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neil young was wrong
    #7698668 - 11/30/07 12:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

he said rock and roll would never die... its virtually dead.. especially in pop culture.. we hit our musical peak 1963-78.. somehow good music is out??

oh well here's neil tearing shit UP!

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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7698715 - 11/30/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It;s pretty much all about electronic manipulation these days

There are still good bands, but they could hardly be called rock


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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7698764 - 11/30/07 12:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No way, Neil is a prophet. As long as there is an appreciation for real, dirty ROCK it will never die. There will always be a guitar riff kicking your ass. Jimmy Page and Robert Plant will be bowed to. Kids all over the world will try thier whole lives to emulate.

New bands will try...and some will also become legends in thier own right.


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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: CherryBom]
    #7698799 - 11/30/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i disagree about any really new bands now becomming legendary.
rock shows just arent the same, no new acts are pulling crowds like old rock acts
kids arent sleeping outside windows for rock anymore

big crowds are only at festivals and old bands (stones, u2)

fall out boy or panic at the disco arent selling out stadiums

people trampled each other to see the who ...

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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7698850 - 11/30/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just because the masses have given up on a thing, does not make that thing in any way 'dead' :wink:


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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: trendal]
    #7698967 - 11/30/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ya i know there are some bands still doing it out there. i guess mainstream culture just bugs me more and more as i get older.

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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7699154 - 11/30/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

wait wait, you consider fallout boy to be real rock?


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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: trendal]
    #7699465 - 11/30/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Just because the masses have given up on a thing, does not make that thing in any way 'dead' :wink:




I think that is what I was trying (unsuccessfully) to say.  Thanks Tren!


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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: demiu5]
    #7699499 - 11/30/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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wait wait, you consider fallout boy to be real rock?




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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #7699524 - 11/30/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think he was using Fallout Boy as an example of new rock, not necessarily real rock.


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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: CherryBom]
    #7699544 - 11/30/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ah, that makes alot more sense

When people start making a parallel relation between neil young and fall out boy you might as well just sit and wait for the other 3 horsemen


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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7699549 - 11/30/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think Godspeed You! Black Emperor might have the legendary potential, unelss you mean like really, really recent, in which case I do agree


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    #7699562 - 11/30/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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we hit our musical peak 1963-78..



We hit a second peak from about 1989-97. Just because the music is in a rut doesn't mean it's dead.


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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: Silversoul]
    #7699601 - 11/30/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This is one my favorite songs of all time. Neil Young was a god. On par with Dylan, but not quite at his level.

I agree almost completely with what your saying. To me, I don't think music will ever be what it used to. It's 500 times more superficial these days.


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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: wildchild68]
    #7699619 - 11/30/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What we need is another superdrug like acid to start a psychedelic revolution

It'd be so lame if music was infuenced by pharmacuticals (spelling?)


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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7699698 - 11/30/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

this is why I moved from rock to hip hop. :yesnod:

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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: Tangerines]
    #7699760 - 11/30/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I generally find it even harder to find good hip hop then good rock these days.

Then again, I'm just not a huge fan of hip hop to begin with.


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    #7699800 - 11/30/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: Silversoul]
    #7699808 - 11/30/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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this is why I moved from rock to hip hop. :yesnod:



:nonono:




Don't get me wrong, but there is much better real hip hop produced nowadays compared to real rock nowadays.

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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7699979 - 11/30/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That was a really good performance. Thanks.

I'm hoping that this is just a phase in music history. Perhaps there will be a rock resurgence. There are a few good groups out there such as The Hives, The White Stripes and Jet right now though. Maybe a couple more. It's good to know that CSNY is still doing shows as well as a lot of the other old school rockers.








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    #7700007 - 11/30/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)
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I have never listened to any Neil Young solo stuff but I do enjoy CSNY. What should I try first? Oh and here is my favorite CSNY song...


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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: robbyberto]
    #7700014 - 11/30/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Many of my friends go to that school robby. Kent State Univeristy. It is about 40 minutes away from my hometown there is a memorial there and everything.

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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7700058 - 11/30/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think you just live in a crap state without good music.

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    #7700087 - 11/30/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"Ohio" is a fucking incredible song.  That song was very Rage Against The Machine for it's time.  It's still very powerful to this day.  I love it.

You should definitely listen to Neil Young's solo stuff if you like CSNY and "Ohio".  Just get the greatest hits.  It's really good, dude.  :thumbup::thumbup:








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    #7700299 - 11/30/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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    #7700410 - 11/30/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Whoops, WRONG VIDEO


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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7700461 - 11/30/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There's more to the picture, than meets the eye.
Hey, hey, my, my. Rock and Roll can never die!

There's still great rock out there.
Trey Anastasio, Ben Harper, Rodrigo y Gabriela, Dave Matthews, RatDog, Red Hot Chili Pepp's, surely many more...
Granted many of my nominations are more jazz jam than straight rock, but they have a little bit of everything.

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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: Yrtlzmo]
    #7700471 - 11/30/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

radiohead is already pretty much legendary. there's plenty of great 'rock' bands out there. just open your eyes (and ears).

in fact, i think music these days is far more interesting than the stuff from the 60's and 70's. there's alot more diversity and experimentation. older rock is pretty formulaic for the most part. i'm not saying it's bad or anything, just that it kind of bores me after awhile. something fresh is always being created in the present though. you just have to do some sifting.

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    #7700485 - 11/30/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)
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Matter of fact, try this one, Robbyburto.









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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: geokills]
    #7700499 - 11/30/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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There's more to the picture, than meets the eye.
Hey, hey, my, my. Rock and Roll can never die!

There's still great rock out there.
Trey Anastasio, Ben Harper, Rodrigo y Gabriela, Dave Matthews, RatDog, Red Hot Chili Pepp's, surely many more...
Granted many of my nominations are more jazz jam than straight rock, but they have a little bit of everything.






all those bands you mentioned are older.. trey and the peppers came out of the 80s. ratdog, well bobby has been at it since the 60s. even dave matthews came out of the early 90s. ben harper is good, but he's not really rock... i mean maybe folkish stuff. burn one down is a great song.

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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #7700541 - 11/30/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Trey is still composing, material that is not so similar to what he has done in the past.  He's fired off two new albums (with two bonus disks) in the past two years!  Both of which I find exceptional.  RatDog is comprised of many younger musicians and they don't just play Dead covers, they have their own catalogue of new material as well.  Rodrigo y Gabriela are a Mexican metal-inspired acoustic guitar duet that can really fire up a crowd and are very new on the scene... as of last year I saw them in a venue that only held 500 people or so, and just last month saw them playing a venue that held four or five times that many - and it was sold out two nights in a row! 

The music never stopped!  :jamming:


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    #7700550 - 11/30/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

believe me i know ratdog has many solo songs that are good.

you are missing the point. those acts arent mainstream nor new. im just saying rock is dead as far as this current generation is concerned

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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: geokills]
    #7700557 - 11/30/07 07:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Trey's most recent solo album is really good. It's all instrumental.

Speaking of Neil Young, I wish I would have caught him on his recent tour. He is THE MAN.


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    #7700558 - 11/30/07 07:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I updated the above post with clarification on the group Rodrigo y Gabriela, they are indeed very new, and are growing into the mainstream light with some quickness. As noted, in about a year they are pulling about 8 times as many people to their shows as they did such a short time ago!


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    #7700602 - 11/30/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think you're right about rock and roll not being a big part of pop culture but I think that's old news. After the grunge rock thing died down, hip hop and r&b really took the crown in popular music.

I also think the industry surrounding live rock acts has changed dramatically. There is no longer a band that tours as often as the Grateful Dead that can fill a venue like Chicago's Soldier Field (over 60,000 capacity) for multiple nights. Without the Grateful Dead and Phish the big venues like Alpine Valley and Deer Creek are struggling to stay in business. Rather than being a few bands that sell tickets like crazy, there seems to be a greater number of smaller bands that reach modest popularity. I think this is why the idea of the music festival has caught on so well. But really, go to Bonnaroo and try to tell us that rock and roll is dead. It ain't.


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    #7700728 - 11/30/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Excellent point KC. Kind of dilutive, more musicians with modest crowds, versus fewer musicians with monumental followings. The net interest in music may be quite comparable, but with more choices out there, niche players, and sub-genres, everyone can be a lot more selective about what they listen to and therefore you just can't as easily attract such a huge following. Too much supply for a potentially consistent amount of demand, dilutes each individual band's exposure and attraction.


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    #7700738 - 11/30/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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    #7700938 - 11/30/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Lenny Kravitz was wrong, too.

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    #7701029 - 11/30/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Electronic music ftw!

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Re: neil young was wrong [Re: kosmic_charlie]
    #7702444 - 12/01/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have seen great rock bands playing clubs in Wichita Kansas, Chicago House of Blues, Portland, St. Louis and many other places.

This one band in Kansas covered everything from Johnny Cash to the Dead, they were wonderful:)


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    #7702451 - 12/01/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

To an extent I also blame noise rock


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