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Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs
    #7699150 - 11/30/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs
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DALLAS (CBS 11 News) ― A scan of the eye could spill your secrets, if you're taking a drug test in Dallas County. New technology has revolutionized the way violators are tested and caught.

"It's just a light that goes back and forth, and then a bright one that flashes," said State District Judge John Creuzot. "There's no way around it. You can't fool that computer."

The scan compares ocular measurements to a sober baseline from the inner part of the eye.

Judge Creuzot uses the scans in his drug offender program. "This really gives us a big leap forward in our confidence that people are doing well in recovery," he said.

"It keeps you on your toes, not knowing when you're going to be called," said Alberto Salinas, a drug offender. "You're best off just being clean."

About 400 eye scans are conducted at the courthouse every week.

"It's quick and easy," said Cory Butler, another drug offender. "Once you get to know how to do it, it's in and out."

"What it has done is allowed us to reduce the number of urine tests significantly," said Judge Creuzot. "Every time we do that, we save a lot of money."

But most of all, participants say it is motivational.

"That to me just proves to me that I can show everybody that I'm actually clean," said Salinas.


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: johnm214]
    #7699225 - 11/30/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

does that only test for sobriety, or if does it actually test for the presence of drugs?


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: nepalnt21]
    #7699317 - 11/30/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure it doesn't directly measure anything.

Most likely it is used to screen who gets tested w/ a method that is somewhat reliable (urine). I'd guess it only measures sobriety.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/250903eyescanner.html


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: johnm214]
    #7699402 - 11/30/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"That to me just proves to me that I can show everybody that I'm actually clean," said Salinas.


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: sherm]
    #7699670 - 11/30/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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"That to me just proves to me that I can show everybody that I'm actually clean," said Salinas.


haha




I'm mailing Salinas a gold star and a cookie.


But yeah, this test seems idiotic as a measure of prior use. Probably pupil constriction as a function of light intensity, w/ rate of change corresponding inverse liklihood of intoxication.

Interestingly enough though, wouldn't these leave out the stimulants? I believe the iris would be at least as fast w/ stimulants...

hmm...


Then again I knew plenty of people who switched to opioids after getting on probation, they couldn't smoke weed anymore.

Drug testing always has fun sideeffects.


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: johnm214]
    #7699700 - 11/30/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)








Then again I knew plenty of people who switched to opioids after getting on probation, they couldn't smoke weed anymore.

Drug testing always has fun sideeffects.




I did that when I got put on probation


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: pabloescabar]
    #7699821 - 11/30/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly...

Good job prohibition, you've managed to switch people from pot to meth and opioids


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: johnm214]
    #7700409 - 11/30/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ya, i just used my probation time to do some psychedelic soul searching as often as possible.


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: Nephlyte]
    #7701656 - 12/01/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Same story with me. Ive been a pot smoker for years but now find myself taking more and more opiates since being put on probation. Smoking weed is just way to risky.


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: mastacheefa]
    #7701792 - 12/01/07 04:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well damn this is kinda close to home. I guess... But yeah I also heard that pigs are rolling around with something like a blacklight on steroids. They just shine it in your eyes and can tell if you've been drinking or something... Anyone know if thats legit or a myth based on this retina flashy thingy?


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #7702120 - 12/01/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah i have come eye to eye with the retinal beam during a traffic stop. Basically, it is a light which allows them to get a good focus on the pupil of your eye. Tehy'll call you intoxicated if your pupil twitches at all during their silly tests, or your head happens to move when you are trying to focus on the 2 billion candle-power pinpoint light that is only inches from your face and happens to travel all the way to the corners of your eyes. this shit at the courthouse though... probably just a mechanized version of this silly test.


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: johnm214]
    #7702165 - 12/01/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Exactly...

Good job prohibition, you've managed to switch people from pot to meth and opioids




yep. 

the high school i went to started drug testing students this year.  a bunch of the kids that were freshmen when i was a senior have switched from pot to cocaine and ecsasy.  most already did opioids anyways.

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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: johnm214]
    #7702345 - 12/01/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

you can beat these tests by staring PAST the light they tell you to focus on.

my friend did this and passed just recently.


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: wps]
    #7702742 - 12/01/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think false positives are the ideas behind these tests. Give more grounds for searching your car, coming into your home. Damn shame.


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #7704203 - 12/01/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The Eye Check Pupilometer (US invention) resembles a pair of binoculars linked to a computer. It is held to the eye and scans using green light flashing at the pupils three times. It gives an instant reading of the pupil's reaction speed. Those who display slow reaction times in the four-minute test could then face further checks to confirm the presence of drink or drugs. (The scanner cannot distinguish between alcohol and drugs, so use of the equipment would be followed by a swab or urine test.)

The above information was consolidated from a couple of articles found online about the machine. It sound like it is an immobile device, so I don't think it could be used as an excuse to search your car. They are probably working on a mobile version for use in road sobriety checks - look up "Hand-held Pupilometer - US Patent 6022109" - but even then I don't think it could be used as grounds to search your car, as it doesn't differentiate between impairment from alcohol as opposed to illegal substances. I don't know what the rules are in this situation - if pulled over on suspicion of driving drunk, and you fail the test, would they be allowed to search your car for open containers? What happens if they find a joint in the ash tray, but no beer bottles? If put into use on the road, I can see this setting some interesting legal precedents...

I don't see *any* possible way how this device could be used as grounds to search your house, and saying so is frankly just fearmongering. Not every new drug or intoxication testing technology can be reasonably feared as the watershed event that will lead to the creation of a police state society. When they invent a scanning technique that can examine a house from the outside, locate people within the house, and scan their bodies for illegal substances, all from a police car parked on the curb - (maybe a drug testing version of those little scanner spider-robots from Minority Report?) - *then* that would be a reasonable argument.


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: Wingman4l7]
    #7705549 - 12/02/07 04:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The above information was consolidated from a couple of articles found online about the machine. It sound like it is an immobile device, so I don't think it could be used as an excuse to search your car. They are probably working on a mobile version for use in road sobriety checks - look up "Hand-held Pupilometer - US Patent 6022109" - but even then I don't think it could be used as grounds to search your car, as it doesn't differentiate between impairment from alcohol as opposed to illegal substances. I don't know what the rules are in this situation - if pulled over on suspicion of driving drunk, and you fail the test, would they be allowed to search your car for open containers? What happens if they find a joint in the ash tray, but no beer bottles? If put into use on the road, I can see this setting some interesting legal precedents...

I don't see *any* possible way how this device could be used as grounds to search your house, and saying so is frankly just fearmongering. Not every new drug or intoxication testing technology can be reasonably feared as the watershed event that will lead to the creation of a police state society. When they invent a scanning technique that can examine a house from the outside, locate people within the house, and scan their bodies for illegal substances, all from a police car parked on the curb - (maybe a drug testing version of those little scanner spider-robots from Minority Report?) - *then* that would be a reasonable argument.




Ok as for searching your car, cops will use any excuse they can to toss your ride for drugs or weapons or anything they need to bust you for something. Quotas. Its the same reason they teach K-9's to give false detection on cars, so they can legally search it. A little pen light that says your fucked up, well that could be drugs so better check.
The house thing, I don't see it as an immediate response, but I can definatly see down the line how someone on parole fails the eye exam and so they do a nice check for drugs and guns. Maybe I am just paranoid, but as long as the system keeps finding new ways to fuck people outta freedom, I'll keep calling it the way I see it.


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: johnm214]
    #7706940 - 12/02/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Exactly...

Good job prohibition, you've managed to switch people from pot to meth and opioids




Opiods fuck my eyes up 10X more than pot does.

I can hide droopy eyes, but when my pupils are pin-pricks, well, thats pretty obvious.


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7706947 - 12/02/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that is not what this machine measures


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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: johnm214]
    #7707030 - 12/02/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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that is not what this machine measures




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The scan compares ocular measurements to a sober baseline from the inner part of the eye.




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Re: Dallas County Using Eye Scans To Test For Drugs [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7707113 - 12/02/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

From the link I posted earlier (the news article is unclear, saying occular measurments mean nothing):
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The Eye Check Pupilometer, costing £10,000, is held to the eye and scans using green light flashing at the pupils. It gives an instant reading of the pupil's reaction speed. Those who display slow reaction times in the four-minute test could then face further checks to confirm the presence of drink or drugsj
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The issue is how fast you dilate in response to light. If there is a baseline requirment for eye dilation it's not measured.


Really this test is bullshit. It's probably not very rigourusly proven, and only used to screen people for getting a more accurate test. I doubt it's admissable evidence.


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