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F1234K
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: johnm214]
#7716089 - 12/04/07 03:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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SPAM FOR RON PAUL!... you know you want to :D [Re: geokills]
#7717076 - 12/04/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, here's a message I just sent out to 60 people that I more or less regularly correspond with... just thought I'd paste a copy here to encourage other Ron Paul supporters to compose their own or plagiarize mine (I won't mind!).
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Greetings friends and family, old and new!
If you feel that the federal government has been acting irresponsibly, by running our currency into the ground through rapidly rising debts, over-regulating American business, restricting free trade, over-stepping its constitutional authority by deciding issues that ought to be decided at the state level, intervening in foreign affairs that are none of our business, and offering suspect justification for making the federal government more powerful and bigger than ever... Well then, I strongly urge you to take a look at the political positions of Dr. Ron Paul, a Republican presidential candidate for the 2008 election.
Now I'm not saying - by ANY stretch of the imagination - that Dr. Paul is the perfect candidate, but I am most certainly leaning towards the position that he is the best suited candidate for positive change that is currently in the running for the 2008 election. I believe Ron Paul is capable of reducing government spending and working to eliminate failed or languishing government programs that don't serve to protect our people and instead hinder an efficiently run state.
If you are concerned about the direction our powerful country will take from here, even if you are an apathetic critic of the entire political process, I implore you to do your own due diligence by visiting www.RonPaul2008.com and in particular, reading his collection of essays in order to understand his stance on various hot topics. Indeed, you should be doing this for any candidate you are interested in - god forbid reliance on only network television and popular print media!
Essays by Dr. Paul: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles Political Positions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul Voting History: http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=296 Inspirational Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA
Take the time to educate yourself. I am especially interested to hear of your objections, so please don't hesitate to speak your thoughts!
And if you find yourself agreeing with this man's general principle, please consider affiliating yourself with the Republican Party NOW, so that you may show your support during the rapidly approaching presidential primary voting process. For a list of party change deadlines in your state, please visit: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/primary-and-caucus-information/
Remember, only a small percentage of the eligible voting population shows up for the primary elections. This is where the greatest potential for individual influence exists! So please register or re-register as a Republican today if you believe Ron Paul, with his unusually consistent voting history and desire for smaller government and free market capitalism, can help shake things up in our country for the better!
Thank you for your time, and I wish you all a Happy Holiday season,
PS. I encourage you to forward this message to your friends and family as well, if you wish!
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Ythan]
#7717954 - 12/04/07 11:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Please give the tail-end of Libertariansim, Ythan.
It's a shit-wash on the economics--I mean, you want to fuck the poor in every category possible--sure, vote Libertarian.
Personal freedom is a hell of a lot different than national moral fiscal responsibility.
Fuck Ron Paul.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Innominate]
#7717960 - 12/04/07 11:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Innominate said: I like Ron Paul, and I would like him to win, but let's be serious for a moment here- he doesn't stand a chance. That's the reality of it. Anyone who thinks other wise is just fooling themselves and setting themselves up for a big let down come primary time.
Your judgement is worth nothing without a line of reasoning for it... which you do not have.
Feeling certain about something that hasn't happened yet when you clearly know little about the primaries only makes yourself look foolish. At least I like to look less foolish by providing some information to consider in forming a viewpoint.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: GnuBobo]
#7717991 - 12/04/07 11:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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GnuBobo said: Personal freedom is a hell of a lot different than national moral fiscal responsibility.
And what of personal responsibility? Most individuals in this country are capable of providing for themselves, and they want to be enabled to do so, and they don't want the government taking away their sovereignity.
Federal, moral, fiscal responsibility is to eliminate the federal government's unnecessary expanse. It is horribly inefficent to operate a federal government like that, as individual state's are more capable of taking care of themselves as their rights are restored as states. Why take money out of an economy to give it back in subsidies? It makes no sense. We don't need the vast majority of the federal government.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7717997 - 12/04/07 11:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What is Paul's position on retarded and disabled people who can't work?
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7718001 - 12/04/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Throw them to the wolves.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7718008 - 12/04/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: What is Paul's position on retarded and disabled people who can't work?
why should he have one?
Why is it the federal government's role to care for these folks? If a state wishes to socialize healthcare, let them.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7718011 - 12/04/07 11:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seriously, though, he still wants to help those who need help, but thinks that the majority of people that don't want the government to take their money to manage their retirement and medical care should be able to take care of their own money.
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F1234K
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7719056 - 12/05/07 10:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Throw them to the wolves.
Pagans sent them into the woods to get eaten by wolves.
I think genetic engineering is helping out in this area.
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monstermitch
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: F1234K]
#7719123 - 12/05/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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 I suggest all of you folks who have no idea what you're talking about to read the above link, in full.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: monstermitch]
#7719179 - 12/05/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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That tie kicks ass.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7719371 - 12/05/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've said before that I love the guy and agree with him on more topics than the other candidates, but he has absolutely no chance of locking up the Republican primary. I'd love to see it, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Redstorm]
#7719514 - 12/05/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just posted to your similar comments in a thread in the Politics forum, so, for the people here, I'll post that reply here as well.
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Two weeks ago, no one would have said that Huckabee would be leading the national polls. The only two candidates of the Republicans that are on an upward trend are Huckabee and Ron Paul.
I don't think Huckabee's lead is sustainable. His rise, however, will only allow for Ron Paul to rise as well. For one thing, Huckabee's mouth has been stealing lines from Ron Paul, which doesn't make what he is saying sound so fringe. Giuliani and Mitt Romney have only been holding those high percentages for two reasons - name recognition, and money, respectively.
Now, you have Huckabee leading the polls, and on what? It isn't name recognition, and it certainly isn't money.
Now, Ron Paul is raising more money than any other GOP candidate now, and he spends his money much more effectively. His valuable money is pouring into the first-state primaries, and so is his grass-roots support. He's getting his delegates in place. December is going to launch Ron Paul to the next level of his campaign. He's going to the top-tier, all the signs are there.
Giuliani is fading more and more every day, from reports of criminal cronies appointed, spending tax-payer money in the Hampton's, to his links to terrorists. Couple that with his increasing irrelevancy as he stays Bush's course (duh! no one will vote for that! ), and its good-bye Giuliani. Mitt Romney has been buying his poll numbers, but Huckabee is set to take Mitt Romney down, as he has him covered on everything.
Of course, Huckabee is fleeting. His tax-hike record and his controversies with letting rapists go to rape and murder stand agansit him. So does his lack of actual voter support. McCain has been suffocating, and Fred Thompson will become less relevant than he already is.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7719560 - 12/05/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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But the thing id, Huckabee isn't Paul. The two are completely different people. Huckabee has been a much more mainstream figure since candidates were beginning to enter.
The thing is with money is that it can't win you an election. Money at first is good because it offers the3 candidate the name recognition. After that, however, money (no matter how much is raised) has diminishing returns.
I'm not saying that the other candidates are solid; I'm just saying that no one has any hard evidence that Paul is going to shoot up in the polls like Huckabee did.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Redstorm]
#7719677 - 12/05/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My point is that there is a lot more information with which you can determine what is happening "before it happens" in the MSM. I haven't predicted that Huckabee was going to leap in the polls like that, but I haven't predicted that Ron Paul would, either. I had, however, noticed in the last couple weeks that Huckabee was gaining a lot of support in Iowa. The fact that he has been carried so far by that and a strong debate performance signifies a lot about how dynamic this race is. I think this speaks for the fact that politics are changing as those who are involved with politics are changing, as well as the reasons why. Ron Paul's support speaks for this.
Yes, Huckabee has been more mainstream, but that will work against him as well. He's gaining a lot of attention as everyone is focusing on him, to see if he's viable. The media has been flirting with Ron Paul a little before this, and they were surprised, interested, but a little too skeptical. They are quicker to support Huckabee because he is more mainstream, but Huckabee does not represent the people that the party needs to support the candidate they choose, if they wish to succumb by a take-over by the Democrats. The Republican party is only going to be severely hurt if they don't make it happen with the presidential elections, because it seems evident that the Democrats will take Congress with more grip.
Huckabee couldn't stand up for the Republicans and take down Hillary Clinton. Ron Paul could, because he has thirty years of a tight voting record and precedent for holding the stances he still holds today, and conveys his ideas in a way that resonates in the American people. Ron Paul tends to transcend the aspects of politics that the American people have been apathetic and now even angry about. Not only that, but his stances on the issues are the most reasonable and actually address the strongest concerns of the American people. Hillary Clinton, who loves to talk about her experience, doesn't really have any experience as an elected representative. A lot of people think she is too calculating and that she represents what they do not like about politics, and a lot of people will not vote for her in any circumstance. Her lead in the Democratic race has suffered recently.
Finally, I refer to his financial success both as a sign of support and also his ability to generate name recognition. His efforts in the last month to this end in the early-primary states and a little further ahead have been very effective. The prospects for this month are pretty solid, especially as they aren't looking so great for nearly everyone else he is running against.
The Republican Party has been trying to contain him, because they know the powerful effect he is having by spoiling the support for people like Giuliani, who they felt they could prop up. They've grabbed Huckabee now, but as Ron Paul's support makes its presence known on 12/16, and all of these efforts the official campaign and the grass-roots effort have been putting into the early primary states, they'll have no choice but to support him as their candidate, and they'll be so much better for it.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7719846 - 12/05/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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you are all forgetting one main point:
who owns the news stations. and who owns the papers and organizations that make the poll numbers.
where do you think these poll numbers come from?
they're not real. they're designed to sway the election and the votes.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: monstermitch]
#7719915 - 12/05/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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monstermitch said: you are all forgetting one main point:
who owns the news stations. and who owns the papers and organizations that make the poll numbers.
where do you think these poll numbers come from?
they're not real. they're designed to sway the election and the votes.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: F1234K]
#7719919 - 12/05/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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monstermitch said: you are all forgetting one main point:
who owns the news stations. and who owns the papers and organizations that make the poll numbers.
where do you think these poll numbers come from?
they're not real. they're designed to sway the election and the votes.
You have no proof for any of this.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Redstorm]
#7720920 - 12/05/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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