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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: DepthToTheCore]
#7708465 - 12/02/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm Canadian but if I was American I would vote for him in an instant. Like notorious said, it's not just Americans who want to see Ron Paul become elected.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7708634 - 12/02/07 09:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I donated 10 to the Paul campaign for a name change woo hoo
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: dr_gonz]
#7708643 - 12/02/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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right fuckin on ythan!!
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Ythan]
#7708648 - 12/02/07 09:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ythan said: The Shroomery was founded on the notion of individual liberty; that your body is your own,
Communist Hippie!
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: RuNE]
#7709643 - 12/03/07 04:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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RuNE said: So he's approving more kids growing up in less than ideal positions because abortion was not an option? Poverty, abuse, abandonment and RAPE fall upon a lot these kids who are born unwanted. Never really understood how somone advocating free choice and all that jazz can be against a choice that big. Bringing a life into this nutty world that is. With abortion illegalized, there is only 2 things that can happen: The woman risks her life with dangerous home practices, such as the trusty coathanger. Or, the kid is born into an environment not really to the best ideal for a child. This is not guaranteed, as I know a few examples of unwanted kids that have 'made it', but the ratio of unwanted kids with bad lives far outweigh the ones with good ones.
First off, he is a doctor that has given birth to 4,000 babies. When he witnessed an abortion performed as an observer, he says his life changed that day, as he saw it performed, the baby was placed in a bucket and everyone in the room pretended they didn't hear it screaming.
He considers it an act of violence. He knows the federal government has no place passing legislation or law regarding abortion. It is within the authority of each state, which, as he has said, doesn't need a federal stance regarding acts of violence, such as murder.
Furthermore, he feels that the federal government is much less capable of truly representing the American people, and feels that the states should have their authority restored. He knows his view on abortion is not the only view, and that, with very complex issues such as this, the solution is to have the decision made at a level closest to the individual as well.
He asserts that, within five days, it is impossible to legally prove that there ever was a pregnancy. There are means to prevent a pregnancy within five days of it occuring, he says, and that, in delicate situations such as rape, there is plenty of time to prevent the pregnancy.
His personal belief is distinct from his outlook on it politically, which is probably the most effective answer to settling this matter. He has said that clearly some states will illegalize it, while others won't. Case in point, South Dakota illegalized it and then a referendum overturned it. He has said that a woman wouldn't even have to move to another state to have it done in a state where it was legal. Perhaps that isn't the most convienent for someone who wishes to have an abortion, but clearly an abortion isn't a convienent matter in the first place.
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Would someone like to explain this to me, and how it is a good thing? I see this as a superpower wanting to act on it's own without having to explain itself to anyone. (edit: officialy)
Ron Paul sees NATO and the UN as levels of government that exist beyond the government the American people chooses to have represent them, and that these levels of government, in which the American people have no true representation, can threaten to supercede the sovereignity of this country.
Ron Paul's clear conception of what our foreign policy should be (written books, actions as Congressman, etc.) suggests that it isn't in the interest of not being constrained by having to answer to other countries. Ron Paul favors free trade, for instance, but feels that it is the responsibility of Congress to manage trade, instead of an unelected level of government. The idea of an unelected level of government acting over the elected level of government is the idea that Ron Paul likely opposes most. This is evident when his view on the Federal Reserve is considered as well.
Ron Paul favors commerce and diplomacy with all nations, entanglements with none. The UN, or NAFTA, or the WTO, are entanglements that take away our ability to act in our own best interests. They tie our hands, and not in a way that prevents us from satisfying some desire to go spill blood wherever we wish. When the power of government is centralized away from the sovereignity of individual countries, the rights and voices of individuals, the people, will be further impeded.
For example, look at the War in Iraq. Most Americans want us out, they voted a majority of Democrats into Congress to try to effect that change, and now only one presidental candidate has said he can guarantee troops out of Iraq by 2013. Ron Paul wants the troops out as soon as the operation would take to occur after the orders are given. The further power is centralized out of the hands of the individual, the less capable individuals are of making and influencing decisions that effect the course of their lives. A majority of Americans can't snap their fingers and demand that we are out of the war of Iraq, do to the nature of bureaucracy and the limitations of our government's order, so how it will it be when the UN is making these decisions?
Ron Paul is for having an attitude of non-intervention, and this is in respect to the idea that Americans would probably not like to have foreign forces in our own nation, intervening in our economic and police affairs. Our relations with other nations should be dynamic and consciously-decided, through the framework of the Constitution, which gives the Congress authority over trade, over the decision to go to war. The Congress represents the people. These organizations supercede our sovereignity and render the Constitution powerless. What you will see if power continues to be centralized into world organizations is what you see in California, where the people of California have used their government to legalize medicinal marijuana, but yet the federal government has the authority (in this case, an unconstitutional authority) to supercede California law and arrest those who need it and those who provide it.
Of course, the matters will be much more serious than medicinal marijuana. For example, the UN drafting YOU to go fight in an African country agansit rebels creating a humanitarian crisis. You will have the least amount of representation in their making that decision ever.
The Constitution represents the best interest of the American people, and these organizations threaten to make the Constitution useless.
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ATM, i'm still pretty sceptical on Paul. He seems like a big chunky meatloaf tossed at a starving nation, but who brought that starve around to begin with? Altho, i'll stop there at the risk of sounding like some conspiracy theorist.
Not him. He became a politician, not to be a politician, but because he was deeply interested in studying economics, and he saw the decisions we were making, from removing the gold standard on our currency, to the existance of the Federal Reserve, as serious problems. Ron Paul isn't responsible for the debt resulting from federal spending, or for the inflation and valuelessness of our dollar, as he has been in Congress for ten terms acting agansit it. It is finally, when America is facing the consequences of all of this, that people have started to listen to him.
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For now, i'll join the ranks of "Paul, i hope you're for real" crowd.
Why don't you join the "I'm a fortunate individual who is sitting in front of the computer" crowd, and do some research.
There is a plethora of information out there for anyone interested that is easily-attainable. If you want to watch a video of Ron Paul speak out in Congress agansit the Iraqi War before Congress gave the authority to the President for it, then you can. If you want to read the bills he has introduced, if you want to see how he has voted, if you want to actually learn about an important subject and make informed conclusions and decisions, instead of sitting around and waiting for something to happen that needs your help in making it happen, then all you have to do is make it happen.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7709646 - 12/03/07 04:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The International Criminal Court wants to try American soldiers as war criminals. Now, an American soldier, enlisted or drafted, is simply following orders that its country puts upon it. Should an unelected level of government that is not bound by our Constitution punish American soldiers? The WTO and CAFTA would require doctor's prescriptions in order for Americans to buy vitamins and supplements.
The UN wants to directly tax us, American citizens.
The idea that these organizations are necessary for nations to work together, in the interest of all humanity, is a fallacy.
Each nation is sovereign, independent. Similarily, as our Constitution states, each individual is sovereign. Now, if our federal government passed a law that defined your relationships with other individuals, how would you feel? Wouldn't that impose upon our right to make your own decisions?
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7709653 - 12/03/07 04:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've just got to say that I'm convinced the whole thing is a joke.
The elite already know who's going to be the nominees and who's going to be president.
And they've got all of us busy expending our time, money and energy thinking we actually have something to say about it.
If we want to change things, we simply need to change our own lives and how we spend our $.
How we spend our $ is the only true political power we have.
My research shows that the elite has already decided on Hilary, when she's elected maybe someone might look back on what I'm saying.
Just my 2 cent. Good luck Ron, I hope I'm proven wrong.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7709657 - 12/03/07 04:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: Ron Paul thinks that corporations will play nice if they unregulated, but he is living in a dream world.
Perhaps you don't understand how a free market works?
If people desire service provided to them in a certain matter over another (for example, wanting their Internet activity to not be imposed upon by the provider), then there would be incentive there for a provider to offer their services as the customers desired. I'd have to think that there would be more options for providers if the provider was not regulated.
Regulation places a bureaucracy over Internet Service Providers. We all know how politicians can't be corrupted. Regulation plays into the hands of these monopolies you speak out agansit. If ISP's were more subject to the forces of the free market, then ISP's would exist as the customers wanted them to exist, because the want's of the customer create incentive for the ISP to cater to their interests, because the potential for profit exists.
If an ISP wasn't regulated by the federal government, they would be more capable of competing agansit each other. Regulation simply means the government has more control over how you access the Internet.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Middleman]
#7709661 - 12/03/07 05:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Middleman said: The elite already know who's going to be the nominees and who's going to be president.
And how do they know this?
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If we want to change things, we simply need to change our own lives and how we spend our $.
If we want to change things, then we change things. You apparently do not see much of an avenue through which people can effect change in primary elections for President. Your beliefs limit your perception of the potential for change.
Answer my question regarding your belief, how do they know this, and we can talk about it from there.
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My research shows that the elite has already decided on Hilary, when she's elected maybe someone might look back on what I'm saying.
What constitutes your research?
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7709663 - 12/03/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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From your previous posts it is obvious to me that it is your perception that is limited.
I'm not here to convince you of anything, I was just sharing my opinion.
Keep digging...
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7709664 - 12/03/07 05:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Middleman is right actually.. it's incredibly naive to think that this election hasn't already been decided. Politics is a huge distraction, another false idol meant to take away personal responsibility from fearful humans.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Middleman]
#7709679 - 12/03/07 05:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ahh, of course, refer to an obvious conclusion that isn't obvious or evidenced, and avoid the responsibility of supporting your viewpoint.
Sharing an opinion is one thing, supporting it is another, and I don't see why anyone should consider your conspiracy theory about elites if you'd rather roll your eyes in a "oh my god someone actually wants to discuss in a discussion forum" manner and say nothing of value regarding the subject at hand.
Everyone else: Middleman chooses to not explain how elites can know and decide the outcome of an election that consists of individuals acrossed an entire country to vote before it happens.
Perhaps living in delusion, wherein elites cast your votes for you, feels comfortable. After all, then you don't have to assume responsibility for the role we all play in choosing our government.
To someone who doesn't pay attention, who doesn't know what actually happens in the campaign for a presidental election, or how the American political system works, I'm sure they see what they casually glance at on the television, and then, months later, see the outcome and wonder at the elite magic that makes an election happen. 
I mean, I'd love to go further in proposing a viewpoint wherein elites don't decide presidental elections, but the holder of that viewpoint isn't interested in the possibillity that elites don't actually decide presidental elections. I'm more than prepared to discuss the mainstream media and its role, for example, but who knows if Middleman's belief in elites deciding presidental elections consists of a role of the mainstream media.
I don't know why anyone would want to believe in elites voting for you. They must not know either, or perhaps they'd provide some information as to why they do.
Edit: Reply-to.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7709694 - 12/03/07 05:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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EternalCowabunga said: Middleman is right actually..
Oh, is he? How could he be right, if he hasn't explained how the elite play this role in presidental elections?
Why would we assume he is right if he can't show his work in reaching that conclusion?
Answer: We shouldn't. He isn't right. He gives us no reason to consider his opinion beyond the idea of it being an opinion. An unsupported opinion has zero relevance to reality.
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it's incredibly naive to think that this election hasn't already been decided.
Oh, why? Did the American people already vote and not tell me? Did the candidates who are already proclaimed to not have won not have enough delegates?
WHY is it incredibly naive to think that, by the way?
Any answer?
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Politics is a huge distraction, another false idol meant to take away personal responsibility from fearful humans.
Not ensuring that one is represented in government as one wishes to be represented is an avoidance of personal responsibility. These people will take away your rights as a human being unless you do something about it. See, what is essentially good for one human being is good for all human beings. Human beings naturally wish to be free, to exist within a social order that doesn't impose upon their freedom, that works for the good for all, and human beings will work together to make that happen, if they realize their ability to effect change.
I mean, some humans like to be fucked. They even like to dream that they aren't actually choosing to be fucked. 
Even if there are elites that are using their means to centralize power into their hands, they aren't deciding presidental elections. We are. This is why I asked Middleman how, because I have an undeniable response to what I suspect to be his answer regarding the flow of information, but why discuss when we can feel right?
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7709730 - 12/03/07 06:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, I don't live in the U.S. and so I haven't got a clue about these guys, but I've got a question for you...
What is wrong with Obama? Isn't he the guy who inhaled?
or is it that it is so clear that Hillary is going to be the democrats candidate that Ron Paul is the best option even for those who aren't normally republican?
Just trying to understand
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Nibin]
#7709751 - 12/03/07 06:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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One of the biggest things wrong with Obama is that he has the attitude that our foreign policy right now, which isn't really that common in the history of America as a whole, is justified, in that he couldn't say, in the role of the President of the United States of America, the Commander In Chief of the military, that he guarantees the troops out of Iraq by 2013.
Obama likes to present himself as representing change in politics, but its clear with his stances on the issues that he wouldn't really be promoting any change. He is for the centralization of power away from American people. He has no real intention of controlling federal spending or lessening this country's debt. He's voted to use federal money to "protect" rural economies, even though it makes much more sense to not tax in the first place, and allow that money to stay in the rural economies. Duh!
He's voted agansit reduced federal spending and doesn't seem to think rating a program's effectiveness in order to assist budget cuts is a good idea, as he voted agansit it. He seems progressive on civil liberties, education, crime... but all signs look that he'd further the expanse and spending of the federal government, which is the worst thing that can happen with this country right now.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Middleman]
#7710359 - 12/03/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey yanks, you all better vote for this guy, i'm sick and tired of the rest of the world being fucked over by americas war on drugs.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: druqs]
#7710495 - 12/03/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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FYI to everyone. I love Ron paul and support him, but doubt he'll get the republican nomination. FIREWORKS_GOD disagrees with me.
I challenged him to a bet on that... saying the winner gets to pick the loser's avatar for a month.
He's too chicken to take me up on the bet. Everyone... heckle and peer pressure him until he submits!
BKAWK!! BKAWK!!!
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: BrAiN]
#7710616 - 12/03/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My avatar decision-making cannot be influenced by entanglements stemming from my predictive views on the presidental primaries. 
I did, however, bet someone at work a breakfast that Ron Paul would get the nod from the Republicans. I just don't bet on avatars.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7710860 - 12/03/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think if you were a woman I'd propose to you.
I dunno what it is about well formulated political debate (idiot bashing) that amuses me so but good work.
As far as this election I'm just incredibly happy that I'm actually being able to chose the candidate I like more, not the one I hate less.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: F1234K]
#7711206 - 12/03/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Vote Ron Paul... and tell your friends, family, and brother's uncle's sister to do so as well. He's the best hope for America. ~!
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