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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#7711881 - 12/03/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you know what "pork" is? "Pork" is what you put into bills to send money for bullshit projects in your own district. Paul does it. A lot of his anti-spending votes are symbolic, i.e. of zero consequence, because the result is clear. He plays the retard in the corner fingering his navel because nobody gives a fuck, he is inconsequential.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7711908 - 12/03/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Even if he did appropriate sums of money for pork projects would he be any different from the other candidates running? How is this relevant?
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7711973 - 12/03/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Well, I see you turkeys managed to keep this on topic quite nicely. I think an independent Ron Paul run will be quite harmful for the Dems. Look at his champs here. They hate Republicans and would normally hold their noses and vote for whatever Democrat came out. Now they have this delicious maverick that they think can make a difference. Go for it.
Paul does what he says, huh? He's as guilty of piling on the pork as anybody else.
He does earmark pork for his constituents. When it comes to a vote, he votes NO on it. His constituents keep re-electing him anyway.
BTW, I would equally hold my nose registering with the democrat party. I use to vote Green, remember?
Paul's break down of supporters runs about
20% Republican 20% Democrats 30% 3 parties and Independents 20% New voters registering with a party for the first time.
Hard to say who he would spoil it for becoming elected President as an Independent.
By next summer, I think a lot of democratic voters are going to wake up to the reality that the Dem front runners have no serious intentions of getting us out of Iraq. They will also have more time to get a load of their not so free free health care plans. By next summer, I think more conservatives are going to get tired of the wars, more dead, injured, deserting and suicidal soldiers, the lies and the out of control spending on nation building.
I'd say he will steal equally from both as he took the win as an independent "hypothetically speaking of course.
Paul's supporters will be there for their states primaries and day by day, we are taking over local GOPs and getting our delegates signed up, stocked up and ready to roll for the national convention, where the Republican Party nominee will be decided.
My husband is at a REC meeting as we speak. He and I are also now looking into becoming delegates.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7712118 - 12/03/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Do you know what "pork" is? "Pork" is what you put into bills to send money for bullshit projects in your own district. Paul does it. A lot of his anti-spending votes are symbolic, i.e. of zero consequence, because the result is clear. He plays the retard in the corner fingering his navel because nobody gives a fuck, he is inconsequential.
Eh well we can't all be perfect
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: BrAiN]
#7712246 - 12/03/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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BrAiN said:
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zappaisgod said: Do you know what "pork" is? "Pork" is what you put into bills to send money for bullshit projects in your own district. Paul does it. A lot of his anti-spending votes are symbolic, i.e. of zero consequence, because the result is clear. He plays the retard in the corner fingering his navel because nobody gives a fuck, he is inconsequential.
Eh well we can't all be perfect
Apparently, Zappa would prefer that Paul voted yes, to spend the money on the earmark for the bullshit project? 
Will you please start making some sense on this one Zappa. Do you want Paul voting yes to spend money on Bullshit or no?
It's his job as a congressmen to earmark for his constituents. If congress and the Senate think the earmarks are worthy, they will pass. That is how it works.
Paul votes not to spend the money on pork every time. His constituents in his district keep electing him.
They like it that RP has the balls to send the message to Washington for them, "QUIT spending our hard earned tax dollars on BULLSHIT that only a few benefit from!!!"
That is unlike those in Congress who accept lobby money for earmarking, then voting yes to spend on BS, so that only a few benefit from our taxes while others get screwed out of them.
Paul sees it all as, theft through taxing and government subsidation of the private sector, which interferes with free market competition and he is against that!
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7712267 - 12/03/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh no! Now that you brought this to my attention I see how evil Ron Paul really is. Thank you oh great zappa for showing me the light. 
Do you honestly think people fall for your crap? The only thing inconsequential about Ron Paul is the pathetic attempts used to discredit him by paid shrills like you.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7712280 - 12/03/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Paid shrill?"
Paul is a phony. He votes no on the same bills he lards with pork.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7712363 - 12/03/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i read that article and it seems to me that ron paul is more honest than mitt "the flip flop" romney, rudy "i just got another divorce" guliani, hillary "lets start a dynasty" clinton, and Barrack "i contain no substantive platform" obama. ron paul is easily a spoiler for any of the above in an election.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7712365 - 12/03/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: "Paid shrill?"
Paul is a phony. He votes no on the same bills he lards with pork.
How many times do you have to reminded that earmarking is his job as a Congressional District Representative. He gets paid by the state to do that for his district constituents, that ask for the ear marks.
Calling him a phony for earmarking pork, which he openly has no intentions of helping the spending to get passed through, is like calling a buss driver a phony for driving their route even though they have no intention of driving recklessly and don't do it either.
Your accusations on this one are making zero sense Zappa. They are made of straw, lack of further research on how he voted on the bills, filled with cheap shot sound bites you picked up from old bloggers trying to attack him whom only gave half of the story banking no one would look into the voting record of his earmarks further.
It's all been debunked, like every other lame half assed attempt to attack Paul. His record of honoring his oath to serve his constituents under Constitutional law is impeccable and so is his 72 year of life. He walks his talk and it's impossible to find dirt on him.
Beleive me, I looked long and hard before I could stomache registering with the Republican party, which I only did a few weeks ago.
The best anyone can do is simply disagree with him on his positions, which is the same as disagreeing with parts of the U.S. Constitution.
Anyone who takes an oath to honor and protect the Consitution, and works against it is a traitor to this country.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: SlashOZ]
#7712713 - 12/03/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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SlashOZ said: i read that article and it seems to me that ron paul is more honest than mitt "the flip flop" romney, rudy "i just got another divorce" guliani, hillary "lets start a dynasty" clinton, and Barrack "i contain no substantive platform" obama. ron paul is easily a spoiler for any of the above in an election.
Well, im gonna have to agree on this point of view.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7713897 - 12/04/07 02:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is pretty much the most impressive resume for any Congressmen in the past twenty-thirty years, as far as I know.
I know that he has expressed feeling sympathy for his constituents, and a small occasion of voting on delivering some of their hard-earned money back to them in one year doesn't seem to out of order.
Clearly, your statement that he is as guilty of piling on the pork as anyone else is ridiculuous. Also, I don't necessarily think that people here hate Republicans, but rather that they hate neoconservatives. Ron Paul is a great representative of what it at one time meant to be a Republican, which is why so many people here resonate with him. Of course, yes, I'd say he'll take more away from the other Republican candidates if he were to run for president as an Independent.
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Your accusations on this one are making zero sense Zappa
Welcome to zappaworld, almost nothing he says ever makes sense unless you view it in the light of a paid neo-con forum troll.
I often think about ignoring him so I can spare my eyes the bullshit but I do find it entertaining from time to time coming here and getting a good laugh. Phred is at least more professional about his agenda.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7715093 - 12/04/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your accusations on this one are making zero sense Zappa
Welcome to zappaworld, almost nothing he says ever makes sense unless you view it in the light of a paid neo-con forum troll.
I often think about ignoring him so I can spare my eyes the bullshit but I do find it entertaining from time to time coming here and getting a good laugh. Phred is at least more professional about his agenda.
Why don't ya'll take your collaberations and musings to private message or off-topic discussion? If this forum didn't have people like zappa w/ contrary viewpoints, i.e. if it just had you two, I wouldn't even be here, and probably neither would others.
If you just want to listen to your own echo, go somewhere else.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: johnm214]
#7715432 - 12/04/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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John,
Rosetta has spent his/her fair share of time being a minority voice here. During that time, he/she got ganged up on as well.
This forum cycles enough around diverse topics that everyone finds themselves in and out of majority and minority points of view.
Zappa needs to be called on his confusing stance here.
First he warns us that Paul will blow our money on Pork like all the rest.
Then, when confronted with the facts of the earmarks and how he votes no on the spending, Zappa says he is as useful as a guy in the corner playing with his belly button.
Which is it that he wants to see?
Ron Paul has had the nick name of Dr. No in D.C. because they pretty much count on him to vote No to spending bills.
All the while, Zappa's candidate the Ghoul, went as far as to the supreme court, to have line item vetos deemed unconstitutional, just so his FAT ASS PORK spending for NYC could get pushed through.
Where is the Ghoul giving a rats ass about what is unconstituional when it comes to the Patriot Act or gun regulation, to name a few unconstitutional bills he supports?
Zappa deserves to be in the hot seat for attempting to accuse Paul aka Dr. No on the hill, of being a big pork spender.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: BrAiN]
#7716037 - 12/04/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anyways, back to the original topic. While he would obviously take some from the Republicans, I think that he would take more from the Dems voters who vote more for anti-establishment figures.
This is the only way Paul is going to have any effect on the election, though, since there's no way he's winning the Rep. nomination. Paul backers have been thoroughly impressive with their efforts, but I don't think it's gonna get it done.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: Redstorm]
#7717007 - 12/04/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't worry about me, john, I can handle these fools just fine. Paul is a phony. He loads on the pork and then votes no on bills he know will pass anyway. He knows the bills are going to pass, so he piles on the pork and then tries to wave the porkbuster flag. Some people are just fucking stupid if they buy into this jackass's ego campaign. Wankers all. And by wankers I mean people who touch themselves in ways that would only be acceptable in private but who nonetheless think it's appropriate when some lunatic candidate strikes their perverse and out of touch fancy.
Like I said john, don't worry 'bout zappa', there's lots more reality where that came from. Plenty enough for these Paulnuts.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: fireworks_god]
#7718045 - 12/04/07 11:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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fireworks_god said: That is pretty much the most impressive resume for any Congressmen in the past twenty-thirty years, as far as I know.
I know that he has expressed feeling sympathy for his constituents, and a small occasion of voting on delivering some of their hard-earned money back to them in one year doesn't seem to out of order.
Clearly, your statement that he is as guilty of piling on the pork as anyone else is ridiculuous.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: fireworks_god]
#7719243 - 12/05/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zappa has it all wrong.
Paul has no control over others in congress passing pork bills he votes no on. These people get paid money by the pork lobbyists to vote yes and they take the money and they vote yes. They don't give a damn if its a good bill or not.
Paul doesn't take lobby money and he doesn't vote for any bill he thinks is unconstitutional. Lobbyists don't even bother going to his office.
Who are the real phonies in Congress?
Further, the GOP is putting all sorts of pressure on Paul to commit to supporting the Republican nominee if it is not him. They keep asking the same of all the others. The others say they will support whoever the Republican nominee is.
Paul says, not unless they align their foreign and domestic spending policies with those that are traditionally Republican.
He has to stay true to himself and what he gets behind. A phony/fraud would support something they do not agree with.
Ron Paul is the genuine article through and through. What you see and hear from him, is what you get. He's not a sell out.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: Redstorm]
#7719359 - 12/05/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Redstorm said: Anyways, back to the original topic. While he would obviously take some from the Republicans, I think that he would take more from the Dems voters who vote more for anti-establishment figures.
This is the only way Paul is going to have any effect on the election, though, since there's no way he's winning the Rep. nomination. Paul backers have been thoroughly impressive with their efforts, but I don't think it's gonna get it done.
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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: Redstorm]
#7719469 - 12/05/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Redstorm said: This is the only way Paul is going to have any effect on the election, though, since there's no way he's winning the Rep. nomination. Paul backers have been thoroughly impressive with their efforts, but I don't think it's gonna get it done.
Two weeks ago, no one would have said that Huckabee would be leading the national polls. The only two candidates of the Republicans that are on an upward trend are Huckabee and Ron Paul.
I don't think Huckabee's lead is sustainable. His rise, however, will only allow for Ron Paul to rise as well. For one thing, Huckabee's mouth has been stealing lines from Ron Paul, which doesn't make what he is saying sound so fringe. Giuliani and Mitt Romney have only been holding those high percentages for two reasons - name recognition, and money, respectively.
Now, you have Huckabee leading the polls, and on what? It isn't name recognition, and it certainly isn't money.
Now, Ron Paul is raising more money than any other GOP candidate now, and he spends his money much more effectively. His valuable money is pouring into the first-state primaries, and so is his grass-roots support. He's getting his delegates in place. December is going to launch Ron Paul to the next level of his campaign. He's going to the top-tier, all the signs are there.
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