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substraight
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messed up the easy part
#7698778 - 11/30/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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after making it through the inoculation, and colonization with zero contams I think my friend screwed up during the fruiting stage.
I've heard on this site a few times that fruiting was the easy part. my friend found several ways to screw that up.
he had two cakes and two tupperware dishes with crumbled and cased cakes. I think he started off too dry, then too hot, then too humid and too hot.
result? no fruit on the cakes and one casing with a nasty case of trich (which in its early stages looks a lot like bubbly mycellum to a newb, look out fellow newbs)
here's what he did to try and salvage something from this attempt.
a redunk and reroll for the cakes, he moved the moldy casing out, cut the humidity and heat a bit, increased the FAE
the cakes and the casing seem to be coming back to life (getting a bit fuzzy, looks like mycellum, maybe knots on the casing. no trich or cobweb spotted)
has anyone had trouble like this? does it sound like there's still a shot at a few mushrooms? any suggestions?
he'll try again from spores in a while if this can't be salvaged, but he'd like at least one shroom to make an LC with.
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Re: messed up the easy part [Re: substraight]
#7698825 - 11/30/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not to sound snide, but pf cakes are really fool proof left as pf cakes. If you're wanting to get into something other than cakes, I would reccomend innculating some wild bird seen and going from there.
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substraight
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Re: messed up the easy part [Re: Fraggin]
#7698907 - 11/30/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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fool proof? depends on the fool apparently. I've heard this part was supposed to be easy, but it doesn't seem to be working out.
they were birthed more than 3 weeks ago now, with nuthin'
one issue early on that may be screwing this up, the jars that were inoculated were 1/4 pint. I hear that's too small, which is why he did a super basic 50/50 casing over several crumbled cakes. he only left two as simple dunk n roll style cakes (just to see what happens) and they've never fruited.
he figured maybe he'd end up with just one or two flushes of smallish shrooms, but at least he'd end up with something. maybe not.
for next time there are 1/2 pint jars at the ready.
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Re: messed up the easy part [Re: substraight]
#7698964 - 11/30/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nothing in this hobby is fool proof! 3 weeks after birthing you should have seen something. Even with tiny cakes you're pretty likely to get some tiny fruits. What type of FC are you using, what were the worst of the climate parameters? Sounds like you, er uh, I mean your friend should bury those out back or in a compost pile and start over from scratch. Also, you don't have to have a shroom to make a LC, just a cc of spores or so.
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substraight
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my friend has a tub with about 3-4 inches of damp perlite on the bottom.
I'm not positive about the exact temp or RH since he has no gauges. right after birth he was under the impression that the FC should be about the same temps (80-85) as was needed for the incubation, I think while the temp was high at this point the RH was low. then he thought he wasn't misting enough (cakes blued a bit) so he started misting more (probably too much) and he put a heating pad under the FC using it occasionally (raised the RH and temp). then he got trich.
then he read up more and figured out a few things and tried to start over with what he had left. I don't think I've come across any threads talking about this kind of screw up, maybe it's a first. I hope I learn from it.
the ground is frozen here so outside is no good.
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Re: messed up the easy part [Re: Fraggin]
#7700267 - 11/30/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fraggin said: Not to sound snide, but pf cakes are really fool proof left as pf cakes.
The PF Cake Tek was designed for simplicity. Once you have cakes, fully colonized, the rest is pretty simple. Nominal Temps + Nominal RH and FAE will yield fruits - the desired end result.
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veda_sticks
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Re: messed up the easy part [Re: Fraggin]
#7700635 - 11/30/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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im going to come back to this as im on the tail end of a trip and i'll be able to explain a bit better.
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lemonjello
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Re: messed up the easy part [Re: Fraggin]
#7700656 - 11/30/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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From what I understand, there isn't much chance at winning with green mold. During my first attempt, I tried to salvage several cakes that only had a tiny patch of green. I cut out the area, scorched it with a torch lighter, rinsed in clean water, re-rolled in verm, peroxide, alcohol, more FAE, etc. Within less than 5 days each time, I saw white fuzz turn to grey fuzz. Then I saw grey fuzz turn to green. I was using a shotgun FC (with perlite) in a very dry climate, I kept many of the holes plugged to keep the humidity up while fanning and misting regularly...I only had a few fruits before my entire project went up in green mold (including cakes I tried a couple weeks later). It wasn't until too late that I realized I needed a lot more FAE to prevent the outbreak in the first place. I was too concerned with humidity (which is obviously a problem with dry air).
Luckily, somehow three fruits (that started to grow in vitro) managed to survive until maturity, despite the weak FAE I was providing. I even managed to make three decent sized prints.
In short, this science is definitely not foolproof. Any other newbs who live in a dry climate - don't sacrifice FAE for good humidity. I just bought a reptile humidifier and air exchanger to help keep the humidity up so that I can leave the shotgun holes open! I hope your friend can find the right environmental settings to have a successful crop. Just remember, there are a lot of people (especially beginners like me) that lose their hard work to green mold. I'd say the only part of mushroom cultivation that I find easy so far is harvest!
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Re: messed up the easy part [Re: substraight]
#7700731 - 11/30/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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substraight said:I'm not positive about the exact temp or RH since he has no gauges
That's rich..
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Re: messed up the easy part [Re: veda_sticks]
#7701357 - 11/30/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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veda_sticks said: Deleted
im going to come back to this as im on the tail end of a trip and i'll be able to explain a bit better.
Yea Veda!!! hope your trip was awesome!
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The shroomy 1
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Re: messed up the easy part [Re: lemonjello]
#7701372 - 11/30/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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lemonjello said:
In short, this science is definitely not foolproof. Any other newbs who live in a dry climate - don't sacrifice FAE for good humidity. I just bought a reptile humidifier and air exchanger to help keep the humidity up so that I can leave the shotgun holes open! I hope your friend can find the right environmental settings to have a successful crop. Just remember, there are a lot of people (especially beginners like me) that lose their hard work to green mold. I'd say the only part of mushroom cultivation that I find easy so far is harvest!
I suggest you take a look at this tek I made a few months ago and take some ideas from it. I'm not saying make it just like mine, but the basic concept and principals are there. Works like a charm! Flush after flush, you won't be disappointed. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7282925#7282925
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MrAbstraction
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suggest you take a look at this tek I made a few months ago and take some ideas from it. I'm not saying make it just like mine, but the basic concept and principals are there. Works like a charm! Flush after flush, you won't be disappointed. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7282925#7282925
Hay! Where'd you get the fancy pants RH/Temp sensors? I wants 'em!
Awesome looking work btw - I always picture my projects to come out like that... but the holes are never round and the corners are never square... 
/ma
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The shroomy 1
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The sensors were purchased at Pet Smart. I love the Amphibian section of the store. Thanks for the comment. It's not as hard as it seems. Keep putting your ideas to the test!
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