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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: lonestar2004]
#7711550 - 12/03/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: Redstorm]
#7711577 - 12/03/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: BrAiN]
#7711659 - 12/03/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Arp said: "terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against people or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives. "
Assisting people in overthrowing a government is terrorism in my book.
Pretty lax. China is thus terrorizing the US.
China is threatening America? When did this start happening?
The Chinese government has been illegally funding the Clintons' quest for dominance in return for tech secrets. My only point was that he posted a ludicrously broad definition of terrorism to make an assertion that the US was committing terrorism in Venezuela. I don't really see a lost election as an overthrow either but the true believers do.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: zappaisgod]
#7711823 - 12/03/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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gives sources to your clinton bs. it is just another reason not to for for clinton and continue to dual leadership of two stupid families. Arp's definition of terrorism is a pretty good one covering most aspects of terrorism. however campaign funding doesn't fall under that definition. it is the unlawful use of force or violence not the unlawful funding of stupid candidates.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7711842 - 12/03/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said: No. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in someone condemning another when they've doing the same or worse and in immeasurably larger quantities. I sound like a little kid? Actually, your use use of child-like quotations in an attempt to discount an argument in instead of using substance demonstrates a childish intellectual capacity.
That argument is retarded even if I was just a US citizen who pays taxes. Anyone with an inkling of sense can see that.
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So that's a no... you can't back it up with a single, real example instead of more childish sarcasm? You would just prefer to make as baseless an assertion as when Luddite called Che Guevara a "hairy faggot" & implied that he liked young boys?
Ugh, hello... You ignorantly accused me of having slave owning indian murderers as heroes so I ignorantly accused you of the same. It's not my fault if you are terrible at interpreting sarcasm.
And Che was a hairy faggot who liked young boys enough to murder them in cold blood.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: d33p]
#7711940 - 12/03/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe 3 presidential elections and 2 by proxy of parliamentary elections which were all as free and fair as Venezuela's.
Again, can you cite a source detailing election fraud in Venezuela as is easy to do in Zimbabwe?
Here is but one from one election...
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/africa/jan-june02/elections_3-13.html
The fact that the recent referendum proposed by Chávez's government failed to pass by a 51-49 margin indicates that there was no fraud because, if their was the election supervisors (admittedly his supporters) could have easily flipped those numbers around. If the results had been the other way you & just about everyone on here would be saying with 100% certainly that they were rigged.
There was no evidence in the link you provided, just claims.
If that fact proves that there was no fraud in Venezuela then I guess the fact that the constitutional referendum that Mugabe tried to pass in 2000 which failed indicates there is no election fraud in Zimbabwe too.
The following is taken frome wiki so take it for what it's worth.
"Let me congratulate the people of Zimbabwe for holding a peaceful, credible and well-organised election which we feel reflects the will of the people" said Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, the South African cabinet minister that led the 55-member, 11-country observer mission from the Southern African Development Community.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: d33p]
#7715138 - 12/04/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: d33p]
#7715190 - 12/04/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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