Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2  [ show all ]
Offlinejonathanseagull
Cool!
Male

Registered: 10/28/05
Posts: 993
Last seen: 10 years, 11 days
Re: Is this ignorance? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7704177 - 12/01/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have had spiritual experiences myself. But Faith never became involved. I never extrapolated my experiences into full blown theologies, or connected them with an already existing one. I just took it for what it was. It wasn't evidence of anything that can be defined by a religion of man. Neither is Faith evidence for anything other than hope and a will to believe... a coping mechanism.


--------------------
Loving in truth, and fain in verse my love to show, That the dear She might take some pleasure of my pain: Pleasure might cause her read, reading might make her know, Knowledge might pity win, and pity grace obtain.


Edited by jonathanseagull (12/01/07 08:05 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinea_guy_named_ai
Stranger
Male
Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 767
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Re: Is this ignorance? [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7704481 - 12/01/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If you choose to deny something that's so evident that is your choice. There is a lot of evidence that goes along with it that can be shown in the real world also, that helps to guide one Spiritually. But I know, and also a lot of other people are convicted of the existence of God.

You're not getting it. Faith IS a spiritual experience. It's not just simple belief. It is Spiritual sense and perception. Will you consider that there's more beyond the flesh? I think not to is rather foolish, especially considering all the evidence there is to the contrary.


Edited by jonathan_206 (12/01/07 10:24 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinejonathanseagull
Cool!
Male

Registered: 10/28/05
Posts: 993
Last seen: 10 years, 11 days
Re: Is this ignorance? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7704678 - 12/01/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It appears as denial to you because it is evident to you. It is not evident to me. The experience was evident. The rest is wherever you choose to take it.

And of course, I not only consider, but believe there is more than flesh. There is a transcendence. But I disagree there is any evidence for others other than your own subjective experience. So, while you may have tons of evidence to the contrary, others may have no evidence to the contrary. They may have evidence OF the contrary.

That is the nature of faith. Subjective reasoning. A hope that the experience is some sign of the reality of what you are hoping for. I wouldn't faith is a spiritual experience. I would say it is a longing for a spiritual experience. But I wouldn't push that definition on you. That's mine, and yours is yours. You not sharing my view isn't a threat to my existence, because I don't identify with a belief system. I identify with experience. And nobody can deny me my own experiences, just as I cannot deny yours. But I cannot share them, either.


--------------------
Loving in truth, and fain in verse my love to show, That the dear She might take some pleasure of my pain: Pleasure might cause her read, reading might make her know, Knowledge might pity win, and pity grace obtain.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinea_guy_named_ai
Stranger
Male
Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 767
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Re: Is this ignorance? [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7704736 - 12/01/07 11:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

But I disagree there is any evidence for others other than your own subjective experience.





First of all, if your experience is subjective then why are you stating objective statements about my belief and experience?

We are all human. And we all have to face reality. It cannot be avoided. The evidence in the outside world tells us we all have minds reason and human emotion. There is much evidence to support that we have a common perception. It is how we communicate thoughts and feelings to others. And in practice it works and we can sympathize with others.

I think you overlooked another statement I made. I said that there are only 2 ways to be sure of what you know of what you perceive in the natural world. One is to know everything. The other is to have spiritual comprehension of God's nature. Since God is eternal we can trust that he is the end all and standard by which we determine all things. And we can trust what he shows us because he is all knowing and all wise.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2  [ show all ]

Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Where does ignorance come from? Droz 1,040 11 09/22/04 05:53 PM
by IamHungry
* Ignorance and Socrates Rahz 2,196 10 11/29/07 04:38 PM
by Noetical
* Ignore Implications
( 1 2 all )
fireworks_godS 4,025 27 01/30/07 05:21 PM
by fireworks_god
* Is Ignorance Bliss?
( 1 2 all )
dblaney 3,271 36 10/09/05 07:28 PM
by MushmanTheManic
* Ignorance is bliss TonguesInAspic 2,198 19 05/03/06 08:12 AM
by fearfect
* Ignorance is bliss.
( 1 2 3 all )
psyka 3,669 51 11/20/07 02:54 PM
by Ego Death
* ignorant bliss or an enlightned nightmare ?
( 1 2 all )
lucid 2,734 26 05/28/03 11:56 AM
by atomikfunksoldier
* Ignorance is bliss…
( 1 2 all )
Gomp 1,821 21 10/06/06 02:00 PM
by wahtdafuk

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
2,642 topic views. 1 members, 19 guests and 4 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.025 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 14 queries.