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Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA]
#7701092 - 11/30/07 10:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack November 30, 2007 - wdsu.com
NEW ORLEANS -- Four firemen are accused of selling crack, heroin, cocaine, hydrocodone and Valium -- so much, federal agents said, that they had to rent a home to store it all.
"We're very, very, very disappointed in the actions of these four individuals, and you won't find any sympathy or pity in any firefighter in this city," Fire Chief Charles Parent said.
Most disturbing to federal officials is the amount of heroin being sold.
"It's the type of drug that causes a lot of property crimes and other violent crimes," the Drug Enforcement Agency's William Renton said. "It's very disturbing to see significant quantities of heroin sold in our area again."
According to prosecutors, the four firemen were assigned to three different fire stations -- two in New Orleans East and one on Esplanade.
The indictment says Wayne Williams II made most of the drug sales and packed a pistol when doing business -- some of it "at or in the vicinity of more than one of the firehouses," U.S. Attorney Jim Letten said.
"This is an aberration," Parent said. "It is not normal behavior of our firemen, and on a personal note, I'd like to apologize to the citizens of New Orleans."
Federal investigators said Parent knew about the investigation and cooperated fully.
All of those involved -- the four firefighters and two others -- face up to life in prison if convicted.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: veggie]
#7701473 - 12/01/07 12:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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face up to life in prison if convicted.
pff, that's wacked.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7701615 - 12/01/07 01:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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so is selling heroin in mass amounts though. Life in prison may be harsh but i think these people do deserve to serve time in prison. a life sentence is to much though.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: GigaHurtz1]
#7701795 - 12/01/07 04:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well you break it down, you got 5 different substances all with intent to distribute, thats five felonies. Then you add the weight on top and it sounds like its enough to be trafficking. The fact that the fireman did this just informs me how much better it would have been if that city had stayed underwater
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: GigaHurtz1]
#7701919 - 12/01/07 07:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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GigaHurtz1 said: so is selling heroin in mass amounts though. Life in prison may be harsh but i think these people do deserve to serve time in prison. a life sentence is to much though.
you wouldnt want to do time if you got caught with a pound of pot would you? regardless of the drug noone should have to go to jail for it.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: wortiesbo]
#7702064 - 12/01/07 08:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Idk worties, i think that if you are pompous, douchebag, or unlucky enough to get caught trafficing substances... then you kind of have it comin to ya. The only exception in my mind should be pot, shrooms, peyote, and anything in its natural form. It pretty much just limits it to those and several other ethneogens and pyschoactive plants and animals. Jail for possession of vegetation, mushrooms, cactus... come on. As for these schmucks, they abused the trust given to them by the community, and instead flooded New orleans streets once again, but this time it was the Brown dope that was making its ways into the walls and lives of the city.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: hooksbooks]
#7702148 - 12/01/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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hooksbooks said: Idk worties, i think that if you are pompous, douchebag, or unlucky enough to get caught trafficing substances... then you kind of have it comin to ya. The only exception in my mind should be pot, shrooms, peyote, and anything in its natural form. It pretty much just limits it to those and several other ethneogens and pyschoactive plants and animals. Jail for possession of vegetation, mushrooms, cactus... come on. As for these schmucks, they abused the trust given to them by the community, and instead flooded New orleans streets once again, but this time it was the Brown dope that was making its ways into the walls and lives of the city.
ridiculous.
you suck.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: hooksbooks]
#7702176 - 12/01/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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hooksbooks said: Idk worties, i think that if you are pompous, douchebag, or unlucky enough to get caught trafficing substances... then you kind of have it comin to ya. The only exception in my mind should be pot, shrooms, peyote, and anything in its natural form. It pretty much just limits it to those and several other ethneogens and pyschoactive plants and animals. Jail for possession of vegetation, mushrooms, cactus... come on. As for these schmucks, they abused the trust given to them by the community, and instead flooded New orleans streets once again, but this time it was the Brown dope that was making its ways into the walls and lives of the city.
heroin comes from a plant .. every drug comes from a plant when you think about it.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: GbBaker]
#7702736 - 12/01/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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hooksbooks said: Idk worties, i think that if you are pompous, douchebag, or unlucky enough to get caught trafficing substances... then you kind of have it comin to ya. The only exception in my mind should be pot, shrooms, peyote, and anything in its natural form. It pretty much just limits it to those and several other ethneogens and pyschoactive plants and animals. Jail for possession of vegetation, mushrooms, cactus... come on. As for these schmucks, they abused the trust given to them by the community, and instead flooded New orleans streets once again, but this time it was the Brown dope that was making its ways into the walls and lives of the city.
heroin comes from a plant .. every drug comes from a plant when you think about it.
Right on. So that adds coke, opium, dmt (can get it in Bufo poison. Natural) right? The whole "if it grows in the ground its ok" logic is such BS man. Poison Hemlock grows in the ground but your not gonna throw a bunch of it into your next batch of tea are you? To me, limiting yourself to only natural things, in this day and age, is archaic and without logic. Sure I'm down for not having so many pesticides and preservatives in everything but ya can't go overboard. That being said, prohibition is stupid, New Orleans is stupid, those four retards were stupid. Sorry if you live in New Orleans but how smart can you be collectivly as a city when you just had the worst natural disaster you've ever seen completely level your city..... And you build it right back in the same damn spot. Bravo. Can't blame FEMA for that dude saying he wanted a Chocolate New Orleans. Racist prick.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: GbBaker]
#7702746 - 12/01/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. heroin does not come from a plant 2. not every drug comes from a plant even by the definition I believe you're using for "comes from" i.e. one of the reagents can be derived from a plant or is commonly derived from a plant
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: johnm214]
#7702777 - 12/01/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So then sugar should be illegal? I mean it isnt sugarcane itself but processed from it.... So that makes sugar bad right? Cause thats not natural. What about flour and bread? Asprin? Not natural but damn does it help when you just killed a hooker. =D In the middle east they dont have chem labs cooking up heroin. They have field of poppy, harvesting opium, which they will process into heroin. Poppy -> Opium -> Heroin So yeah heroin comes from a plant
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: johnm214]
#7702802 - 12/01/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never stated I believed there is a relevant distinction between a natural substance and a synthetic one, only that heroin is not natural, and every drug is not commonly derived from a plant source, even if you include oil in that definition.
But they do have labs that make heroin. You have to make an ester, which is not technically challenging, it is a reaction that produces a distinct species.
Heroin is not in poppy in any signifigant proportion if at all.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: johnm214]
#7702951 - 12/01/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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also, its not like they were selling something that was relatively harmless. They were selling large amounts of drugs that ruin lives and corrupt people, which is why i believe they deserve a punishment.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: GigaHurtz1]
#7702963 - 12/01/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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They may very well deserve a punishment.
I just don't think the government is the one to decide or to divy it out. Unless they lied about there products (ie. purity or identity) no moral wrong seems to have been commited, and certainly none that should be redressed by the state.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#7703512 - 12/01/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: The fact that the fireman did this just informs me how much better it would have been if that city had stayed underwater
My life would be so much nicer if it had.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: xaeviax]
#7703589 - 12/01/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've lived in New Orleans all my life and all you haters need to shut up. You can't just move a city to a new spot and rebuild it! Come here and see how much fun living here is before you talk shit.
As for the article, this isn't rare. I've had a New Orleans cop hold up a beer bong for me at a party and he even told me to take E! Drugs are everywhere in this city just because of the corrupt officials.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: Znaps]
#7703854 - 12/01/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Znaps said: I've lived in New Orleans all my life and all you haters need to shut up. You can't just move a city to a new spot and rebuild it! Come here and see how much fun living here is before you talk shit.
As for the article, this isn't rare. I've had a New Orleans cop hold up a beer bong for me at a party and he even told me to take E! Drugs are everywhere in this city just because of the corrupt officials.
I did come there. It isnt cool...unless you have no aspirations in life and your soul purpose in life is to be inebriated in one form or another. Dont you feel even a little ashamed that it "isn't rare." Luckily in the short time ive been here I havent had to deal with any cops, but from what I hear from the people around me, the police are not nice.
Sorry to say my friend, but your city isnt nice at all. I cant even bare to watch the local news because all that happens in New Orleans is corruption and murder...some home. Not to mention how disgusting most of the state is, it needs to be cleaned up. New Orleans isnt long for the United States. Its not a matter of if but when the next big hurricane comes...and when it does, no one is going back.
Sorry to sound so insensitive, but this state has not been very good to me.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: johnm214]
#7704772 - 12/01/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: 1. heroin does not come from a plant
You could not make heroin if the poppy plant did not exist.
Whatever, this argument is useless though. Regardless of what people here may think is ok, versus not ok. US law has all this shit, whether purely natural or not as illegal. Those four firemen are like any other drug pushers imo... I wouldnt send them to jail, but thats where theyre going, because they were not discreet enough in a situation that required it.
Lesson here: no matter who you are, If you're selling drugs of ANY kind, especially in large quantities, dont tell anyone who doesnt need to know.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: hooksbooks]
#7705206 - 12/02/07 02:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, I can't believe you guys are defending oppressive prohibishionist drug laws. You have no right to tell me what do do with my body.
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Re: Firemen Accused Of Selling Heroin, Crack [LA] [Re: Znaps]
#7705547 - 12/02/07 04:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Znaps said: I've lived in New Orleans all my life and all you haters need to shut up. You can't just move a city to a new spot and rebuild it! Come here and see how much fun living here is before you talk shit.
As for the article, this isn't rare. I've had a New Orleans cop hold up a beer bong for me at a party and he even told me to take E! Drugs are everywhere in this city just because of the corrupt officials.
I'm sorry but when Katrina hit, where did most of the refugees come? Texas buddy. And so we're stuck with all these lousianins (?) and most of these people spent their goverment checks on stupid shit like rims, designer clothes, handbags, and more useless crap instead of food and shit. Furthermore, the kids put into several high schools in the DFW and Houston areas claimed that Texas wasn't shit, and they were gonna run the school and all this bullshit. Go Lousiana for picking fights with people trying to help you. Secondly, yes, you can find somewhere else to build. Its called construction and expansion and relocation. Thats how city's get built in the first place. You pick a spot with nothing in it and say "We build here!" The fact that the city went in the EXACT SAME SPOT speaks levels about the intelligence. Yeah when the next hurricane hits, act surprised again. Thats my favorite part. Also did they just rebuild the levys the exact same as well? Just wondering cause those held up so nicely last time. And when your law officials encourage you to break the law, theres something very wrong. Dont get me wrong I'm against prohibition, but that kind of corruption just leaves it open for the question, what else are they doing under the table?
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