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Californians, Get on this!
    #7699268 - 11/30/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.sos.ca.gov/executive/press_releases/2007/DB07_098.pdf

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Kate Folmar
November 26, 2007 (916) 653-6575
Drug Decriminalization Initiative Enters Circulation
Marijuana. Repeal of Criminal and Civil Penalties. Release from Jail. Statute.
SACRAMENTO – Secretary of State Debra Bowen today announced that the proponents of a new initiative may begin collecting petition signatures for their measure.
The Attorney General prepares the legal title and summary that is required to appear on initiative petitions. When the official language is complete, the Attorney General forwards it to the proponents and to the Secretary of State. The Secretary of State then provides calendar deadlines to the proponents and to county elections officials, and the initiative may be circulated for signatures. The Attorney General’s official title and summary for the measure is as follows:
MARIJUANA. REPEAL OF CRIMINAL AND CIVIL PENALTIES. RELEASE FROM JAIL STATUTE.
Decriminalizes possession, cultivation, transportation, distribution, and use of marijuana or hemp. Provides persons convicted or serving time for non-violent offenses involving marijuana be immediately released from prison, jail, parole, or probation, and be eligible to have their convictions erased. Provides no permit, license, or tax be required for non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of marijuana. Allows doctors to prescribe or recommend marijuana to patients, regardless of age.
Prohibits testing for marijuana for employment or insurance purposes. Bars state from aiding enforcement of certain federal marijuana laws. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Savings in the several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments, which would no longer incur the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. A potential increase of a few million dollars annually in the cost of the state’s Drug Medi-Cal substance abuse treatment program. (Initiative 07-0064.)

The Secretary of State’s tracking number for this measure is 1296 and the Attorney General’s tracking number is 07-0064.

The proponents for this measure, Jack Herer, Charles E. Lepp, George Clayton Johnson, Phyllis Vonderscher, Ronnie Lee Smith, Michael S. Jolson, and Seeva Marie Cherms, must collect signatures of 433,971 registered voters – the number equal to 5% of the total votes cast for governor in the 2006 gubernatorial election – in order to qualify it for the ballot.

The proponents have 150 days to circulate petitions for this measure, meaning the signatures must be collected by April 24, 2008.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: ApJunkie]
    #7699351 - 11/30/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Great, where do I sign up?


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7699480 - 11/30/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Have to say, this is excellent news to come home to right before I start my weekend!


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: ApJunkie]
    #7699618 - 11/30/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Decriminalizes possession, cultivation, transportation, distribution, and use of marijuana or hemp. Provides persons convicted or serving time for non-violent offenses involving marijuana be immediately released from prison, jail, parole, or probation, and be eligible to have their convictions erased. Provides no permit, license, or tax be required for non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of marijuana. Allows doctors to prescribe or recommend marijuana to patients, regardless of age.
Prohibits testing for marijuana for employment or insurance purposes




Good freakin luck with all that!:tongue:


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7699834 - 11/30/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The testing for employment part should be a sepperate issue. A deal breaker for me. It's retarded, but I think employers should be able to rely on retarded criteria for hireing decisions.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: johnm214]
    #7699973 - 11/30/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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The testing for employment part should be a sepperate issue. A deal breaker for me. It's retarded, but I think employers should be able to rely on retarded criteria for hireing decisions.




i strongly disagree with you. employers allow you to drink alcohol, just not at work or before work. they don't do tests to make sure you don't drink on your own personal free time. how is pot any different??

i think it's unfair that some hospitals do drug tests for nicotine and don't allow their workers to smoke. i could understand not smoking at work, but why not at home???

what you do in your own personal time is up to you, not some employer to control.

and the excuse 'well work somewhere else' does not apply in all situations. some of us have to work certain jobs, we have certain degrees or we can't find work somewhere else. philosophers don't even consider this as a valid claim anymore.

i think decriminalizing and prohibiting drug testing for marijuana should go hand in hand. it makes sense.

i am very happy after reading this article. California is awesome. hope it passes as law sometime down the future. one more step towards legalization.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7699994 - 11/30/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Great, where do I sign up?




If you click on the link they have all the contact information you need. I didn't want to copy and paste this lady's personal adress directly in this forum, but you can find it at the bottom of the .PDF.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: usg543]
    #7700225 - 11/30/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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The testing for employment part should be a sepperate issue. A deal breaker for me. It's retarded, but I think employers should be able to rely on retarded criteria for hireing decisions.




i strongly disagree with you. employers allow you to drink alcohol, just not at work or before work. they don't do tests to make sure you don't drink on your own personal free time. how is pot any different??

i think it's unfair that some hospitals do drug tests for nicotine and don't allow their workers to smoke. i could understand not smoking at work, but why not at home???

what you do in your own personal time is up to you, not some employer to control.

and the excuse 'well work somewhere else' does not apply in all situations. some of us have to work certain jobs, we have certain degrees or we can't find work somewhere else. philosophers don't even consider this as a valid claim anymore.

i think decriminalizing and prohibiting drug testing for marijuana should go hand in hand. it makes sense.

i am very happy after reading this article. California is awesome. hope it passes as law sometime down the future. one more step towards legalization.




I agree with everything you say, generally, I just don't think government should interfere with contracts. Whether your agreeing to work for a company or buy a kilo of heroin, keep your word.

I simply think testing for marijuana use should be allowed to a company if the employee consents. I think it is stupid and worthless, but whatever.

I also think the employer should be able to sue for discriminatory testing or other wrongful acts realted to this.


But then again, I overstated my position, I'd still vote for this even if I disagree with the drug testing part.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: johnm214]
    #7700313 - 11/30/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree with everything you say, generally, I just don't think government should interfere with contracts. Whether your agreeing to work for a company or buy a kilo of heroin, keep your word.

I simply think testing for marijuana use should be allowed to a company if the employee consents. I think it is stupid and worthless, but whatever.

I also think the employer should be able to sue for discriminatory testing or other wrongful acts realted to this.


But then again, I overstated my position, I'd still vote for this even if I disagree with the drug testing part.




well if governments did not interfere with contracts we'd all be working in sweatshops under horrible conditions with no rights at all.

i think everyone would agree that the purpose of government is to protect individual rights of its citizens (not saying its the only purpose). why should we allow big businesses to trample our rights??? makes no sense to me. in fact by law there are even certain rights that you are NOT allowed to sign away.

it is your natural right to put what you want in your body (as long as it doesn't harm anyone else). no one should be allowed to take this away.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: usg543]
    #7700364 - 11/30/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think you can logically sepperate the right of a person to his own autonomy from the right of a buisness to likewise do what it likes. By regulating the later, you affect teh former, as people work for buisnesses.

Buisnesses are also a legal fiction in that they are made up of people. How can individuals have rights in a contract amongst themselves, yet not when it is for profit? Or for a legal fiction?

As for your claim we'd be in sweatshops, I hope not, but take alook at the writings of libertarians. They put things more clearly than I could, but I really think the free market is the only way to go.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7700411 - 11/30/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Decriminalizes possession, cultivation, transportation, distribution, and use of marijuana or hemp. Provides persons convicted or serving time for non-violent offenses involving marijuana be immediately released from prison, jail, parole, or probation, and be eligible to have their convictions erased. Provides no permit, license, or tax be required for non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of marijuana. Allows doctors to prescribe or recommend marijuana to patients, regardless of age.
Prohibits testing for marijuana for employment or insurance purposes




Good freakin luck with all that!:tongue:




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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: johnm214]
    #7700412 - 11/30/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i am libertarian, maybe you need to read more. many would be against drug testing in the workplace completely (unless it affects the job).

edit:

"Drug testing deters highly qualified workers from applying. They may be users who do not want to give up their use, or people who are opposed to giving up their privacy, or are civil libertarians. Many employers in high tech industries have discontinued drug testing programs as they limit their ability to hire qualified workers."


the whole idea of libertarianism is "a political philosophy or a family of related political philosophies based on very strong support for individual liberty."

people often mistake them for being only for private businesses, however you'd be surprised that (some) libertarians are actually for environmental rights as well. so they are for putting more environmental restrictions on businesses. when something affects our individual rights, they are strongly against it (in this case the right to breathe clean air, right to drink clean water, etc).

libertarians are widely misunderstood, however this is partially due to the broad range of beliefs of libertarians.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: Noviseer]
    #7700588 - 11/30/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Decriminalizes possession, cultivation, transportation, distribution, and use of marijuana or hemp. Provides persons convicted or serving time for non-violent offenses involving marijuana be immediately released from prison, jail, parole, or probation, and be eligible to have their convictions erased. Provides no permit, license, or tax be required for non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of marijuana. Allows doctors to prescribe or recommend marijuana to patients, regardless of age.
Prohibits testing for marijuana for employment or insurance purposes




Good freakin luck with all that!:tongue:




ha ha seriously.




Yeah, I have to agree they're being a bit overly ambitious about this. completely legalizing all forms of marijuana including releasing past offenders and cultivation sounds fantastic, but unrealistic. Even with legal drugs such as alcohol you're not allowed to make/sell without a license.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: ApJunkie]
    #7700626 - 11/30/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

nowhere does it say legalization, its about decriminalization. there is a difference.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: usg543]
    #7700767 - 11/30/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Not much :shrug:


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: johnm214]
    #7700888 - 11/30/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

How do we get this going in Oregon?

I don't smoke pot, but I know a lot of people who do, and I don't think it should be illegal.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7701725 - 12/01/07 02:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Would love to see it happen, but it won't. They packed way too much shit into that bill.

If it does happen it will be a miracle and I'm moving to California.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7702614 - 12/01/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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How do we get this going in Oregon?

I don't smoke pot, but I know a lot of people who do, and I don't think it should be illegal.


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California law is actually pretty interesting. If California if a certain number of people sign their names on a petition then it automatically is put on the Nov. 2008 ballot and the people of California vote on it. From what I can tell only a hand full of states have this law, and laws like these allow the true California ideals to be voted on in California.

Oregon might have it, it's mostly west coast and east coast states. Very few states in the middle have this set up. It's nice because it really gets the job done.

Who cares if its only decriminalization? It's already decriminalized so doing this will only decriminalize it more. And making it a misdemeanor for cultivation? How great is that! Now people can grow their 5-10 plants and not have to worry about being a convicted felon. I am so pumped for this. I am getting all of my friends to sign for this and have them tell as many people as they can. I'll probably spend a couple weekends MAKING people go sign this thing. The cultivation and alternative jail sentences is what interests me the most.

We take steps in the right direction more and more everyday.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: wireless]
    #7703099 - 12/01/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i agree with it all, but asking for all of it at once is too much (probably). we should think about our bros serving time for committing no moral wrong, get ppl out of jail, and in the meantime we can all still get weed easily enough...


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: sleepy]
    #7703213 - 12/01/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There's nothing wrong with asking for it all at once.

I believe the drug test provision is a big mistake, however. Unnecessary and will create unnecessary opposition to a bill that will have enough problems passing.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: johnm214]
    #7703460 - 12/01/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Talk about an economy booster. You know how many people would move there? I live in Michigan right now and its freezing rain and shitty as hell out right now.

I would love my life 10000 times more if i could smoke and go chill out on the beech. Talk about taking stress off.

I would move to cali if this passed.

The only problem is......what does the federal government say about it.... Like the DEA hates medical mj. whats stopping them for going after all these people since the state police wont do it?

What is the DEA position on this.... thats what i want to know.


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    #7704028 - 12/01/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the DEA's position on this is wrong  :cheer:


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    #7711700 - 12/03/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Not everyone would move to the cities :smile:

Cali is a big place. The whole state has better weather then where i live.

If cali didn't want more people to move there. then why do they advertise on my TV everyday.


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Re: Californians, Get on this! [Re: Available]
    #7712269 - 12/03/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> If you click on the link they have all the contact information you need. I didn't want to copy and paste this lady's personal adress directly in this forum, but you can find it at the bottom of the .PDF.

There isn't much info on how to help, but I wrote a letter to the initiave backers at the address at the bottom of the PDF. I'll update this thread if I hear back.

I am _so_ ready to go out and ask random people for signatures, bring clipboards to parties and fungus fairs, etc.

All I need is a petition form I can print out for people to sign and an address to send in the signatures.


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    #7742040 - 12/10/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I had a hard time finding info on this, and when I got a reply from Dale Gieringer from NORML, I understood why:

It's not a decrim bill, it's a sweeping legalization petition that
Jack has been pushing since 1990. While we support its intent, it
has zero chance of making the ballot & wouldn't pass if it did;
therefore, we don't think its a fruitful use of resources.


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