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dorkus
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Re: Tell me, does this not resonate with you? [Re: Icelander]
#7706859 - 12/02/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Being here at the shroomery went a long way in curing me of any illusions of humanity and spirituality having anything to do with each other.
You've said this so often. I wonder what the fuck you were expecting before coming to the shroomery?
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Re: Tell me, does this not resonate with you? [Re: Icelander]
#7706864 - 12/02/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: This is what God has had to go through" standing by, loving mankind, while mankind goes on hurting himself and each other through all his ignorance and injustice.
  
So why didn't God just stop it. No wait. I know what you're going to say. I love it when people believe in comic book heros.
God is a DORK! I can't believe modern humanoids believe this absolute non-sense. Makes me think of the DODO bird.
Maybe the appeal of this story isn't the truth of it, but the inspiration and empathy derived from it, which leant to someone becoming a better person. Taking this story or trip literally is like reading the bible literally.
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Loving in truth, and fain in verse my love to show, That the dear She might take some pleasure of my pain: Pleasure might cause her read, reading might make her know, Knowledge might pity win, and pity grace obtain.
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Re: Tell me, does this not resonate with you? [Re: dorkus]
#7706879 - 12/02/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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dorkus said:
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Icelander said: Being here at the shroomery went a long way in curing me of any illusions of humanity and spirituality having anything to do with each other.
You've said this so often. I wonder what the fuck you were expecting before coming to the shroomery?
I can hardly remember. I was looking for serious psychonauts who had a logical reference point. I did find one.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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dorkus
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Re: Tell me, does this not resonate with you? [Re: Icelander]
#7706902 - 12/02/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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A logical reference point???
No wonder you got disillusioned.
And now you're staying because you're bored?
Edited by dorkus (12/02/07 02:32 PM)
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Icelander
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Re: Tell me, does this not resonate with you? [Re: dorkus]
#7706914 - 12/02/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's like interactive TV.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Tell me, does this not resonate with you? [Re: WScott]
#7709844 - 12/03/07 07:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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WScottsdale said: "The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain." ~Genesis 6:5-6
Would a being that is truly wise form a narrow expectation of how other free-willed beings will act and then suffer emotionally when they don't live up to it?
That realization of the totality of suffering is very profound though.
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Re: Tell me, does this not resonate with you? [Re: druglord]
#7710104 - 12/03/07 09:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its not even possible for us to experience one without the other.
Not true. Both pain and suffering are notions, interpretations of our own minds. Definitions that we give in order to appreciate the quality of our existence. They are only important to make us able to communicate and measure.
That's exactly why they are inseparable. 
Pleasure is "not suffering" and suffering is "not pleasurable". Nothing can exist unless there is something that is "not it". There cannot be light without darkness. There cannot be cold without heat. There cannot be love without fear. etcetera etcetera etcetera.....
This is because of what you said MT. They are really all the same thing, yet we use words to polarize the experience of reality which is ultimately whole and complete. Think Taoism.
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   "The choiceless truth of who you are is revealed to be permanently here permeating everything. Not a thing and not separate from anything."--Gaganji "Yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is today's dream." "My karma ran over my dogma!"
Edited by SoY (12/03/07 10:01 AM)
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Re: Tell me, does this not resonate with you? [Re: SoY]
#7710645 - 12/03/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's exactly why they are inseparable. 
Pleasure is "not suffering" and suffering is "not pleasurable". Nothing can exist unless there is something that is "not it". There cannot be light without darkness. There cannot be cold without heat. There cannot be love without fear. etcetera etcetera etcetera.....
I didn't argue about the existence of suffering, because it obviously exists. Also I agree that suffering and happiness define each other. What I don't necessarily agree with is that in order to feel pleasure one must necessarily feel pain. It sounds a little too catholic in my appreciation.  This is exactly why I said the following:
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It is true that we can price pleasure more after we suffered, but I don't think that pleasure exists only if suffering does too. Also I don't consider it to be a very healthy way of looking at life, because it induces a certain degree of indulgence towards pain where one, instead of acting upon removing the pain might live in comfort of the thought that "better days will come".
We must be aware that we can rid ourselves of the suffering that we feel and replace it with understanding, acceptance and awareness.
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   All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
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