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Jobs and Drugs?
    #7701856 - 12/01/07 05:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Why is it that any decent paying job always drug test you? Its almost like society is set up for people that do drugs to work at mcdonalds or any other shithole place like that. Maybe its just because I live in a small town but I dono. Any thoughts on this? :psychsplit:


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7701860 - 12/01/07 06:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Priorities ,Amigo. Drugs or a (good) job is the compromise you usually have to make.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7701868 - 12/01/07 06:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

you just answered your own question. if you cant stop doing drugs long enough to pass a drug test, well then HOLY SHIT the fries are burning!


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7701871 - 12/01/07 06:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well weed stays in your system a long time and drinking tons of water or cranberry juice Iv'e tried several times and it never seems to work. Plus with random tests every so often it seems like theres no way of bypassing it. Ya know?


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7701875 - 12/01/07 06:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well, yeah - but I know when I have to look for a job, I have to go on a weed diet until I find a new job.

Im not for drug testing gods no - but I do know how to play the game.
Isnt it funny how weed sticks around in your body- but coke is gone in like 24 hours.
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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7701885 - 12/01/07 06:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I always wondered why all the hard drugs don't stay in your sytem that long but weed does. Coke is one hell of a drug but 80 bucks gone in an hour or 2, ehh its not worth it anymore.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7701890 - 12/01/07 06:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm agreeing with Orcale here. Gotta work the system or it'll work you. Unless your a felon like me! :grin: Then your fucked!


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7701916 - 12/01/07 06:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

A lot of jobs just drug test to get hired on I had to take two one for the temp agency and then when i became a full time associate I had to take another I never "stopped" doing drugs I just did less so I could be clean for my test I have never failed one even though I was still doing drugs but it helps greatly to reduce your intake it's not hard to clean a joint out of your system. But the best jobs do hair test and random testing and those are a bitch. I personally do not believe in them because it doesn't stop shitty workers from getting jobs, in all reality drug test don't work they produce false negatives or don't read positive when they should and the companies that make them refuse to take responsibility for their shitty products. The only time I think they should be used is if a worker seriously injures them self or another person, because no one should be intoxicated at a place where they could easily injure someone.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7701927 - 12/01/07 07:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly man they should only test if somebody is injured. The job I'm working for now is alright framing, drywall, ect, but its not quite doin it for me. I don't make enough to hardly do anything with and it has strange hours where sometimes I won't work for a week or 2 so I make even less. On the good side my boss is cool hes always talkin about how he used to go to keggers and get fucked up all the time. The only reason I'm even thinking about getting a different job is so I can move.

The cops in my town are horrible and I have no real freedom from my parents. Lol this post is pretty off topic but this is what drove me to start this thread anyway.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7701936 - 12/01/07 07:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Also your best bet could be if you could find work through a job that has branches were you are looking to live and they could possibly transfer you. I saved my money for three years till I was 18 I moved out the week after had almost $7,000 and that was great to have when I moved out and it helped so much with car repairs furniture everything. It is totally worth quitting doing drugs to get a job and get out on your own. Even though I didn't have to because i first started working kitchen jobs when I was 15. But yeah union jobs I think would be great for re-locating you.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7701946 - 12/01/07 07:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Solution: Turn to DMT! Pump that shit into your veins in front of the tester and tell them to try and find it in their little test :rofl:


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: undergrounder]
    #7701951 - 12/01/07 07:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just fill that fucker up and blast to outerspace!:eek::psychsplit:


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7702203 - 12/01/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

lets see how long those pre-employment drug-screening companies last without the creativity and ingenuity of drug users :wink:

live and let die.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: wps]
    #7702214 - 12/01/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

once you get jobs that pay 50k-100k per year, that doesn't seem to happen in my exp.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7702241 - 12/01/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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The only time I think they should be used is if a worker seriously injures them self or another person, because no one should be intoxicated at a place where they could easily injure someone.





And what about the honest hard working man who smokes every once in a while and trips or gets hurt because of someone else or just an honest mistake? He is going to have to take a drug test, and he is going to lose his job. Companies test after accidents not because they want to see if the person is on drugs or not, but if they have shit in their system then they can't collect workers comp or insurance. The system is in place to fuck you over, not protect you.

My dad got knocked in the head real bad at his job a few months back, He was bleeding everywhere and needed stitches but he just sucked it up went home and got private treatment. Was he high at work? Never. Was the injury his fault? No. Would he get lose his job and every thing he's worked for anyway just because of a stupid drug test? Yes.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7702325 - 12/01/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i have a great job, i dont get drug tested.:shrug:


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7702385 - 12/01/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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acidistic said:
I always wondered why all the hard drugs don't stay in your sytem that long but weed does.




I know why. Your body treats all the hard drugs as a poison and moves to flush them out immediately. On the other hand, your body knows weed is good for it, and keeps it circulating in the system for as long as possible.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: DonkeyShell]
    #7702453 - 12/01/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

your body knows weed is good for it...yeah. sure.lmao


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7702586 - 12/01/07 12:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

to the OP:

what are you talking about? the best paying jobs dont drug test at all. Most PROFESSIONAL jobs like engineering and law dont drug test.

Companies mainly just drug test middle-paying jobs like blue collar and service industry type stuff. If youre a druggie, you gotta aim higher.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7702596 - 12/01/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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acidistic said:
Why is it that any decent paying job always drug test you? Its almost like society is set up for people that do drugs to work at mcdonalds or any other shithole place like that.



Unless you go to grad school and get a job at some law firm or investment brokerage. But ya, otherwise you're pretty screwed. Unless you can manage the self-control to stop smoking weed for a while.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7702643 - 12/01/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

In my experience, someone who is likely to go overboard from time to time with drug use, is someone who is also likely to call in sick, do a second rate job, give me attitude and be generally undependable.

As someone who is likely going to be a small business owner in the next few years, I would never knowingly hire someone with a drug problem. If you can't clean yourself up long enough to take a drug test then you probably have a problem. This is my business, this is my livelyhood, this is how I pay my bills and support my family. I need a team I can depend on.

There's a big difference between someone who smokes a joint after work once in while and someone who doesn't have the self control to pass a test.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7702715 - 12/01/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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acidistic said:
Why is it that any decent paying job always drug test you? Its almost like society is set up for people that do drugs to work at mcdonalds or any other shithole place like that. Maybe its just because I live in a small town but I dono. Any thoughts on this? :psychsplit:




I have a very good job, pays well, and they don't drug test.



If I ever end up running some businesses, I will drug test, but not for marijuana.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: Colbadol]
    #7702745 - 12/01/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

DT's are so easy to pass unless they watch you, use your imagination


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: Colbadol]
    #7702761 - 12/01/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I like that. Be a proud, be a druggie and aim high! Now you wanna talk about getting fucked by the system, felons. I'm finding this shit out the hard way. I have not come to one place that will hire me. I'm going to a temp agency on monday, praying to every god I can think of and sacrificing goats to ones I made up, just in the hopes of being able to have a fucking job. Right now I'm staying with family and selling plasma at a really unprofessional place to pay my bills. But I've begun to become a burden upon my family so they'd rather me be in the street soon than stay with them.
Felonies suck.
Lucky for me, mine goes away in 12 months and 1/2 months.
But see the problem is, after your a felon everyone can see it on a backround check, so no one wants to hire you. So you need a means of supporting yourself, and your trying to go legit to get your shit together but the systems giving you the finger and rather than setting the building on fire you grit your teeth and keep trying. I mean is it any wonder most felons become repeat offenders? Crime is the only thing that will take in a felon!


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: CherryBom]
    #7702774 - 12/01/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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In my experience, someone who is likely to go overboard from time to time with drug use, is someone who is also likely to call in sick, do a second rate job, give me attitude and be generally undependable.

As someone who is likely going to be a small business owner in the next few years, I would never knowingly hire someone with a drug problem.  If you can't clean yourself up long enough to take a drug test then you probably have a problem.  This is my business, this is my livelyhood, this is how I pay my bills and support my family.  I need a team I can depend on.

There's a big difference between someone who smokes a joint after work once in while and someone who doesn't have the self control to pass a test.




Well written.  :congrats:


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: Colbadol]
    #7702918 - 12/01/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

insurance companies own you and the business you work for


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: acidistic]
    #7703184 - 12/01/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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acidistic said:
Why is it that any decent paying job always drug test you?





insurance... I landed a good paying job through a temp agency a year ago, had to
take a drug test to get the job, it wasnt hard to stop smoking pot to get a job
but that's probably just me... a couple weeks into the job I crushed a finger in
one of the presses but didnt feel it was bad enough for a doctor, they did. I
refused... my boss, the companies VP said "dont worry about a drug test, we'll
make sure you pass"... I would have passed anyway

a few months ago my brother had a similar injury, steel sprang back out of a
press, trapped his finger between it and the platen, split it open, he opted for
the doc, he tested positive for marijuana, he's still got his job, the boss'
wife paid for it out of pocket


want a good job that avoids the drug testing, look into construction, all phases
and types, try joining a union, it wont matter if you're drugged out and killing
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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: Innominate]
    #7703700 - 12/01/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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The only time I think they should be used is if a worker seriously injures them self or another person, because no one should be intoxicated at a place where they could easily injure someone.





And what about the honest hard working man who smokes every once in a while and trips or gets hurt because of someone else or just an honest mistake? He is going to have to take a drug test, and he is going to lose his job. Companies test after accidents not because they want to see if the person is on drugs or not, but if they have shit in their system then they can't collect workers comp or insurance. The system is in place to fuck you over, not protect you.

My dad got knocked in the head real bad at his job a few months back, He was bleeding everywhere and needed stitches but he just sucked it up went home and got private treatment. Was he high at work? Never. Was the injury his fault? No. Would he get lose his job and every thing he's worked for anyway just because of a stupid drug test? Yes.




Well it sucks yeah but if you injure someone else they should be fired if they were intoxicated at the time a blood test would do forget the urine and like I said a serious injury, not a minor one.


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Re: Jobs and Drugs? [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7703868 - 12/01/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

To be constructive here: Let me suggest you look into getting a job at UPS as a loader/unloader at a hub.

Its 25hrs a week, Mon-Fri, but Midnight shift (11PM-3AM) gets overtime. Work doubles on twilight and midnight, will get you 5PM-3AM + 2 hours overtime if you want it.
It starts at $8.5, but in thirty days goes up to $9. If you do your job well, they will promote you to "Pick-Off" in less than 30 days. That means an extra $1/hr, so thats $10/hr after 30 days. You'll also get Health Insurance after 30 days, and Vision insurance after 90, IIRC. You also get up-to 3% matching on your 401k.

And UPS doesn't drug test.
But you will sweat and work hard. If you cannot load more than appx. 250pkgs/hr by your third week on the floor, you will get fired.

If you stick with it and get into a Business degree program, they can promote you to PT Supervisor. 25hrs/week, no overtime pay, but I've been told it is apprx. $3k take home a month.


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