/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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BIGSWANG said: they must have been allergic to bullets.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: BIGSWANG]
#7714797 - 12/04/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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..."Never was a horse that needed stealing, but some men need killing."
Texas Judge Roy Bean upon a journalist question of why he always hung horse thieves and released some murderers.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#7714964 - 12/04/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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You guys ever see the wild west episode of ren and stimpy (the last episode that John K did)?
OoOOooohhhh
the lord loves a hangin that's why he gave us necks it losens up our vocal cords and straightens out our pecks
so if you are a horse thief and guilty to the boOOOOOOOOne just go ahead and blame a friend so you won't hang aloOonnnNNNne
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#8580315 - 06/30/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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GREAT NEWS!
"A Harris County grand jury decided today that Joe Horn should not be charged with a crime for shooting two suspected burglars he confronted outside his neighbor's home in Pasadena last fall. Aside from the shooting itself, the national debate revolved around the fact that Ortiz and Torres were illegal immigrants from Colombia. Torres had been sent to prison for dealing cocaine and was deported in 1999."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5864151.html
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#8580446 - 06/30/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I presume you concede the burglars' criminal past is totally irrelevant? I think it certainly is
I think he should definatly have been indicted. Who knows, I might not have convicted. But to say there's no probable cause in this case is a stretch.
I'm all for jury nullification, and may have aquited him at trial, I'd certainly try to find a way how, however; I've seen no evidence he was in any substantial danger or that his conduct was protected by the law, thus, he should have been indicted. I also don't see any reason for the shots.
At least he should have fired warning shots first.
I'm pretty fervent in the right to bear arms and to defend yourself and be afforded the benefit of the doubt in tricky situations, but this situation makes no damn sense at all. Now I don't think he should have been punished as severly as a man in a general case of a shooting, but to say their was no probable cause is silly.
I wonder if the prosecutor really tried to get the indictment? Maybe the jurors will talk....
"Don't hate the player hate the game... ... I wonder which side that protestor was on?

Oh, and.... lol
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: johnm214]
#8580481 - 06/30/08 02:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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johnm214 said:
"Don't hate the player hate the game... ... I wonder which side that protestor was on?


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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#8580500 - 06/30/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#8580521 - 06/30/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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those negros were up to no good, why were they not shot as well
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#8580591 - 06/30/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good lord, that video was disgusting.
Those men were peacefully marching, saying nothing about race, and a few folks were making inane comments.
What does this shit have to do with race? Nothing.
Why were the counter-protestors making racist or race-concious remarks?
I can only conclude there was racist motivations cuz the men marching were predominatly black.
Absolutely disgusting. I would have joined the march if I was there.
Totally sickening the way the people were marching peacefully and the people were shouting "why don't you go to a black neighborhood" "race baiter" "if it wasn't for racism you wouldn't have any money" et cet
I disagree with the comments at the end by the guy talking about "white scholars" et cet, but I think the other comments talking about "white racism" were justified given the evidence in the video.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8580593 - 06/30/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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there could be a lot Joe Horns if McCain upsets Obama and wins the election...
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: johnm214]
#8580606 - 06/30/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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> At least he should have fired warning shots first.
I disagree with you on this. In my mind, there is no such thing as a "warning shot" with a weapon. If you use it, you use it to kill. Period. (And you had better not have used it unless you felt that your life (or that of another) was in immediate danger, if I am the one sitting on the jury.)
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: johnm214]
#8580630 - 06/30/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: What does this shit have to do with race? Nothing.
white man shoots 2 black men, seems that a racist came to protest
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Why were the counter-protestors making racist or race-concious remarks?
seems the other protesters were racists too
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I can only conclude there was racist motivations cuz the men marching were predominatly black.
and a racist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quanell_X
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Absolutely disgusting.
racism is always disgusting, especially when one race is claimed as innocent of racism because of their skin color
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: Seuss]
#8580642 - 06/30/08 03:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seuss said: In my mind, there is no such thing as a "warning shot" with a weapon.
im my mind warning shots equate to 2 in the chest, if you dont heed the warning you get 2 more warnings to the head
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: Prisoner#1]
#8580768 - 06/30/08 04:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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remind me to never try and steal your car.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: lonestar2004]
#8580776 - 06/30/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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reminders are worse than warnings
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: johnm214]
#8586547 - 07/02/08 01:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't watch the whole video, but I have an idea. Pris's comments sum it up pretty well.
I live in Houston and heard Quanell X talk for years. He is blatantly racist in most everything I've heard him say - that Wikipedia page doesn't even scratch the surface. Pretty much I always figured him for a person that hates white people.
Then I bought my house and it just so happens he lives very near me. He works out at the same gym I go to. I can't count how many times I've seen guys, white guys, just recognize him because they saw him on TV and know nothing of his politics. They'll get the usual awe-struck look and approach him to say something like "Hey, aren't you the guy I saw on TV the other day?" They are always intercepted by his handlers, typically HUGE guys, who tell the guys to beat it. The poor guys are always left with a look of utter confusion trying to figure out what just happened when all they wanted to know is was this the guy from TV. The most attention Quanell X gives to white people is a look of disdain. One of the funniest times was when I happened to go to Discount Tire at the same time he was and this redneck guy kept saying "Where do I know you from?" The redneck didn't seem to understand he didn't want to talk. Mr. X was by himself and just kept trying to ignore the guy so he wouldn't have to talk to him.
Now I realize being constantly recognized and approached is one thing, but never have I seen him turn away a black or Hispanic who approached him for the same reason. He always shakes their hands and says it's great to meet them.
It probably doesn't excuse what happened in the video, but if those commenter's knew much about Quanell and his associates, it might explain it.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: HagbardCeline]
#8586557 - 07/02/08 01:20 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think its pretty assanine for prisoner to presume I think a black can't be racist. There's nothing to support that in my post.
While knowing who the guy was might explain the video, I still found the minority of onlookers' statements to be terrible. I would probably have marched with the guy.
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Re: Protesters clash over Pasadena man who shot suspected burglars [Re: johnm214]
#8586588 - 07/02/08 01:35 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Like I said, I didn't watch the whole thing but I have no doubt that those comments were unjustifiable. Most of the time at least Quanell isn't so overt with his racism.
I would probably have marched with the guy.
Unlikely. His New Black Panther Party people wouldn't have allowed it. j/k...maybe
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