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ManianFH
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anonymous do you need other people to people help you feel good about yourself?
Do you feel good about yourself on your own?
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SurReality
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Icelander said: wtf it sure is. Don't you remember what you post?
that might roll off the tongue well, but you should be more careful giving that advice to someone suicidal...
I'm not telling you what advice to give here. Now you "should" be more careful about remembering what you post
ya i remember what i posted thats y i figured you directed your post to me, sorry i really didnt mean to shoot down your advice... i thought it was funny to tell someone suicidal to do what they want, since what they want is to kill themself- just tryin to point that out.
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Icelander
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That reply wasn't in response to his desire to kill himself. 
Yet, it still applies. If someone really wants to off themselves who are we to stand in their way? Next you will be wanting to control how we decide to live.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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moses
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If you are suicidal you are at the very low. Life can only get better from that point on...so hang in there and it WILL get better. Death is not something one should be afraid of...but its suppose to be a natural thing. There is nothing natural about suicide at all.
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Re: suicide [Re: moses]
#7733819 - 12/08/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Life can only get better from that point on...so hang in there and it WILL get better.
This statement is based on nothing but wishful thinking and fear of death IMO. Someone who is suffering physically or mentally has no assurance that things WILL get any better. They may and they may not.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: suicide [Re: moses]
#7733885 - 12/08/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you are suicidal you are at the very low.
Bullshit. That's a victim attitude. If you were really at "the very low" you wouldn't have the extra time and luxury to be thinking about various ways you might off yourself. You would be engaged in a struggle that could kill you before you had the chance.
Suicide ideation is a flailing act of an over-inflated ego of a person who is probably feeling unloved. Examine why it is you feel unloved. What attitudes about yourself, others and the world perpetuate this? Honestly, if someone wants to throw the immeasurably precious gift of life away then I have not one trace of sorrow for them. If you really think your life is that bad, start recounting all the things you have to be grateful for. You can start with your health. Can you walk on your own two feet? If the answer is yes, I laugh at your self-pity.
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SurReality
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Icelander said: Yet, it still applies. If someone really wants to off themselves who are we to stand in their way? Next you will be wanting to control how we decide to live.
haha so i wonder how you feel about the fact that in America you do not have the right to kill youself (Suicide really is a crime)
i wonder what it costs to keep a dead man in prison?
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mickdawg666 said: anonymous do you need other people to people help you feel good about yourself?
Do you feel good about yourself on your own?
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Re: suicide [Re: Viveka]
#7734292 - 12/08/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you are suicidal you are at the very low.
Bullshit. That's a victim attitude. If you were really at "the very low" you wouldn't have the extra time and luxury to be thinking about various ways you might off yourself. You would be engaged in a struggle that could kill you before you had the chance.
Suicide ideation is a flailing act of an over-inflated ego of a person who is probably feeling unloved. Examine why it is you feel unloved. What attitudes about yourself, others and the world perpetuate this? Honestly, if someone wants to throw the immeasurably precious gift of life away then I have not one trace of sorrow for them. If you really think your life is that bad, start recounting all the things you have to be grateful for. You can start with your health. Can you walk on your own two feet? If the answer is yes, I laugh at your self-pity.
attitudes like this can be very hurtful in this state of mind. Mabey there is some truth in it, but it seems so insensitive to say you don't have any sympathy for someone like myself that is hurting this bad. I specificly made these posts anonomously because i don't want anyone to think i'm being an attention whore, or to lose respect for me. It would be great to be able to talk to my friends about this stuff. To say "hey i'm hurting bad. I'm considering suicide" But i don't have a lot of friends. And some of my closest friends have expressed the same sentements as you. That anyone who wants to kill themselves should just do it, and not go bothering other people with they'r selfish desire to end the pain. I'm sorry if its selfish. I DON'T WANT TO HURT ANYBODY. I feel like continuing to stay alive in this state of misery is dragging down everyone around me, more than it would to lose me.
I'v felt this way for the past 11 years. Sometimes moreso than others, but that overall, the depression is to much to handle. I always say, life is shit 90% of the time, but i live for the shining moments. But at times like this, i question weather its worth it to be deppressed all the time. My father suffers from depression, and has attempted suicide many times. The things i know about his father are that he lived a horrible misserable life. Today has been especially hard. Thank you to those with advice, and kind words.
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You have to do the work. I never said I think you should kill yourself. I said life - awareness - is such an unfathomable blessing that if you want to throw it away, I won't feel sorry for you. No I don't have "sympathy" for your position. I don't have "sympathy" for any one or any thing. Sympathy is an ugly thing. I do think empathy is a valuable thing and should be cultivated, but I do not empathize with someone who wants to throw their life away. How can you empathize with a will toward nothingness?
What are the mental programs you are running that are keeping you in this state of mind? Or are you in such decrepit health that to simply breathe is agony? I'm guessing the latter is not the case...so why have you felt this way the past 11 years?
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Re: suicide [Re: Viveka]
#7735253 - 12/09/07 12:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anonomous,
Suicidal behaviour fascinates me.
I've had suicidal thoughts before man, I got locked up twice for it (two 72hour stints in a 2 week peroid). So I've been there, and met people in there that are 1000X's more fucked up than me or you.
I can't find the answer for you, you literally need to find it yourself, no joke.
Just remember how beautiful life can be for other people, and strive towards it and you will find yourself eventually.
Check this shit out: Beautiful shit: From the rooftops of the Apple Studios in England, A free concert, people on the streets wondering what the hell was going on.. wonderful things happen in this world constantly and you are part of it:
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GGreatOne234
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Watch this shit man, life is beautiful, you just need to find it:
Watch/listen/learn to these beatles clips:
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They're having the times of their lives!!!
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GGreatOne234
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There is a beautiful world out there for you to find, you've just got to poke around:
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Bask in your suidicial emotions and soak it up so much until you will eventually realize that life is amazing - hard for you see now, but it's there bro, just keep on truckin until you find it.
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I'm not asking you to be Ringo Starr or John Lennon, just fucking realize that life is an amazing treat sometimes, forget about all the shittiness that life gives to you and just live for the good stuff - you'll find it eventually, because, right now you are in a cespool of shit that seems unimaginable to get out of, but you will eventually one day again find yourself in a place you're happy with. Trust me, i've been there and came back to see it.
I'm drunk on beer again for the first time in a while, so, take a drunken mans advice and just keep on livin, you've got nothing to lose.
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man, just because you get depressed and maybe you have been told that you will never get better, let me tell you that is all bullshit. now i personally think that everyone is different and everyones own solution is different so you've gotta find you're own path man. but what i can tell you, being a survivor of the suicides of my own mother a week after my 18th birthday, my grandfather, 2 aunts, 4 uncles, and 2 cousins and one really good friend, its just not the way man there is hope, always. i used to get depressed all the time, time and time again it comes back around a little bit but one of the things you have to ultimately realize is.... its human to feel sad. it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with you. i am not at all saying that anti-depressants don't work or that i am against them, that just wasn't my path and maybe it isn't yours either, especially if you don't trust shrinks (like me). I honestly cant say any specific way that i dealt with my depression or my suicidal thoughts but one thing that always did help me was whenever i started feeling that extreme about things, i would change all my surroundings. I would hang out with different friends, changed my job a couple times, even took multiple pay cuts, sometimes i would re-arrange all the stuff in my house (furniture an whatnot), i moved twice, changed my clothing style a couple times, i even found myself a girl, i took all those thoughts of not giving a fuck about my life and turned it into pure sometimes overly ballsy confidence, because i didn't care. At first it just made me feel better to make people laugh with my antics, then i learned that it was funnier and better for me to make myself laugh first, Ive sworn by that and over-confidence ever since. I just had to keep at that shit until i found everything that i liked and next to nothing left in my life that i didn't like or something i was just doing (or being) because of what someone else thought or did, it was very hard at first to leave it all behind just to please myself, but necessary. Ever since that 2 year period when all those deaths in my family happened i have never looked back with anything but a fond memory of the loved ones that i love and miss so goddamn much. I just wish they all could have known how much they were all loved and valued not just by their family, but by their community and their other loved ones before it was too late. I don't know man, all I'm really trying to say is you've gotta find you're own path and THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE NO MATTER HOW BAD THINGS SEEM TO GET.
i hope you understand what i am trying to say here, this being an extremely emotional topic for me, it was very hard for me to express my feelings on the subject into words. hopefully i got my feelings (at least somewhat) across and i hope this was able to at least help someone out a little bit. i just felt like it was fate that i would randomly come across this specific thread while i was thinking about my mother, so i thought i owed it to myself and the shroomery to at least give my opinion and experience whether or not it actually means anything to anyone but me. i will be keeping my eye on this thread. this one really means allot to me. i also want to say that it also means allot to me that we can do this here like this, the shroomery is one hell of a community, lots of good people here, and i am damn proud to be a part of it. thanks shroomery and all shroomerites.
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Icelander
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Icelander said: Yet, it still applies. If someone really wants to off themselves who are we to stand in their way? Next you will be wanting to control how we decide to live.
haha so i wonder how you feel about the fact that in America you do not have the right to kill youself (Suicide really is a crime)
i wonder what it costs to keep a dead man in prison?
You don't need permission to off yourself no matter what the law.
I live in a state with the only assisted suicide law on the books.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Eventually, everyone here will die. We will all end up going to wherever/through whatever is next. So, why rush?
You think your work is done here? You're sick of being here? Look around, and notice that everyone has that same underlying feelings whether they are aware of them or not [IMO]. It's natural to feel sad; it's okay to be frustrated with life. We are living life preoccupied with whatever is going on materially, in front of our faces. We go through the actions, but we miss the whole point: we miss how things are moving forward and advancing; [it's been said] the universe is constantly expanding. All we see are setbacks, failures, disappointments. So you're working your ass off for what looks like no reason, or what looks like a fall-back. Who wouldn't get frustrated; who wouldn't want it all to end?
It's so easy to see the downside, and not so easy to see the up. Just remember that there is so much love in this universe available to you at all times in all forms. Know that the feelings you are experiencing will pass (only if you let them). And in the wise words of Paul McCartney, "When you find yourself in times of trouble, let it be."
There are so many of us here who want to support you. We can only help if you want us to.
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Icelander
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Eventually, everyone here will die. We will all end up going to wherever/through whatever is next. So, why rush?
Some peoples lives are so physically and or emotionally painful that they are in a rush. I don't blame them and I do support that choice if they choose it. Having said that, I agree with much of what you have to say.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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lostinautumn7
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Icelander said: Yet, it still applies. If someone really wants to off themselves who are we to stand in their way? Next you will be wanting to control how we decide to live.
haha so i wonder how you feel about the fact that in America you do not have the right to kill youself (Suicide really is a crime)
i wonder what it costs to keep a dead man in prison?
You don't need permission to off yourself no matter what the law.
I live in a state with the only assisted suicide law on the books.
i totally agree with you man, you should have the right to do whatever the fuck you want whenever the fuck you want, but you cant, and you never will. maybe its just me, but doesn't this debate seem a little inappropriate for this thread man? i am sure you aren't trying to be in here coming across as a totally insensitive prick, but you are. please bring the personal rights debate elsewhere some of us are actually trying to have a meaningful thread here. please don't make this political. people already kind of know that they can commit suicide and no one can stop them(if that is what they actually really want), thats why we are here in the first place. i know there are tons of skeptics but what if, sometime in the future someone happens across this thread that this would really really help out man maybe it wont even be the reader that it helps , but the reader goes out and is inspired to help someone else in this situation. there is always a chance. trust me man, there isn't a single person in the world that needs to be told that suicide is an "option".
maybe I'm just being defensive because this topic really hits home for me, but i just think this is a really fucked up thread to bring politics into.
-------------------- "May your mycelia multiply and be fruitful." - oxohawkoxo the shroomery is one hell of a community, lots of good people here, and i am damn proud to be a part of it. thanks shroomery and all shroomerites. - lostinautumn7
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