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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: zappaisgod]
#7707242 - 12/02/07 04:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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"terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against people or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives. "
Assisting people in overthrowing a government is terrorism in my book.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: Arp]
#7707245 - 12/02/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: BrAiN]
#7707250 - 12/02/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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That video does the same.. all it does it show that we knew that the coup was going down. It never says anything about OUR actions. Everything says "the plotters are going to do this", "the plotters are going to do that".
Doesn't show crap to me. The only thing this video shows is that we
1) knew it was coming (which everyone knew in the first place) 2) offered advice to a couple plotters 3) were planning for the change ahead of time because they knew it was happening.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7707252 - 12/02/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said: Going by that definition, the U.S. government is hands down the greatest terrorist organization in the world today.
I agree with you, but why do you keep bringing this up? We're trying to prove to you what a douche Chavez is to his own people and you keep bringing up American facism and imperialism?
Are you trying to say that Chavez should be allowed to be a dick just because we are? Or are you trying to say that Chaves isn't a dick.
Make up your mind.
Why is it whenever there is an anti-chavez post that talks about the way Chavez treats his own people (nothing to do with America), people flock to defend him as sticking up for his people. Then when we prove these people wrong by showing Chavez IS INDEED a douche, the argument suddenly switches to how crappy America is... trying to change the subject so they don't have to admit they're wrong.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: BrAiN]
#7707273 - 12/02/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whelp. It's difficult to get uncensored documents out of the CIA and various agencies, despite the freedom of information act.
but there's so much shady shit going on that it's hard not to believe that the US played an important role in the coup.
still If an elected government is overthrown, wouldn't it be in the US interest of saving democracy to do something about it? Instead they acknowledged the new government in a heartbeat.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: BrAiN]
#7707289 - 12/02/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ps. I'm not defending Chávez. After spending a year in South America I no longer trust most latinos
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: Arp]
#7707293 - 12/02/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Arp said: Whelp. It's difficult to get uncensored documents out of the CIA and various agencies, despite the freedom of information act.
but there's so much shady shit going on that it's hard not to believe that the US played an important role in the coup.
still If an elected government is overthrown, wouldn't it be in the US interest of saving democracy to do something about it? Instead they acknowledged the new government in a heartbeat.
Only if you believe that Chavez was actually elected. Like I said before... when they was a vote going on about whether or not to recall him, he suddenly violates the constitution by adding 12 more members to the supreme court, who oversaw the counting. If Bush tried something like this in America, there would be a damn revolution.
Chavez is very smart. He knows how to fudge an election.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: Arp]
#7707296 - 12/02/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Arp said: ps. I'm not defending Chávez. After spending a year in South America I no longer trust most latinos
Oh I ain't talkin about you. 
At least you stick to the subject. All I'm saying is why does EP keep bringing up American imperialism in a thread about how Chavez treats his own people like shit?
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: Arp]
#7707306 - 12/02/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Arp said: After spending a year in South America I no longer trust most latinos
I'm engaged to one
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7707358 - 12/02/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said: Venezuela's had a democracy for the last 50 years? That would be news to most people living there.
Yea, it's not like Chavez, a former criminal charged with sedition, was allowed to run in the elections and win or anything.
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Why don't you research his childhood & years in the military before you make a statement on something you're not familiar with
Chavez takes measures to silence his opposition and reduce government transparency. He is power hungry and doesn't give a shit about the common Venezuelan.
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Or a result of not being white.
haha. ignorance is strength
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hey're having a public vote (i.e. democracy) on a # of fundamental issues right now; whereas in the U.S. fundamental issues aren't usually on the ballot, just choices between two candidates who stand for more or less the same thing. The vote going on right now is being monitored by over 100 foreign observers from other parts of Latin America, the U.S. & Europe; as well as hundreds more from all sides of the political spectrum within Venezuela. Past election from '98 & beyond have been declared free & fair by all international observers. He's won three elections. If his proposed reforms win in this election, what more will it take for you to believe a majority in Venezuela want to take a different social & economic path than the one offered by neoliberalism?
Congrats for not having even a basic grasp of how the USA's government works. I don't care if the majority of people in Venezuela voted to make Chavez a god. A majority consensus doesn't make something right.
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One three occasions, & 4 shortly, the majority in Venezuela will disagree with you. But hey, lack of popular support has never stopped the U.S. from installing/support puppet dictators before around the world.
And lack of popular support won't stop Chavez from retaining power or murdering dissenters when he becomes dictator for life and completely fucks up the country. I'm sure he appreciates your support.
And I'm glad you conveniently skipped my first paragraph. Chavez is ass raping the economy and doing a shitty job of helping the lower classes considering rising oil prices. Look at this graph. Look at oil prices when Chavez took power in '98 and look at them now. Almost anyone would have improved the conditions of the lower class more than Chavez had, had they been running the country during this time.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: BrAiN]
#7707379 - 12/02/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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'm engaged to one
There are exceptions .
Why Chávez is paranoid and treats the people the way he do might be due to prior knowledge of what can happened when no precautions are taken. Too much corruption over there, and having generals and foreigners plotting against you doesn't make things better.
Hopefully he will not turn out to be another corrupt dictator, and more people will rise out of poverty.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: Arp]
#7707402 - 12/02/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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We'll see.
He's already a corrupt dictator.
But I don' think he poses a real threat to the U.S. Anyone out there who isnt a superpower knows not to directly fuck with America or they'll get steamrolled. Chavez is one smart mother fucker, though. If the planets align properly I can see him being a superpower if things go right for him.... He'll slowly suck up as much power as he can in South America and pimp out his military as much as he can, make the right alliances over the next decade or so....
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: Arp]
#7707813 - 12/02/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Arp said: "terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against people or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives. "
Assisting people in overthrowing a government is terrorism in my book.
Pretty lax. China is thus terrorizing the US.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: BrAiN]
#7708153 - 12/02/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: d33p]
#7708164 - 12/02/07 07:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: BrAiN]
#7708170 - 12/02/07 07:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: d33p]
#7708186 - 12/02/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7708418 - 12/02/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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He is power hungry and doesn't give a shit about the common Venezuelan.
A majority among the 'common Venezuelan' would disagree with you, but you're probably better qualified to speak for them than they are for themselves.
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I don't care if the majority of people in Venezuela voted...
Well, they do.
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And lack of popular support won't stop Chavez from retaining power...
Can you point out a time yet where he hasn't had popular support?
BTW, you keep saying how horrible of a job he's doing with the economy. Being as a majority disagree with you, why don't you stay out of their business & let them have the society a majority want? Or do you support more CIA coups & U.S.-trained death squads to eliminate him & his supporters as the U.S. has so often done in Latin America.
I would love to shove the majority of my foot up your ass.
Majorties don't mean shit in terms of whether something is right or just. Do you agree with that?
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7708430 - 12/02/07 08:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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haha. ignorance is strength
Why don't you elaborate on that a bit? You probably think our heroes are savages. That's fine. We think your heroes are slave-owning, Indian murderers.
we? Does that include the voices in your head?
You claim that you need more pigment in your skin to not notice the similarities between mugabe, aristide, and chavez. That is just plain retarded.
I think your heroes are slave-fucking, indian murderers.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: zappaisgod]
#7708457 - 12/02/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Arp said: "terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against people or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives. "
Assisting people in overthrowing a government is terrorism in my book.
Pretty lax. China is thus terrorizing the US.
China is threatening America? When did this start happening?
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