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monstermitch
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7768778 - 12/17/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I said what I meant to say. I understand his point, he states that the corporate (mainstream) media is unbiased. That they report poll numbers on people who's name is recognizable, and that if Ron Paul's name becomes recognizable, he'd show up in the polls too. They don't have bias between candidates, they just poll a few folks, who give honest answers, and they honestly report those answers. Saying basically the media is unbiased and honest.
Which is so far from the truth it's not even funny.
if you're so smart though, why don't you tell us why you're right, I have no idea what I'm talking about, and he's wrong?
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: monstermitch]
#7768925 - 12/17/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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From Ronpaul2008.com:
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Ron Paul Raises $6 Million in One Day (12/17/07)
Candidate has most successful fundraising day in American political history
ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA -- Congressman Ron Paul’s presidential campaign had a record fundraising day yesterday.
In a 24-hour period on December 16, the campaign raised $6.026 million dollars, surpassing the one-day record of $5.7 million held by John Kerry.
During the day, over 58,000 people contributed to Dr. Paul’s campaign, including 24,940 first-time donors. Over 118,000 Americans have donated to the campaign in the fourth quarter. The $6 million one-day total means the campaign has raised over $18 million this quarter, far exceeding its goal of $12 million.
"We have the right message: freedom, peace and prosperity," said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "We also have the right candidate: Dr. Ron Paul."
Congressman Paul will be campaigning in Iowa today and will be holding a press conference at 12:45 pm at the Des Moines Marriott in the Des Moines Room.
Thanks for all that contributed, especially yesterday! Largest single day political contribution in US history should certainly get some attention.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: monstermitch]
#7772772 - 12/18/07 03:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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monstermitch said: oh, so you're telling me the corporate owned media is unbiased?
yeah, you keep on believing that. I can't believe you're serious.
No, I'm not telling you that, because every source of information, yourself included, is biased. The question is to what extent they are biased, and the nature of the bias that they hold. Some media is less biased than other media, and some media is slanted to one extreme, whereas another is slanted towards another.
My point is that none of the mainstream media is biased to the extent that they orchestrate the race. There still has to be a story, and there is always going to be facts to the story. My secondary point was that the media cannot contain Ron Paul, and that they have to cover him, and that the nature of the context in which they place him will change as the race changes. It already has changed, and it is still changing. They cannot keep saying he doesn't have a chance when he places well in early primaries and as his standings in the polls increase. I recall one newspaper that printed that Eisenhower lost before the results were in, and Eisenhower had actually won. The mainstream media cannot dictate reality, and there is only a limited margin in which they can distort reality.
My main point was that your whole post was completely unoriginal thought. Anyone can parrot tired old rhetoric. It isn't your fault, I wasn't holding it agansit you personally, I was simply calling a spade a spade. The fact that this perspective you propagated was reflective of the race two-three months ago suggests how much has happened that you have missed.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: circularvortex]
#7772776 - 12/18/07 03:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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circularvortex said: Thanks for all that contributed, especially yesterday! Largest single day political contribution in US history should certainly get some attention.
It didn't get too much attention. Michael Bloomberg and John McCain receiving an endorsement from Joe Lieberman received much more coverage. The largest single-day political contribution in US history will receive a lot more effective use, as money, than attention it will generate. Vying for media attention like this is folly, but the money has a greater purpose.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: monstermitch]
#7772797 - 12/18/07 04:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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monstermitch said: I understand his point, he states that the corporate (mainstream) media is unbiased.
I didn't state that; no, you do not understand my point. See previous post.
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That they report poll numbers on people who's name is recognizable, and that if Ron Paul's name becomes recognizable, he'd show up in the polls too.
These polls are slanted agansit Ron Paul, but it has nothing to do with specific bias agansit Ron Paul. The nature of these polls have always been this way. These polls offer a limited view of a candidate's support, and exaggerates others, as they are based on name-recognition, but the simple fact is that, regardless, that is the candidate that they would vote for at that time. It might be a very limited viewpoint, but it still shows a representation.
The fact that Ron Paul has doubled his standings in these polls in the last month suggests that, as he has become more recognizable, he has increased in the polls. I think that, alone, disproves the unoriginal rhetoric you are propagating.
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if you're so smart though, why don't you tell us why you're right, I have no idea what I'm talking about, and he's wrong?
I've already demonstrated that the media isn't standing agansit Ron Paul. Ron Paul does receive favorable coverage in the media. The simple fact is that the media has limited measures of support, and these measures naturally slant agansit Ron Paul's support, by their nature (not intent), and this is why he doesn't receive as much coverage.
The fact is, it isn't about coverage right now. It is about campaigning, and Ron Paul's movement transcends these misconceptions of the mainstream media's influence. The fact remains that the race hasn't really even begun yet. Ron Paul has a very strategic standing right now that will play out to his favor, and not a lot of other candidates can say that. Apparently you fell asleep six months ago.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7774964 - 12/18/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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not to get off topic here, but is the fund raiser just for donations or does purchasing yard sings through his web site count as well?
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: iateshaggy]
#7775002 - 12/18/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Monstermitch, you're pretty much right about the corporate polls and standings. I've looked at multiple ones and ron paul's name is nowhere to even be found. He'd make a great president but as of now he doesn't stand a chance in hell. Which doesn't make sense because he raised so much money via the internet and it seems like he has a pretty big following 
These things definitely sway public opinion and votes.
I think I got my hopes up too fast about this guy, it was too good to be true. I was naive enough to think the US would allow such a cool president to get in office.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Robo]
#7775029 - 12/18/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ron Paul on Glenn beck right now!
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Chemy]
#7775046 - 12/18/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Chemy said: Ron Paul on Glenn beck right now!
Thanks
Do I have great timing or what 
EDIT: If I did not have a final in 45 min, I would get a 18 pak and celebrate.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Robo]
#7775396 - 12/18/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Omni said: I think I got my hopes up too fast about this guy, it was too good to be true. I was naive enough to think the US would allow such a cool president to get in office.
You do realize that the race for the nomination has really just begun, don't you?
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: fireworks_god]
#7775436 - 12/18/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I watched about 3 hours of news coverage today on 3 different channels. Most all of the talk was about the Republican race. I did see some stuff on Hillary, Bill, Magic and good ole G. Bush. But most of the talk was about the Republicans.
Never heard the words "Ron Paul." Not a single time.
I sure hope his grassroots campaign is having an effect, but if you were to ask the media, they'd tell you he's not even considered a contender....
I'm still hitting the streets again tomorrow though. I'm passing out a bunch of stuff and trying to get people to educate themselves. I'll be damned to just watch this chance go by, however pessimistic I am.
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#7775526 - 12/18/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: Chemy]
#7775895 - 12/18/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Chemy said: Did you see Ron Paul on Glenn Beck tonight? Great show, a whole hour dedicated to Ron!
One thing infuriated me, supposed RP supporters threatening Glenn Beck?
Ya WTF was that about. I tried to find that video, but no luck. Glenn said it was on the internet.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: abesh]
#7776406 - 12/19/07 02:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Does voting really have an effect on the outcome? Look at the extent of corruption in our gov. I cannot believe that the voting process isn't just as fucked. It might be to the extent that they have people under the influence of the mind control technology IN PLACE to vote for who they want in office but either way 'Don't believe in the system to legalize or give you your freedom. You want rights, ask them to read 'em.'-Spearhead
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: monstermitch]
#7778195 - 12/19/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I heard something about him yesterday. Not sure what channel he was on, but they mentioned him and the tea party thing for a fair amount of time.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: bukujutsu]
#7781112 - 12/20/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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FUCK THE FEDS IN THEIR TIGHT ASSHOLES! www.educate-yourself.org Ron Paul is not your friend, none of them are, an if he is there is no way in this hell he will make it into office. Wake the fuck up.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: symbiotic]
#7781145 - 12/20/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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symbiotic said: FUCK THE FEDS IN THEIR TIGHT ASSHOLES! www.educate-yourself.org Ron Paul is not your friend, none of them are, an if he is there is no way in this hell he will make it into office. Wake the fuck up.
Let me be the first to point out how much bullshit is on this website.
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: symbiotic]
#7781197 - 12/20/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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symbiotic said: FUCK THE FEDS IN THEIR TIGHT ASSHOLES! www.educate-yourself.org Ron Paul is not your friend, none of them are, an if he is there is no way in this hell he will make it into office. Wake the fuck up.
why don't you explain your position? People coming in and giving an unsuported opinion (no a top-level URL doesn't count, I'm not going to read an entire site) isn't helpful to anyone. Maybe it makes you feel better, but explain why Paul isn't friendly to my beliefs. Explain why he's not helpful if he doesn't make it to office?
A candidate such as him allready catching 10% in traditional polls in some areas at this stage is certainly an effect, and not because of the chances that candidate will make it to the presidency, but for the indication of how many "traditional republican voters" one can reach without much money or media time.
People agreeing w/ the mans position clearly exist. THis is good news
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: symbiotic]
#7781219 - 12/20/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Fund-raiser for Freedom! Supporter Accounts, Name Changes, Classifieds [Re: symbiotic]
#7781234 - 12/20/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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