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why peyton manning > tom brady
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manning's 2nd td pass at around 1:20 in this video
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d804b7c5c
amazing throw! it comes out so fast you wouldn't think he would have so much zip and accuracy to it. lets see tom brady make that throw.
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Idk i would say brady's better. Manning is impressive even without harrison but look at brady's games. The guy is just unreel.
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Manning, eventually he will own ALL the records.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: lonestar2004]
#7711723 - 12/03/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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please....
brady > manning
now and forever
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: deadHead321]
#7711784 - 12/03/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hope the Ravens break Tom Brady's leg tonight =
Dallas Cowboys 2008 Superbowl Champs!
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: lonestar2004]
#7711803 - 12/03/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Even if that happens and the Pats dont make it to the superbowl, id say the top 3-4 AFC teams would beat the top 2 NFC teams anyday. The NFC is weak.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7711884 - 12/03/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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New england > Cowboys
Colts (they are getting healthy) > Boys
Who else? (BTW our health is improving)
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: lonestar2004]
#7712210 - 12/03/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Id say the Jags, Chargers, Seattle, Browns, and Stealers would all beat Cowboys and Greenbay in the Superbowl.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7712564 - 12/03/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Id say the Jags, Chargers, Seattle, Browns, and Stealers would all beat Cowboys and Greenbay in the Superbowl.
The Jags, Chargers, Seattle, Browns, Steelers would all beat Dallas in the super bowl!
you're on crack!
BTW Seattle is in the NFC....
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brady > manning
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7712641 - 12/03/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Id say the Jags, Chargers, Seattle, Browns, and Stealers would all beat Cowboys and Greenbay in the Superbowl.

That's so inane on so many levels. Not only is Pitt the only team of of that group that would beat either of them, but Seattle is in the NFC (and sucks).
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
#7713268 - 12/03/07 10:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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give Jacksonville some love i agree with the pitt statement
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
#7713571 - 12/03/07 11:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My bad on the Seattle... I was naming all the teams I think would beat them.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7717308 - 12/04/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Brady will have the stronger Legacy, obviously.
If he wins the superbowl again this year, nobody can deny his place amongst the all time greats.
Manning may be a bigger producer, and sometimes he looks amazing. But Brady has always been clutch, look at how many 4th quarter drives he pulled off in ALL THREE SUPER BOWLS.
But to put one over the other, is like trying to rank artists. Each has their own way of doing it.
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Brady has seemingly limitless abilities in the "intangibles" department, which is what really matters in a QB.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: deadHead321]
#7740023 - 12/10/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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deadHead321 said: please....
brady > manning
now and forever
i disagree.
they are both incredible. id say that they are interchangeable. it really doesnt matter which one is playing. You could put Brady on the Colts and Manning on the Pats and both teams would still be the same in terms of success.
I am excited to see their rivalry play out over their careers.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7740292 - 12/10/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I consider the Superbowl another stat for Brady. He hasnt gotten them to the Superbowl. They had Correy Dillon (sp?) get them there. Brady has been good in those seasons but Dillon was the LT of that team during that time. Without him they wouldnt have made it there.
But, I dont think superbowl victories determine how good a QB is. Chicago made it to the Superbowl, does that mean Rex Grossman is good?
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7740605 - 12/10/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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LiquidSmoke you pose a good point, however if you had to choose one to build a team around who would it be?
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7741877 - 12/10/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Chicago also didn't have a SB victory. SB victories MIGHT not indicate a talented QB, but SB MVP awards do, which Brady has two of. The third MVP went to a WR who, guess what, wouldn't have won it without Brady throwing him the ball.
2005: 23-33, 236 yards, 2tds, 0 ints 2004: 32-48, 354 yards, 3 tds, 1 int 2002: 16-27, 145 yards, 1td, 0 ints
6td's, 1 int in his SB career. Not too shabby. He also attended the pro bowl in 2001, 2004, and 2005. Obviously he'll be going back this year as well.
Dillon got them to the SB? Bullshit. He wasn't even on the Patriots during their 1st SB and had less than 800 yards during the season of their final SB. The middle SB is a better case for you, as it was the best year of his career.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
#7743819 - 12/11/07 04:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tom Brady was not the factor in their Superbowl seasons (with the exception of this one if they go). Peyton Manning is a more important QB than Brady. Thats why the colts HAVE to get around 30TDs in a season through the air, its their only weapon.
Hopefully Addai continues to get better.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7743840 - 12/11/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tom Brady was not the factor in their Superbowl seasons (with the exception of this one if they go).
What is your evidence for this? Simply saying so doesn't make it true.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7744049 - 12/11/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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true and does nobody think the colts are going to beat the patrots... cmon now
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7744276 - 12/11/07 09:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i have to admit i didnt think brady had as strong of an arm as he does but after this i am convinced.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d804f0f8b
i still think manning has a faster release though.
but really i guess its all moot point who is better.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
#7745204 - 12/11/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Look at the stats.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
#7745252 - 12/11/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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your sports knowledge is Sooooooooooo much better than your Political smarts. 
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: lonestar2004]
#7745300 - 12/11/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: your sports knowledge is Sooooooooooo much better than your Political smarts. 
says the person who supports Ron Paul
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7745351 - 12/11/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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No more IRS, Drug Laws, UN.....
One Can Only Dream.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7745947 - 12/11/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Look at the stats.
You made the statement, so you provide the stats. I'm not going to do your homework for you. Put up or shut up.
Obviously he was an elite QB during the 2004 and 2005 SB's, b/c he went to the Pro Bowl as well.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
#7747789 - 12/12/07 12:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Philip Rivers went to the Pro-Bowl... its a flawed system.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7748057 - 12/12/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Still absolutely no evidence. Give me proof that "Tom Brady was not the factor in their Superbowl seasons".
I'm starting to think you have no clue what youre talking about.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
#7748693 - 12/12/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Redstorm said: Still absolutely no evidence. Give me proof that "Tom Brady was not the factor in their Superbowl seasons".
I'm starting to think you have no clue what youre talking about.
Those Superbowls were aaallll Matt Lyte.
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relativexistance said: LiquidSmoke you pose a good point, however if you had to choose one to build a team around who would it be?
It would have to be Brady.
for the same reason i'd pick Montana over Marino
because they showed up when it mattered the most. Clutch is always more important than stats.
Brady managed to win 3 superbowls, with a pretty mediocre recieving core. Manning's had some pretty talented recievers in Reggie Wayne, Harrison, Stokley, Clark.
Only as of recent has Brady had a quality recieving core. If Brady had Harrison and Reggie Wayne to throw to, who knows how many SB's he would've won by now.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7749578 - 12/12/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree that Brady can win the big games, that is a quality Manning lacks most of the time. However, I still say Manning is a better QB overall.
Like I keep saying, look at the stats if you dont think Manning is a better QB overall. SB's are just another stat and a stat that doesnt reflect a single players ability but the ability of the team as a whole. I think the Pats have had the better team, no doubt, thats how they won SuperBowls... but on an individual level Manning is better.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7749667 - 12/12/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I stopped reading your post once you said SB's are "just another stat"
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7749716 - 12/12/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is. Once the superbowl is over its a stat. Thas why Favre's Superbowl win isnt relevant. His MVP's arent either. They are just another stat on his resume.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7750230 - 12/12/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You keep dancing around your arguments. It's getting fucking pitiful. Show me (with evidence) that Brady wasn't the factor in their SB seasons.
And don't say "look at the stats". Even when I did just look at the stats, it doesn't back up your argument. I'll give this one last chance and then just take it for granted that you have absolutely no legitimate point.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
#7752176 - 12/13/07 12:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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he's just a bitter chargers fan who denies his own bias.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
#7752461 - 12/13/07 02:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My main thesis (along with the thread) is that Peyton Manning is a better quarterback. I (please note the word I) dont think Brady was the biggest factor in the superbowl victories. This season Brady is the biggest factor on the team especially because they have little running game.
I dont need to do your homework. You can easily go to NFL.com and see the difference in stats from Brady's previous seasons to the current season. You really shouldnt have to look it up since we all know Brady is godly this season. Peyton has out matched Brady in virtually every other season. Therefore, Manning is a better quarterback as it stands right now.
My opinion, get over it.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
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It's not my homework, it's yours. You obviously do not understand that when you make a claim, you are the one who is supposed to back it up. You never said anything about comparing Brady earlier in his career to now. All you said is that Brady wasn't the factor that led to their previous Superbowls.
If it wasn't him, then who was it?
You fail.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: lonestar2004]
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lonestar2004 said: Manning, eventually he will own ALL the records.
Brady is on pace to get 55-60 passing touchdowns this season... If that happens you can be assured nobody, not even manning will touch it. That record if it happens may in fact be never broken by another football player ever again.
I love Peyton, he is a joy to watch play football, but Brady is a more efficient quarterback. He may have more self-restraint, and may be better under pressure than manning. And he has 3 superbowl rings... with a fourth possibly on its way.
And to people who say a quarterback isnt heavily responsible for his teams part in attaining a superbowl ring, let me tell you, very few teams with a shitty quarterback would ever make it to the superbowl, let alone win the damn thing. But his team deserves much credit as well...
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
#7753602 - 12/13/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It wasnt Brady against 11 Defensive players. Like I said, the superbowl is a team stat. The team won, brady was part of the team and he contributed but he didnt win them all those games. I still think their running game got them there. And it isnt my homework, I make claims after looking at stats not before. Frankly, I dont have the time during the week to go copy and paste every stat that supports my opinion.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7754135 - 12/13/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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AaronEvil said: I still think their running game got them there. And it isnt my homework, I make claims after looking at stats not before.
Yes, since you know, the game clinching drives against the Eagles, Rams, and Panthers, were all using the rush, right?
Do you even realize how often Brady passed during the 4th quarter game-winning drives in ALL THREE super bowls?
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7754699 - 12/13/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course he doesn't because then he would have to accept facts that go against his preconceived notions of why they won.
Notice how he makes an assertion and then doesn't back it up with any facts? It's typical.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
#7754981 - 12/13/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here, this thread is for you
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=86&Number=7542581&page=0&fpart=1
notice how he can't even back his initial claims so he diverts his original points into various far-fetched explanations here's some good excerpts:
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Because a record obviously shows how good a team is as a whole. I hope you dont honestly believe that. If you do, I will stop arguing. But look at the players on the teams not the record.
Here's the real cherry on the top
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They had a couple good wins but most of the teams they have played are mediocre.
Indy beats New England
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I think the 14-2 season the Chargers has last year was more impressive than the Pats, Dallas, and Greenbay records this year. The Chargers actually had to play tough teams last season.
But once i call him out on the facts, he diverts to this:
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The Pats ARE better than the Chargers and Baltimore of last season, but the records of both those teams WERE more impressive to me considering the mediocre players both teams has in many possitions.
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I stand by my statement that the Pats will not make it to the AFC Championship game and they will hopefully lose this weekend.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#7757193 - 12/14/07 03:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by AaronEvil (12/14/07 01:41 PM)
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7757608 - 12/14/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whoa.. deja vu
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7784916 - 12/21/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have been watching Manning since he played for the Tennessee Vols. To be honest, I think he is a better QB than Brady because of the way he can read defenses. That being said, I think that the Patriots have an all around better team. Brady is a good QB but his team completes the package. I am a big Manning fan but I would take a great TEAM(patriots) over a phenomenal player(manning) any day. Just to make it clear, I am not saying the colts don't have good players because they do. I just think the Pats are a better balanced team. Thats just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions? Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one, lol.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: castle212]
#7786551 - 12/21/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree, you do have an asshole.
Thats what I have been saying as well, only I put it in terms of Brady's season being incredible due to the fact his team as a whole is great. He isnt the greatest to ever play the game though. Manning might not be either, but I think Manning is better than Tom Brady.
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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
#7788646 - 12/22/07 11:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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im gonna have to agree with you on that one
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