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Alan Rockefeller
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Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico
#7699420 - 11/30/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This tiny and rare Psilocybe species was found in the place of the P. caerulescens.
This mushroom is found growing right out of the side of sandy stream beds on roots and buried organic debris. It is really hard to see, the largest specimens were still very small. No bruising reaction was observed.
I had a picture of the underside of this one but I deleted it because it was blurry. You couldn't see much on it except that the gills had a purplish-brow color.





We also found one other non-active Psilocybe in Jalisco. It was also very small, darker colored and reminded me of Psilocybe montana. It shared habitat with P. villarrealiae and P. zapotecorum. None of the pictures of that species turned out.
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#7699471 - 11/30/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow, that really looks like an active species despite the lack of bluing. Maybe its just naturally low in psilocin.
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#7699560 - 11/30/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice pictures and cool mushrooms. Did you save the specimens? We continue to be amazed by the Mexico collections.
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: georgeM]
#7699654 - 11/30/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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we sure do , thank for posting this pictures i made a commnet about this specie my last visit to this place with airdog , we find also only two of those , real rare, we found more small caerulescen but this is something else , i have no pictures of it because my baterys dye , but i haver some from the last visit, but are crappy . well here they are ......
 here is one especimen from the 2 of the last picture in the middle surround it for the other specie we did not find this time, is the smal one , the other is another unknow specie from that magical place that share some relation to zapotecorum maybe in that section.as in other place of mexico many species grow here no doub cerulescens dominate but i´m stating to thing the caerulescens maybe be 2 kind . there is so much diferent in the color of the pins sometimes,and other slight detail as cap margin, and well maybe the microscope is the answer...here is the other picture clearly other species are more hing in psilocin this only show the blue reaction when i get home many hour later, but i pick it inmediatly since i knew was special, size does matter.. all my best vibration, i get amazed every day for our finds , every time we are more closer, and closer. lokk like only jalisco is huge and still very unknow, i leats for me .
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: cactu]
#7699825 - 11/30/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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> and well maybe the microscope is the answer...
Next year I will bring a microscope and the proper wires so we can use it around the campfire at night.
I also just ordered a macro lens and a microscope-camera adapter.
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: cactu]
#7699872 - 11/30/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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very nice pictures.
definitely a psilocybe of some kind.
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: Wiseguy]
#7700211 - 11/30/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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that is our first concern wiseguy  now the real question is ,there is no study in that area that iknow this are unique specimen in a unique habitat, with unique properties, so far i don't know of any mushrooms that grow in this type of habitat for example in Popocatepetl, but most be, the thing is that this species are old , i guess even are species Indians use in the area since many sculptures of mushrooms and people holding then in a shaman gesture indicate they long use, the distribution in theory is bast, since 2 different location where with a considerable distance and with the possibilities of perfect habitat in between , also the differences in habitat along the gradient of altitude are great, and the difference in temperature,so far the only study i know more close are from jalisco in ciudad guzman is psilocybe coordispora, are we dealing with one of that specie might be , might be one , the caerulences are a good guess they can easy fall in that category maybe a new variety, or a new species, but for sure in the coordispora section, the one we call zapotecorum maybe pretty well fall in the category of zapotecorum or in that section then the small ones might fall in the section coordispora, and the other in the zapotecorun section maybe, some how i fell that all this species most be some how endemic for the specific habitat they grow, even in jalisco they fallow the same patron , with a microscope we can be able to id some how to section some and see what are more rare, and more representative of a new or rare specie, so the question is still there how many specie are we dealing here and what are they?, kilometer of habitat might indicate more variations. all my best vibration, all gear next year i buy different map today of all Mexico and mountains of jalisco and colima , and buy few book of vegetation of jalisco and colima , is all i need now, study the vegetation, once you understand that is more easy ,.. some how this rest for me is to gather information, i fell like a sponge absorbing all , i have few month to study more, and be prepared , this school is so hard always study ,and learns, ha ha. never end, hope SO....
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: cactu]
#7700343 - 11/30/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is so weird that almost all the fruiting bodies of the actives that you and Cactu post appear in twos. Maybe I have just seen the same mushrooms from many angles ha ha. Ill bet thats it. Whatever the case, you are both appreciated around here. As well as many others. Now that I am done kissing ass....... Have a nice day.
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: Ganzig]
#7701023 - 11/30/07 10:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you are not so wrong your self , they come in pair very often, also form cluster but not as caespitosic as zapotecorum from jalisco(86 fruit bodys).the cluster rarely go as far as 8 mushrooms. ,and zapotecorum is in the other of 1-2-3-6-8-9-12-16-18-23-24-44-55-86....
zapotecorum clusters
   
 this are the small ones ..
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: cactu]
#7704183 - 12/01/07 08:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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sweeeet
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#9698227 - 01/29/09 01:18 AM (15 years, 3 days ago) |
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I know this is an old thread but could this mushroom be Psilocybe lazoi?
Found this on erowid:
"Psilocybe lazoi Singer [this is a doubtful neurotropic species, considered first by Guzmán (1983) as a synonym of P. zapotecorum, but Singer, 1986, claimed that this is a not bluing fungus independent of that of Guzmán, 1983]"
Source: http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info12.shtml
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#9698328 - 01/29/09 02:03 AM (15 years, 3 days ago) |
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Hi, thanks for reminding me about this one.
Psilocybe lazoi is not a bluing species according to Singer.
This one does blue. We found it again this year, lots more collections at different stages of maturity. Its really rare and only grows in this one place, but after a day of searching we found quite a few. I got many pictures of them but the memory card became corrupted. There is a good chance that I loaded them onto Cactu's hard drive before I left Mexico. Maybe he will post them in this thread!
I think its undescribed because nothing from section Zapotecorum is this small and Guzman never studied this mountain.
Samples of this species were sent to Workman this year but they were siezed by US customs. They don't like any "plant material" traveling across the border because it might harbor harmful fungi or insects.
I have 2.75 sterile spore prints, available at no cost to the most advanced serious microscopic researchers only.
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#9698529 - 01/29/09 04:30 AM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Did you resend samples to workman? I ask because he has a microscopy composite for this species.
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#9699522 - 01/29/09 11:19 AM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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The microscopy composite is from a picture I took in '07 and samples Cactu sent in that year.
Next year all the samples won't go out in one envelope. If there are 20 samples I'll put them in 20 envelopes. This strategy works well on even the most draconian of customs. (ie. Australian)
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Re: Unknown Psilocybe species - Colima, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#9699718 - 01/29/09 12:10 PM (15 years, 2 days ago) |
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Excellent advice. 
I never thought of that. I just tried to hide samples in clever packaging.
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