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Plok
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The difficulty in smoking DMT
#7698651 - 11/30/07 12:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a couple of friends that desperately want to try DMT, but they cannot for the life of them hold the smoke in. One of them has never smoked anything in his life, and chokes immediately upon inhaling the smoke. The other has been smoking pot and cigs for a decade but for some reason cannot handle the DMT smoke either. They were using a cheap (but effective) freebase pipe.
1. Does a freebase pipe that has been used many times (only for DMT) produce more harsh smoke than a new/clean one? It is coated with black stuff on the bowl both inside and out.
2. Is there any easier way to do this? It would be great if I could cool the smoke with ice or something. Or at least put more distance between their mouth and the bowl. Last time my friend got burning DMT crystal in his throat and he was in pain for an hour.
Why does DMT smoke have to be so nasty 
Someday we will try Ayahuasca but I would really like to be able to give them the experience of a breakthrough smoked DMT session.
Any tips?
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: Plok]
#7698672 - 11/30/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds like your one friend needs to smoke a bunch of pot first and your other friend needs to quit the cigs.
Not sure what you could do to cool the smoke but it seems like a brand new pipe couldn't hurt.
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: truffleupagus]
#7698686 - 11/30/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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use a tall bong with large chamber.
milk taht shit up, take a breath then have em suck it all in their lungs deep. i doubt it will take much holding in if the hit is big enough.
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Plok
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: pong]
#7698722 - 11/30/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are there any freebase pipes that you can cool with ice?
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: pong]
#7698728 - 11/30/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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smoking pot before hand should help since its a bronchial dilator (relaxes your throat)
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: Plok]
#7698856 - 11/30/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Plok said: Are there any freebase pipes that you can cool with ice?
im pretty sure ive seen some with giant bases but i dont think ive ever seen someone put water and ice in one. anybody remember the kind that chris rock was smoking when he broke down for the crack in new jack city?
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: elcharrosays]
#7698991 - 11/30/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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try putting it in layers with other shit (see diagram below)
** FLAME *** ** * --mint leaves-- ----DMT-------- ----ash-------- |PIPE|
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PyroBurns
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Plug it.
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: PyroBurns]
#7699368 - 11/30/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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would a waterfall bong work?
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: Plok]
#7699421 - 11/30/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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a) consider cleaning up your product. even the white-off-white burns my lungs, especially if the black gunk is starting to build up
b) consider cleaning out your pipe. vaporize it like normal but keep holding heat to it, then, take a cotton swab or other and scrub it down
i will say that i never realized how much buildup was in my vaporizer until my roommate and i were able to take about 10-15 good hits off the thing without reloading it with residue still left in there
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: demiu5]
#7699461 - 11/30/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have pure white dmt thats all fluffy. I used to smoke cigarette's and cigars and weed now I just smoke weed. Ive never ever found dmt smoke to be harsh. No Idea why.
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: F1234K]
#7699466 - 11/30/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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how do u get white fluffy dmt? jsut wash the yellowish crystals with pure HO2?
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You just make it with care. My friend has a small lab. First time we made it we made it very sketchy and got yellow shit.
Then we made a new batch that we did very carefully and then redesolved and rewashed many a time.
He did most of the work the second time around. He is smart in that way. I took about...30mgs in a bong hoot and broke through. (I was also on 4 grams of mush at that time)
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mine have never come out waxy or very yellow on the initial freezes, but even afterwards, i recryst. at least once if not twice
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: demiu5]
#7699492 - 11/30/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well i plan on useing lazy mans tek, so no freezing or crystaling step in the tek. But so far from peoples comments it seems a very good tek, quality, time, effort, quantity. i hear some good white shit comming outa that tek in like 7 hours extraction time!
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Yeah, mix it with some fat (butter will do) and plug it. It's harsh unless you wash the sodium hydroxide out.
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are u sugesting mixing the DMT with butter and then smoking the dough or wtvr hte combination will make? the Buttered DMT paste? smoke that/?
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i dont know why, but the sight of base pipes make giggle like a little bitch lol
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: Plok]
#7700272 - 11/30/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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DMT is harsh on the lungs, but it sounds like your batch might be impure. Try re-crystallizing it to get a cleaner product. What color is it now?
One thing you can do is smoke menthol before and with the DMT. It is a mild anesthetic. But in my experience, I can hold the smoke indefinitely without much pain, and I don't smoke pot nor tobacco. My throat does hurt when I'm coming down though. Feels like I smoked plastic.
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: Quake3]
#7700332 - 11/30/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You could do an ammonia solution wash of the crystals through some filter paper in a funnel too to get rid of the yellow or orange color, then wash with dH20. Some people do it this way.
Edited by Adagio (11/30/07 06:39 PM)
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: Robo]
#7700421 - 11/30/07 07:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had yellow spice be just as, if not more powerfull and "clean" then white/clear. I think technique has a lot to do with it. If the vapor is to hot, your mouth and tongue will burn from it. But if you let it cool to quickly (i.e. through water or ice...or just let it sit) it will revert back to crystal form on your glass.
It takes a lot of practice to freebase it, if you can't get it, do as suggested and load it up with some type of green herb. It will take a higher amount (due to more loss) but it's much smoother and a surefire method.
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: Quake3]
#7700426 - 11/30/07 07:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quake3 said:I can hold the smoke indefinitely without much pain, and I don't smoke pot nor tobacco. My throat does hurt when I'm coming down though.
That's exactly how it's for me as well and it smells like mothballs! The crystals I have are yellowish orange but I read somewhere that this doesn't really indicate how pure the product is. Depends on what extraction technique one uses and what plant, etc. Even the pic on Erowid shows the yellow crystals and I doubt they'll put a pic of impure stuff on there.
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Enhance_Shammy said: are u sugesting mixing the DMT with butter and then smoking the dough or wtvr hte combination will make? the Buttered DMT paste? smoke that/?
I'm suggesting you mix it with butter so you can put the crystals in your butt. I'd add 10mg more than what you would use when smoking, the duration is longer, but it takes longer for the chemical to transfer.
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"It just kinda creeped me out, you know..... doing it anally."
I'd tap that.
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: opensaysme]
#7702062 - 12/01/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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are u fucking kidding me? does this shit actually work? can you anally breaktrhough? hahaha what the fuck
and to the guy above, i would never tap that. wtf her voice is so high pitched and annoying fuck, and she looks like a fucking geeky book worm type idk wtf. she belongs to that class in that LSD propoganda video from the 70's
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Quote:
Visionary Tools said: I'm suggesting you mix it with butter so you can put the crystals in your butt.
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: Plok]
#7706964 - 12/02/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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haven't read all the replies, so excuse me if i reitterate anything...
clean the pipe: get a butane torch, heat the shit out of the bowl and stem.. and clean the inside w/a damp q-tip. (allow the glass to cool for a few seconds, or the cool damp q-tip may shatter the glass)
when you're smoking: keep a damp paper towel or rag handy.. after hitting the pipe, wipe the outside w/ the damp towel to keep the outside clean. Keeps soot from getting everywhere and makes it way easier to see your hits, anyways. As far as the smoke... i find that smoking like a cigar works well. That is, pull the smoke into your mouth.. let it sit for a second to cool... inhale slowly, hold. I personally don't mind the taste, so this works for me.
Also, maybe try wrapping the stem of the pipe in a cool, damp paper towel... as the smoke travels through the tube, it should cool down. No personal experience with this, but it should work.
Or, get some glass tubing, MAP gas and newspaper... get to work making your own custom deemster pipe... add some kinks and bends between the bulb and mouth to allow the smoke to cool.
Water pipe helps, too, from what i hear...
otherwise.. the smoke is what it is.. thick, harsh and heavy.. 
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: Yoschie99]
#7709665 - 12/03/07 05:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I demmand a reply to my previous question whether taking DMT up teh ass actualy works!?
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Quote:
Enhance_Shammy said: I demmand a reply to my previous question whether taking DMT up teh ass actualy works!?
yes, it works
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: enesi]
#7709868 - 12/03/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
enesi said:
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Enhance_Shammy said: I demmand a reply to my previous question whether taking DMT up teh ass actualy works!?
yes, it works
then all my problems are gone
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Plok
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What happens if you've accidently left some lye in the mix
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Re: The difficulty in smoking DMT [Re: Plok]
#7715244 - 12/04/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Plok said: What happens if you've accidently left some lye in the mix
left lye in what mix?
lye is not soluble in the naphtha...it stays behind in the basified solution. (the black stuff) so unless you got big black specks in your spice..then you don't have to worry about any lye in there.
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