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OfflineBrAiN
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hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil?
    #7709847 - 12/03/07 07:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Totally hypothetical situation:

If/When Ron Paul doesn't get the republican nod and he runs as a Libertarian or other third party (which I doubt he would do), would he be a democrat spoiler, a republican spoiler, or would he draw votes away from both parties equally?

Both coservative AND liberal media seems to be shutting him out as much as they can. Republicans for obvious reasons... democrats, I think because they WANT him to lose the nomination because he poses too much of a threat to democrats if it's just him and Hillary/Obama.

Lets try to stay on topic if we can, also.


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7709858 - 12/03/07 08:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I say democratic, just based on my small sphere of people I talk with.

They are generally against the iraq war, drug prohibition (for the most part, some are equivocators) , governent regulation, et cet.

These ALL vote republican for these reasons- which is probably why the democrats don't do jack shit. Their supporters in certain circles will never vote for different party, so the dem's no they don't have to pander to their interests.

So yeah, I know many people who essentially believe in the ron paul platform but inexplicably vote democratic for some reason


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7709892 - 12/03/07 08:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think a lot of people i know would be more willing to look at ron paul than the other side of the isle. meaning that the hardcore republicans i know might vote for ron paul rather than a democrate any day, same goes with dems. honestly though most of the people i know like ron paul and what he stands far as soon as they actually read what he is all about.


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7709989 - 12/03/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ron Paul is a way bigger threat to hilary than the repubs. Hilary has already been chosen. Ron Paul would upset that balance. I've said it b4 and I'll say it again; there is not one candidate that could stand up to Ron Paul in a 1 on 1 debate/election. Corruption cannot stand up to the light of truth, and Dr. Paul isn't afraid to speak the truth.


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #7710024 - 12/03/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hillary Clinton couldn't stand up to Ron Paul. Ron Paul's statements reflect his record, her's do not. Half of America will never vote for Hillary Clinton no matter what, and the rest of them do question her calculated nature. Who knows what the hell she would actually do. :shrug:

Here's what she'll actually do. :smirk: Taxes will go up to 60%, and she'll lead a Democratic majority into Congress too. She'll turn this country into a Welfare state and spend, spend, spend, spend your money. She'll open her legs to globalist interests, that want to suck this country of all of its wealth and power. Americans will become more dependent upon the state for their livelihood as the economy collapses, and we will suck on her teat. Total control. :rolleyes:


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7710029 - 12/03/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
Here's what she'll actually do. :smirk: Taxes will go up to 60%, and she'll lead a Democratic majority into Congress too. She'll turn this country into a Welfare state and spend, spend, spend, spend your money. She'll open her legs to globalist interests, that want to suck this country of all of its wealth and power. Americans will become more dependent upon the state for their livelihood as the economy collapses, and we will suck on her teat. Total control. :rolleyes:



And then Americans will get sick of it, and public opinion will once again turn towards the Republicans, and it will be business as usual.


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7710044 - 12/03/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Didn't I say *LETS KEEP THIS ON TOPIC* please instead of a debate over how much Hillary sucks?

We all know Hillary is a cunt.


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7710074 - 12/03/07 09:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
And then Americans will get sick of it, and public opinion will once again turn towards the Republicans, and it will be business as usual.




Ha, if only that were true. :wink:

The damage of those policies isn't something that just ebbs and flows. :levitate:

What happens is irreversible. Every action has consequences, and a shift in that direction at this time for this country would be catastrophic. This is the crucial moment in which we can either decide to return our troops from overseas, to limit the federal government and put the wealth of this country back into the hands of those who generate it, to bring value back into our currency and eliminate our debt, to restore freedom and peace to our country, or we can just continue to plow headfirst into attempts to grasp for a power of empire that cannot be grasped and just collapse.

This is the deciding moment, really. Maybe this time human beings have become aware enough to be capable of transcending these rises and falls so that we may truly evolve. I hope so. :shrug:


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7710083 - 12/03/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I know a couple republican friends and a couple democratic friends that
support him.

it could go either way.

he's stated he's not running as a third candidate without the nod,
unfortunately.


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: afoaf]
    #7710098 - 12/03/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's too bad too.

He's what.. 73 now? in four years people might think he's too old and looney to run again


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7710112 - 12/03/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

BrAiN said:
It's too bad too.




No it isn't, he's going to win the Republican nomination. :headbang:


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7710221 - 12/03/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Want to make a bet? Winer gets to chose 1 avatar that the loser has to use for a whole month?

It's a win win situation for me, either way :smile: If Ron Paul is the nominee, I have a giant penis as my avatar or whatever for a month but who cares? paul is the nominee.. If he isn't.. it sucks.. but at least I can humiliate you for  a month :wink:


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7710417 - 12/03/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I never wager the avatar, no matter what. :sorry:

Besides, you wouldn't donate or vote for him in order to win the bet, and I don't want to do that to Ron Paul. :nono:


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7710442 - 12/03/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't donate either way.. I'm broke as shit.

If I did have a little extra cash I'd give 20 bucks. And you think the downfall fo Ron Paul's campaign would rely on my not giving him 20 bucks? HAH!

Sounds like you're not so sure about your candidate's chances now :wink:

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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7710454 - 12/03/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not absolutely certain, as nothing is certain. :wink:


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7710498 - 12/03/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ok... avatar for one day :wink:


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7711818 - 12/03/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I see you turkeys managed to keep this on topic quite nicely.
I think an independent Ron Paul run will be quite harmful for the Dems. Look at his champs here. They hate Republicans and would normally hold their noses and vote for whatever Democrat came out. Now they have this delicious maverick that they think can make a difference. Go for it.

Paul does what he says, huh? He's as guilty of piling on the pork as anybody else.


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7711836 - 12/03/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

zappa find a link to anything showing ron paul's vote for pork that he put into a bill.


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: SlashOZ]
    #7711856 - 12/03/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/10/ron_pauls_record_on_economic_i.php

"Ron Paul's record contains some very laudable components," said Club for Growth President Pat Toomey. "On taxes, regulation, and political speech, his record is superb. His spending record is impressive, though Paul has recently embraced pork-barrel projects in direct contradiction to his vociferous opposition to unconstitutional appropriations by the federal government."

This is from people who like him.


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Re: hypothetical: who would ron paul spoil? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7711859 - 12/03/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

He didnt even vote for a resolution to give Rosa Parks a ridiculous medal with the taxpayers money, thats a pretty unfound statement.


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Washington, DC: Congressman Ron Paul ranked first among more than 500 Senators and Representatives in voting to lower federal taxes and spending last year! The National Taxpayers Union, a nonpartisan citizens organization, recently released its annual rating of fiscal policy votes for the year 2000. Congressman Paul was #1, voting consistently to reduce taxes, spending, debt, and regulation.






http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2001/pr042401.htm


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