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Cracka_X Spiritual Dirt Worshipper Registered: 01/25/03 Posts: 8,808 Loc: Swamp |
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Quote: -------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Oracle Of Delphi I, Phantom Registered: 06/23/02 Posts: 1,135 Loc: State of Disrepa Last seen: 15 years, 4 months |
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I just saw Sicko last night. I heard so much negative "talk" about it. It was very sad to me. I can personally relate to it in my own way.
I just got my Xmas present from work, my jolly xmas lay-off. And I am Legend was the movie they chose to pay for as our gift. at the same time, I managed to get a design job on Mondays,(with full training environment with a professional, not a guy who is Senior Staff at 9 months. A tutoring gig on the weekends,(for $20- $25/hr), and 4 days off. so I'm good. OoD **EDIT** And happy Holidays to all!! Edited by Oracle Of Delphi (12/24/07 08:12 AM)
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wyldeman007 Student Registered: 06/03/06 Posts: 309 Loc: Los Angeles, CA Last seen: 10 months, 25 days |
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Here's some stuff to look at:Who chose Dec. 25th?
And the bit about Constantine: Sol Invictus Either the bible was written to appeal to pagans or the bible was based on pagan worship. That's strong astrological evidence... -------------------- "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins
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Oracle Of Delphi I, Phantom Registered: 06/23/02 Posts: 1,135 Loc: State of Disrepa Last seen: 15 years, 4 months |
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i always thought it was a little of both. and never meant to be read all together, as a single volume.
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MaddenKing081 trippin teddywan Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 83 Loc: Arizona Last seen: 16 years, 2 months |
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Silversoul, You are amazing. I just spent about an hour reading this entire thread and doing a little of my own Google work. I agree a lot with what you said about Part 1. However in my personal belief is religion was designed with the intent of explaining astrology and to help control society.
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wyldeman007 Student Registered: 06/03/06 Posts: 309 Loc: Los Angeles, CA Last seen: 10 months, 25 days |
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On Horus
Battle with Set to avenge Father(6th Paragraph) Imaculate Conseption of Isis (in the 9th paragraph) my computer needs to be restarted -------------------- "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins
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learningtofly Ancient Aliens Registered: 05/21/07 Posts: 15,105 Loc: Out of this worl Last seen: 12 years, 7 months |
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So as far as the religion part, how accurate is it? I ask this because I am not exactly knowledgable on the subject so I can't make an arguement for or against, however I will say that if he's implying God/all that stuff doesnt exist then well that just sucksx100000000000
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wyldeman007 Student Registered: 06/03/06 Posts: 309 Loc: Los Angeles, CA Last seen: 10 months, 25 days |
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I'm back with more links and info..
More on Horus... As far as being a teacher at age 12 and having 12 deciples, all I can say it that a lot of coincedental numerological findings of 12 are common in both the bible and hieroglyphs. Horus age 12 baptized by Anup...(pages 613-614 in "Ancient Egypt - the light of the World..." by Gerald Massey. Similarities that wheren't underlined in Zeitgeist: The Mysteries The miracles The Sem, or mythical representations The parables The Ritual as the book of resurrection The Book of Revelation The sayings of Iu or Iu-em-hetep The Sayings of Jesus Huhi the father in heaven as the eternal, a title of Atum-Ra Ihuh, the father in heaven as the eternal. Ra, the holy spirit God the Holy Ghost. Ra the father of Iu the Su, or son of God, with the hawk or dove as the bird of the holy spirit God, the Father of Jesus, with the dove as the bird of the Holy Spirit. Iu or Horus, the manifesting son of God Jesus the manifesting Son of God. The trinity of Osiris the father, Horus (or Iu) the son, and Isis The Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Iu-Su or Iusa, the coming son of Iusāas, who was great with Iusa or Iusu Jesus. The ever-coming Messu or Child as Egyptian The Hebrew Messianic Child. Horus (or Heru), the Lord by name, as a child Child-Jesus as the Lord by name (Gospels of the Infancy). Meh-Isis, the virgin mother of Iu, her Su or son Mary the virgin mother of Jesus. The first Horus as Child of the Virgin, the second as son of Ra, the father Jesus the Virgin’s child, the Christ as son of the father The first Horus as the founder, the second as fulfiller for the father Jesus as the founder, and the Christ as fulfiller for the father. The two mothers of Child-Horus, Isis and Nephthys, who were two sisters The two mothers of Child-Jesus, who were sisters. Meri or Nut, the mother-heaven Mary as Regina Coeli. The outcast great mother with her seven sons Mary Magdalene, with her seven devils. Isis taken by Horus in adultery with Sut The woman taken in adultery. Apt, the crib or manger, by name as the birthplace and mother in one The manger as cradle of the Child-Christ. Seb, the earth-father, as consort to the virgin Meh Joseph, the father on earth, as putative husband to the Virgin Mary. Seb, the foster-father to Child-Horus Joseph, as foster-father to the Child-Jesus. Seb, Isis and Horus, the Kamite holy trinity Joseph, Mary and Jesus, a Christian holy trinity. Seb, the builder of the house, the carpenter Joseph, the carpenter. Seb, the custodian of the mummied dead Joseph of Arimathea, the keeper of the Corpus Christi. Sut and Horus, the twin opponents Satan and Jesus, the twin opponents. Horus, the sower, and Sut, the destroyer, in the harvest-field J esus, the sower of the good seed, and Satan, the sower of tares. Sut and Horus contending in the desert Satan and Jesus contending in the wilderness. Sut and Horus contending on the Ben-Ben or Pyramidion Satan and Jesus contending on the pinnacle. Horus carried off by Sut to the summit of Mount Hetep Jesus spirited away by Satan into an exceeding high mountain. Sut and Horus contending on the mount Satan and Jesus contending on the mount. Sut undoing the good that Horus does Satan sowing tares by night. S’men, for Khemen, a title of Taht Simeon. S’men, who held Child-Horus in his arms as the young solar god Simeon, who took the Child-Jesus in his arms. Anna or Annit (a title of Hathor), with Taht-S’men Anna, the prophetess, with Simeon. The Petar or Petra by name in Egyptian as Revealer to Horus Peter, the revealer to the Christ. The house of Annu Bethany. The group in the house at Annu The group in the house at Bethany. Horus in Annu Jesus in Bethany. Asar or Osiris Lazarus. The two sisters Mertae The two sisters Mary and Martha. Osiris, whom Horus loved Lazarus, whom Jesus loved. Osiris perfumed for his burial Jesus anointed, when the odour fills the house. Osiris prays that he may be buried speedily Jesus begs that his death may be effected quickly. Osiris prepared for burial under the hair of Hathor-Meri Jesus prepared for his burial beneath the hair of Mary Osiris, who slept in the tomb at Annu Lazarus, who slept in the tomb at Bethany. Osiris raised from the tomb by Horus in Annu Lazarus raised from the tomb at Bethany. The mummy Osiris bidden to come forth by Horus The mummy Lazarus bidden to come forth by Jesus The Great One who does the work of washing Jesus washing the feet of his disciples. The star, as announcer for the Child-Horus The Star in the East that indicated the birthplace of Jesus. The seven Hathors (or cows) who minister to Horus The seven women who minister to Jesus. Anup, the Precursor of Horus John, the forerunner of Jesus the Christ. Anup, the Baptizer John the Baptist. Aan, the saluter of Horus John, the saluter of the Christ. Aan, a name of the divine scribe John, the divine scribe. Hermes, the scribe Hermas, the scribe. Mati, the registrar Matthew, the clerk. Taht, Shu, and black Sut The three kings, or Magi. Nut at the pool of the Persea, or sycamore-tree, as giver of divine drink The woman at the well as giver of the water. Horus born in Annu, the place of bread Jesus born in Bethlehem, the house of bread. The vesture put on Horus by the Goddess Tait The swaddling clothes put on the infant Jesus. Offerings made to the child by the worshippers in Annu Offerings and worship of the Magi. Child-Horus with the head of Ra Child-Jesus with the solar glory round his head. The Bull of Amenta in the place of birth The ox in the birthplace of the Child. The ass, Iu, in the birthplace The ass in the birthplace (catacombs). The lions of the horizon attending upon Horus The lions attending the Child-Christ (pseudo- Matthew). Child-Horus emerging from the Papyrus-reed The Child-Jesus in the catacombs issuing from the Papyrus. Horus, the ancient child The little old Jesus in the catacombs. Horus, the gracious child Jesus, the child full of grace. Horus, one of five brethren Jesus, one of five brothers. Horus, the brother of Sut the betrayer Jesus, the brother of Judas the betrayer. Amsta, the one brother of Horus in the human form James, the human brother of Jesus. The two sisters of Horus The sisters of Jesus. Horus the lad in the country and youth in town Jesus as the child in the country and youth in town. Horus baptized with water by Anup Jesus baptized with water by John. Horus in the tank of flame Jesus the baptizer with fire. Horus in his baptism becoming the beloved Son of God the Father Jesus becoming the Son of God the Father in his baptism. Horus the husbandman with the fan in his hand Christ coming with the fan in his hand. Horus the Good Shepherd, with the crook upon his shoulder Jesus the Good Shepherd, with the lamb or kid upon his shoulder. Horus with the four followers in the Mount Jesus with the four disciples in the Mount. Horus with the seven great spirits in the Mount Jesus with the seven spirits in the Mount (Rev.). Herrut the Apap-reptile, slayer of the younglings in the egg Herod, the murderer of the innocents. Isis commanded to take her child down into Egypt for safety Mary warned to take her Child down into Egypt for safety. Horus as the typical fish Jesus as Ichthus the fish. Horus as the fisher Jesus as the fisher. The four fishers with Horus as founders of the kingdom The four fishers with Jesus as founders of the kingdom. Sebek, the father of the fishers Zebedee, the father of the fishers. Two fisher-brethren, Kabhsenuf and Hapi Two fisher-brethren, Simon and Andrew. Two other fisher-brethren, Amsta and Tuamutef Two other fisher-brethren, James and John. The seven on board the bark with Horus The seven fishers on board the bark with Jesus. The wonderful net of the fishers The miraculous draught of fishes in the net. Horus as the lamb Jesus as the lamb. Horus as the lion Jesus as a lion. Horus (Iu) as the black child Jesus as the little black bambino. Horus as Ahi, the striker with the flabellum Jesus wielding the scourge of cords as the striker. Horus identified with the Tat or Cross Jesus identified with the Cross. The blind Horus, in two characters, as the God and Manes The two blind men of the Gospels. Horus of twelve years Jesus of twelve years. Horus made a man of thirty years in his baptism Jesus, the man of thirty years in his baptism. Horus (Iu), the son of a beetle Jesus, the good Scarabaeus. Horus (or Ra) as the great cat Jesus as the cat. Horus as the shrewmouse The mouse of Jesus dedicated to “Our Lady.” Horus, the healer in the mountain Jesus, the healer in the mountain. Horus as Iusa, the exorcizer of evil spirits as the Word Jesus, the caster out of demons with a word. Osiris as the vine-plant, Aarru Jesus as the vine. Horus, the bringer of the fish and the grapes in Egypt Jesus as bringer of the fish and the grapes (catacombs). Horus, the child standing on two crocodiles which adore him The Christ-Child adored by dragons=crocodiles. Horus, the child of a widow The Child-Christ who lodges with a widow in Egypt. Horus, the child of the widow in Sutenkhen The Child-Christ with the widow in Sotenin (pseudo-Matthew). The golden Horus The corn-complexioned Jesus. Horus full of wine Jesus the wine-bibber. Horus, who gives the water of life Jesus as giver of the water of life. Horus in the lentils and the grain Jesus the bread of life. Horus as Unbu in the bush of thorn Jesus in the crown of thorn. Horus the just and true Jesus the faithful and true. Horus-Mat-Kheru, the Word made truth at the second coming Jesus the spirit of truth at the Second Advent. The human Horus glorified in becoming a (Khu) spirit The spirit not given until Jesus is glorified. The world made through Horus The world made through Jesus. Horus the bridegroom with the bride in Sothis Jesus the bridegroom with the bride. Horus of both sexes Jesus as the bearded Sophia; Charis, the female Christ. Horus who exalteth his father in every sacred place Jesus who exalteth his father in every place. Horus as Remi the weeper Jesus as the weeper. Dumb Horus, or the silent Sekari Jesus silent before his accusers. Horus behaving badly to Isis Jesus speaking brutally to his mother. Horus the gladsome Jesus the jocund. Horus as prince of the divine powers Jesus the prince. Horus the uplifted serpent Jesus uplifted as the serpent. Horus as the Bennu Jesus as the phoenix. Horus who giveth light by means of his own body Jesus the light of the world. Horus the hider of himself as Har-Sheta Jesus the concealer of himself. ..... -------------------- "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins
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wyldeman007 Student Registered: 06/03/06 Posts: 309 Loc: Los Angeles, CA Last seen: 10 months, 25 days |
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...Continued...
Horus the word-made-flesh Jesus the word-made-flesh. Horus the word-made-truth Jesus the doer of the word. Horus in the bosom of Ra Jesus in the bosom of the Father. Horus the Krst Jesus the Christ. Horus the avenger Jesus who brings the sword. Iu-em-hetep who comes with peace Jesus the bringer of peace. Horus called the illegitimate child Jesus called the Mamzer. Horus the afflicted one Jesus the afflicted one. Horus the unique one Jesus the unique one. Horus the lord of resurrections from the house of death Jesus the resurrection and the life. Horus as the type of life eternal Jesus the type of eternal life. Iu (em-hetep) the child-teacher in the temple The Child-Jesus as teacher in the Temple. Child-Horus as sower of the seed Child-Jesus as sower of the seed. Har-Khuti, lord of the harvest Jesus, lord of the harvest. Horus the founder Jesus the founder. Horus the fulfiller Jesus the fulfiller. Horus as master of the words of power Jesus whose word was with power. Horus Ma-kheru Jesus, “the witness unto the truth.” Horus as the lily Jesus typified by the lily. Horus the link Jesus the bond of union. Horus who came to fulfil the law Jesus who comes to fulfil the law. Horus as bearer of the Ankh-symbol of life and the Un-sceptre of resurrection Jesus as the resurrection and the life personified. Horus (or Khunsu) the chaser of boastfulness Jesus the humbler of the proud. Horus of the Second Advent The coming Christ. Horus the hidden force Jesus the concealed. Horus as Kam-Ura, the overflower, and extender of the water illimitably Jesus, giver of the water of life without limit. Horus, who came by the water, the blood and the spirit Jesus, who came by the water, the blood and the spirit. Horus the opener as Unen Jesus the opener with the keys. Horus of the two horizons Jesus of the two lands. Horus as teacher of the living generation Jesus as teacher on the earth. Horus as teacher of the spirits in Amenta Jesus as preacher to the spirits in prison. Horus as teacher on the Atit-bark, with the seven glorious ones on board Jesus the teacher on the boat, also with the seven fishers on board. Horus uttering the words of Ra in the solar bark Jesus uttering the parables on board the boat. Horus walking the water Jesus walking the water. The blind mummy made to see by Horus The blind man given sight by Jesus. Horus and the Hamemmet or younglings of Shu Jesus and the little ones. The children of Horus The children of Jesus. Horus the raiser of the dead Jesus the raiser of the dead. Horus the raiser up of Asar Jesus the raiser up of Lazarus. Horus, who imparts the power of the resurrection to his children Jesus who confers the same power on his followers. Horus entering the mount at sunset to hold converse with his father Jesus entering the mount at sunset to hold converse with his father. Horus one with the father Jesus one with his father. Horus transfigured on the mount Jesus transfigured on the mount. Amsu-Horus in his resurrection as a Sahu- mummy Jesus rising again corporeally or incorporated. The blood of Isis The issue of blood suffered by the woman. The field manured with blood in Tattu Aceldama. The mummy-bandage that was woven without seam The vesture of the Christ without a seam. Seven souls of Ra the Holy Spirit Seven gifts of the Holy Spirit. Seven hawks of Ra the Holy Spirit Seven doves of the Holy Spirit. Seven loaves of Horus for feeding the multitude reposing in the green fields of Annu Seven loaves of Jesus for feeding the multitude reclining on the grass. Twelve followers of Har-Khuti Twelve followers of Jesus, as the twelve disciples. Horus with the twelve in the field of divine harvest Jesus with the twelve in the harvest-field. The twelve who reap for Horus The twelve who reap for Jesus. Horus as the intercessor Jesus as the paraclete. Horus as the great judge Jesus as the great judge. The judgment of the righteous, who are the sheep of Horus, the good shepherd Judgment of the righteous, who are the sheep of Jesus the Good Shepherd. The judgment of the guilty, who are the goats of Sut Judgment of the wicked, who are the goats of Satan. Horus parting off the evil dead Jesus parting off the accursed. The condemned spirits entering the swine The evil spirits entering the swine. The glorious ones that wait on Horus The angels that minister unto Jesus. Horus ascending to heaven from Bakhu, the Mount of the olive tree Jesus ascending to heaven from Mount Olivet. The revelation of Horus, given by Ra, his father, to make known the mysteries of divine things to his followers The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him to show unto his servants. The revelation written down by Aan (Tehuti), the scribe of divine words The Revelation written by John the divine. The saluter Aani, who bears witness to the word of Ra and to the testimony of Horus John, who bears witness to the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. The secret of the Mysteries revealed by Taht-Aan The secret of the Mysteries made known by John. The books in Annu The book of doom and the book of life in Patmos. The books and their bringer The book and its opener. Seven dungeon-seals The book with seven seals. The great mother Apt, the pregnant water-cow The woman sitting on the waters. The crocodile as great mother The dragon as great mother. The great mother as Hathor, the abode The woman that was the great city personalized. The great or enceinte mother in her lunar character The woman arrayed with the sun about to bring forth the child Isis, who brought forth Horus in the marshes The woman who brought forth in the wilderness. Isis pursued by the great crocodile The woman persecuted by the dragon. Isis, hawk-winged The woman with eagle’s wings. The bride as Hathor-Isis, with the calf or lamb upon the mount of glory The bride as the lamb’s wife upon the mount. Atum-Huhi, the closer and the opener of Amenta Ihuh, who carries the keys of death and Hades as closer and opener. Atum-Ra, the holy spirit The spirit. Hathor-Iusāas the bride, with Horus the lamb (or earlier calf) upon the mount The bride with the lamb upon the mount. Anup and Aan, the two witnesses for Horus The two Johns as witnesses for Jesus. The seven Khuti or glorious ones The seven spirits of God. Horus, with the seven Khabsu stars, or gods of the lamp Jesus in the midst of the seven golden lamp- stands. Sebek-Horus the lamb on the mount Jesus the lamb on the mount. Horus the morning star Jesus the morning star. Horus, who gives the morning star to his followers Jesus, who gives the morning star to his followers. The Har-Seshu, or servants of Horus The servants of Jesus Christ. The seven spirits of fire around the throne of Ra The seven spirits of fire before the throne. The fathers, or the ancient ones The four-and-twenty elders. The four corner-keepers The four living creatures at the four corners. The solar god of golden form The form with feet like unto burnished brass, and countenance as of the sun. Iu the son of man (or Atum) Jesus the son of man. Horus as the first-born from the dead Jesus the Christ as first-born of those that slept. Horus in the house of a thousand years The Millennial reign of Jesus. Sebek the solar dragon The scarlet-coloured beast with seven heads. Seven souls or powers of Ra Seven heads of the solar dragon. The eighth to the seven The eighth to the seven. Ten Tata-gods or powers The ten horns or kings. The war in heaven The war in heaven. Har-Tema as the avenger, the red god who orders the block of execution The word of God, faithful and true, with raiment dipped in blood. Har-Makhu Michael the Archangel. Sut the accuser Satan the accuser. Sut and Horus Christ and the Anti-Christ. The celestial Heptanomis The seven mountains of earth or islands in the sea. The seven children of the old earth-mother The seven kings of the earth. Horus at the head of the seven Jesus at the head of the seven. The last judgment The last judgment. The mount of glory The throne set in heaven on the mount. The mount as judgment-seat The mount as throne of the Great Judge. The lion-faced throne of steel The great white throne. The great judge seated on his throne The Great Judge on the judgment-seat. The god in lion form The god who is the lion of the Tribe of Judah. The god in the solar disc The god with the sun-like countenance. The god whose dazzling mouth sends forth breezes of flame The god from whose mouth proceeded the two-edged sword. Osiris-Tat, the sufferer in the Lower Egypt of Amenta The Lord who was crucified in Egypt. The Apap-reptile, the serpent of evil Abaddon, Apollyon, or Satan, that old serpent. Apap, the power of evil in the Abyss Abaddon or Apollyon, the angel of the Abyss. The binding of Apap in chains and casting the beast into the Abyss The binding of the dragon, that old serpent, and casting him into the Pit. Apap and Sut bound in chains and cast into the Abyss The Devil and Satan bound in a great chain and cast into the Pit. The Ankh-key of life and the Un-symbol of the resurrection The keys of death and Hades in the hands of the opener. The first resurrection and the second death in Amenta The first resurrection and the second death. The Lake of Putrata where the lost souls fall headlong into everlasting night The lake of the second death. The beatified in their white garments of glory The beatified spirits arrayed in white. The name of Ra on the head of the deceased The name of the Father written on the forehead. The little column of white stone given as a talisman to the initiates The white stone given to the initiated. The mount of the double earth in Hetep The mountain great and high. The eternal city at the summit The Holy City. The water of life as lake or river The river of the water of life. The two divine sycamores over the water of life The tree of life on either side of the water of life. The water of life proceeding from the throne of Osiris. The water of life proceeding from the throne of God. The great lake in Hetep upon which the gods and glorified alight The glassy sea on which the victors stand triumphant. The great white lake of Sa The sea of crystal. The calf (later lamb) of Horus standing on the mount with Hathor bearing the bride The lamb standing on Mount Zion with the bride. The lunar goddess Hathor bearing the solar orb The woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon at her feet. The glorified in Hetep stoled and girdled and crowned The angels girt about the breasts with golden girdles. The emerald dawn around the mount or throne of Ra The rainbow like an emerald round the throne. The Ba enclosure of Aarru, in twelve measures The walled enclosure of the New Jerusalem, in twelve measures. Heaven according to the measure of a man Heaven according to the measure of a man. The paradise of the pole-star The Holy City lighted by one luminary that is neither the sun nor the moon=the pole-star. The ark of Osiris-Ra The Ark of the New Covenant in heaven. -------------------------------- On to other Dieties... The Virgin birth of Krishna is alittle hairy but, It was said that as a fetus he was tranferred magically to Devaki's womb as her 8th child and Vasudeva infact wasn't Krishna's biological father... The Star known as 'Rohini' is refered to as a deer, under the direct supervision of Brahma a member of the hindu Trinity. This source of hindu myths then goes on to say that Brahma pierces Rohini with an arrow. (Brahma being the hunter in the east: Orion.) Krishna was the 8th Avatar of Vishnu and while he wasn't 'resurrected' from death he for sure ascended... in my book thats close enough for me.. -------------------------------- The "M" shape of virgo was ignorant.. and it was probaly added for effect for a number of people. Or as an example of religions speculative nature?? No argument there though. Bethelhem really does mean"house of bread" and isn't it resonable to believe that the city was founded and named, based on that? As for the "prophecy" of the Messiah being born there, Jews don't believe that it was Jesus Christ. Since the Old Testement is based on Judeism, isn't that a red light? There's actually no archeological evidence of Egyptions owning slaves, they were actually Egyption townsfolk who received benefits from reduced taxes in exchange for manual labor. In all the hieroglyphs to date there are no connections of Jews being slaves of Egyptions. Draw your own conclusions as I have, religion is speculative and NOT reliable. I base my findings on both Primary and Secondary sources containing facts. Religion, the Bible, the Koran, the Torah etc.. aren't archeological accounts, they aren't secondary sources even, from a scientific standpoint they are heresay evidence and have no merit. -------------------- "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins
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Silversoul Rhizome Registered: 01/01/05 Posts: 23,576 Loc: The Barricades |
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I don't have the time or patience to address all of these, but the fact that certain titles are shared does not make someone's life fictional. That whole list is pretty much meaningless.
As for some of the other points: Quote: Close enough? Ascension is such a common theme throughout the world's religions that two compare two religious figures based on this similarity is essentially meaningless. Quote: I'm not disputing the meaning of the name "Bethlehem." I'm just saying that because it's a real place in Israel, it's more likely that the Gospel writers were referring to that city, and not some constellation. As for whether or not the Jews believed Jesus to be the messiah, the earliest Christians were Jews. Most Jews, however, expected the messiah to be some military figure who would overthrow their oppressors. For this reason, many more Jews later accepted Simon Bar Kokhba as their messiah, before his revolt was crushed by the Romans. Quote: The most recent theory I've heard is that they were similar to draftees: paid, but still forced to work. Quote: They are not reliable in and of themselves, but many archaeologists have found archaeological sites using the Bible as a guide, so it's a bit arrogant to say it has "no merit." --------------------
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wyldeman007 Student Registered: 06/03/06 Posts: 309 Loc: Los Angeles, CA Last seen: 10 months, 25 days |
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Fair enough.. we've come to a conclusion and sorry if I sound arrogant but my views lie in the Spiritual not religous. Coming from different backgrounds I can see that you are more religous than me. I do respect you Silversoul... as you listen, some others on this site are immature and on top of that close minded. Are you satisfied with this thread? I sure am. I'll be returing to college soon, back from a 4 year hiatus. I used this as 'fuel for thought'.
-------------------- "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins
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Silversoul Rhizome Registered: 01/01/05 Posts: 23,576 Loc: The Barricades |
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It's been a wonderful debate. However, although I do tend to have a more sympathetic view of religion than many people on here, don't think that my arguments are based on my personal religiosity(I tend to identify myself more in the "spiritual" category). My arguments are based on a distaste for oversimplification. I simply think religion is too complex to be pegged down as mere "astrotheology," as the makers of Zeitgeist would have you believe. It's been great discussing this with you.
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BlueCoyote Beyond Registered: 05/07/04 Posts: 6,697 Loc: Between Last seen: 3 years, 2 months |
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As I am quite pagan oriented, I really enjoy the explanations of zeitgeist and also see the similarities to the ancient views of the sun and the many religions on earth. Even if they are perhaps not 100% correctly represented in the video, they clearly mark a (I tend to say 'THE') tendency and that is worth for more exploration and no short rebuttal.
All in all it resonates well within me and wyldeman007 did an awesome good job, too. It's good to push everything into question, even the question itself So my respect goes to all of you and the movie itself What follows the age of information ? The age of questions ! --------------------
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Silversoul Rhizome Registered: 01/01/05 Posts: 23,576 Loc: The Barricades |
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I'm not disparaging paganism either. I definitely think that Christianity and Judaism were influenced by the other religions around them just as any religion is influenced by other religions. Is there pagan influence in Christianity, including the way we perceive Christ? You bet. Does that mean Jesus was fictional? Not at all.
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BlueCoyote Beyond Registered: 05/07/04 Posts: 6,697 Loc: Between Last seen: 3 years, 2 months |
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Ah thank you. Now I see where you set the borderline. Did this movie really assume that Jesus Christ is absolute fictional ?
Maybe I missed that point For me it pointed out, that there ever were many people in every part of history who were supposed to fulfill the attributes of what a g*dly representation demands. Which makes them avatar or Messiahs or whatever this may be called through (their contextual) religion. There, fiction and truth mix. All belongs to context, as the main focus belongs to g*d, not merely g*d's' representation(s) --------------------
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Middleman Registered: 07/11/99 Posts: 8,399 |
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Nice link to Massey's book, it would have been nice if he gave more references to the actual Egyptian texts.
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Silversoul Rhizome Registered: 01/01/05 Posts: 23,576 Loc: The Barricades |
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I did encounter an interesting phenomenon the other day. I was searching for Zeitgeist rebuttals, and found several refuting the first part like I did, a couple refuting the second part about 9/11, and nothing refuting the third part about the federal reserve. My guess is that's because so few people understand banking, but anyway, I thought it was interesting.
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Middleman Registered: 07/11/99 Posts: 8,399 |
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I thought he third part was the most solid, except for that campy Love vs. Fear fluff at the end.
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Disco Cat iS A PoiNdexteR Registered: 09/15/00 Posts: 2,601 |
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Quote: Or, you haven't got some data right. Regardless of whoever chose Dec 25th, they did so long after all the scriptures in the bible had been written, and so the sentence "Either the bible was written to appeal to pagans or the bible was based on pagan worship" is unfounded and meaningless. Constantine would have had nothing to do with writing the bible, having lived a few centuries after the latest included scriptures were written. Constantine also converted to Christianity in his life, but had originally worshipped the Roman sun-god (named Sol). When he decreed dies Solis as a day of rest he did so to a Roman population who did not share his Christian religion. His motive for announcing a day of rest probably comes from his conversion and the Christian/Judaistic day of rest, while the name of it appeals to the Roman population. Christianity had only just been legalized in 313, and Chrstians made up only a quarter of the Roman empire at this time. Obviously there wouldn't be a national day named against the satisfaction of 3/4 of the population. It should be remembered Constantine wasn't trying to mold astrology into Christianity, but was trying to move Christianity into a Roman society. "If it is called 'day of the sun' by the pagans, we willingly accept this name, for on this day the Light of the world arose, on this day the Sun of Justice shone forth." - Saint Jerome Edited by Disco Cat (01/08/08 10:55 PM)
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Disco Cat iS A PoiNdexteR Registered: 09/15/00 Posts: 2,601 |
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Quote: Crystalinks is a new-age paranormal, extraterrestrial, astrological center of mumbo-jumbo - not where you want to be researching history or looking for serious answers to anything. A good indicator of something being nonsense is that you find it on Crystalinks. Gerald Massey, who became an ancient egypt hobbyist in his 40's, was a new-ager, and a druid - not an egyptologist. He invented ideas using a self-taught ability to read hieroglyphs. His book and work is not recognized by egpytologists. I have read that his book was submitted and consequently rejected from over a dozen egyptologists. I advise verifying long lists of data before posting them. Whether it's one detail or a thousand details, if they're false they're useless when it comes to making a point. This whole list appears ridiculously fallacious, as these few random selections ought to demonstrate: Quote: Osiris is Horus' dad, and that he loved him is uneventful. Lazarus is not Jesus' dad, and Jesus loved a lot of people, not most of all Lazarus. John is most often said to be "the one Jesus loved," but that doesn't provide any significance for this point. Quote: Isis isn't a virgin, not in any egyptian record anywhere. Meh also isn't a part of her name. Quote: "Earth-father" is a twisting of words to make a parallel. Seb is the spirit of the Earth, not "Earth-father." Zero comparison. Now who is the virgin Meh? Quote: "Mother-heaven" is another twisting of words. Nut is the sky goddess, not "mother-heaven." Her name literally means "Night." Further, there is no character named Meri in egyptian mythology, Achaya invented this idea, and when called to supply backing for it failed to do so. It's just something she pulled out of thin air. Meri is an egyptian word which denotes that something or someone is loved. For example, "Mut-Nefertari-Meri" means "Nefertari, beloved of Mut." Ta-Meri is the ancient name of Egypt, which means "beloved land." "Anen Meri" means "to bring back love." Egyptian rulers had Meri on the end of their name to suggest that they were beloved by their people. Meri is the name of no-one, not Isis, and not Nut. Quote: What does this mean? Mary was not taken in adultery by anyone, and there are many cases of adultery throughout the bible. Really, what's the comparison? And that's how all these comparisons are, one after another, they're all empty gibberish - not even halfway sensible. Their sensationalistic ploys meant to prey on those who don't know better. Acharya S is a sensationalistic new-ager, not an egyptologist, and she is better left ignored than listened to. Edited by Disco Cat (01/08/08 11:00 PM)
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