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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7757109 - 12/14/07 01:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Seems to be working, what do you all think?



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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7757127 - 12/14/07 01:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that looks awesome man. congrats brother.

so you say thats an 18 gallon tub. how many jars it that approx and how much coir? 1 brick, 2 bricks?


im about to do a monotub and i have 9 jars almost ready to go and thinking maybe spawning that to 1 brick of coir.


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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: johnnyboy]
    #7757364 - 12/14/07 06:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I know this is a noob question, but how do you keep the RH up in the monotub?


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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7757554 - 12/14/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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That little bubblestone, sitting in the water along with a properly hydrated casing layer give me 90% humidity. More than enough for a casing.


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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7757617 - 12/14/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

But ive seen monotubs without the bubbler. What about those?


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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: mad genius]
    #7757645 - 12/14/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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But ive seen monotubs without the bubbler. What about those?




Idealy the monotub humidity comes from the casing layer, which is why you aren't supposed to open them much.


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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: cosmoline]
    #7757677 - 12/14/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, but I have found that a regular monotub cased, does not pin nearly as fast as one with the added airflow of a bubblestone. It is used as much for the FAE, as it is for humidity.

I tried the original set and forget monotub design, and it was taking me about 15 days to completely pin and harvest once fruiting was induced.

Now I have cut that to about 7-9 days totaly from triggering, to harvest.

Not to mention that my RH was only at about 65% when I tried my first cased bulk monotub. I ended up having to mist the casing anyways, because with the lower humidity, pinning took longer, and the casing started to dry out.

This prevents having to open the tub, but also keeps everything nice and humid, without any extra work. I dont fan, or open the tub now.

With just a casing layer for humidity, it is too difficult to balance humidity with airflow to get maximum results. IMO

Like I said before. Seems to be working right?


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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7757883 - 12/14/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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If by useless you mean it wicks water to the top of the column where it evaporates quickly then yeah, submerged perlite is useless.




Perlite is crystalline, like glass or quartz crystals, and it does NOT wick water any more than broken pieces of glass will wick water. Submerged perlite is useless, period. Look at the picture of perlite below and describe how it would wick anything if you doubt the above. The perlite is on the left, while the 'mineral sponge' vermiculite which WILL retain and wick water is on the right.
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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7758265 - 12/14/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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If by useless you mean it wicks water to the top of the column where it evaporates quickly then yeah, submerged perlite is useless.




Perlite is crystalline, like glass or quartz crystals, and it does NOT wick water any more than broken pieces of glass will wick water. Submerged perlite is useless, period. Look at the picture of perlite below and describe how it would wick anything if you doubt the above. The perlite is on the left, while the 'mineral sponge' vermiculite which WILL retain and wick water is on the right.
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Interesting, Id hate to doubt you as you seem like you really know what you are doing but If I am gona contradict you it will be after I try this personally, which I am going to do right now.


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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: cosmoline]
    #7759452 - 12/14/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have a feeling you are going find out the hard way that RR is correct.

Water needs to be able to evaporate from the perlite for there to be any increase in humidity. If it is submerged, there is only a tiny layer at the top that any water is evaporating from, instead of the much larger surface area of thousands of tiny spheres, coated with just enough water to create tons of evaporation.


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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7759825 - 12/14/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Still.... Going......



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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: Glacier Creek]
    #7759876 - 12/14/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Perlite doesn't wick, in fact you don't want wicking as that implies that the substance can absorb water, something we don't want. We want the water on the perlite to go into the air, not stay sucked up in it.

The reason perlite works is that it increases the exchange surface between liquid water and air dramatically.

Say your tub is 1m by 1m and you fill it with water. The surface of water exposed to air will be of 1 m2 irrespective of the depth of the water.

Now lets go to a piece of perlite. Let's idealize things a bit and say it is a perfect sphere. The surface area of a sphere is 4piR2. If the radius is 2mm (or 0.002m) it's surface is 0.00005 m2. Multiply that by the amount of balls of perlite in your 6 inches.

20.000 balls will have a total surface of 1m2, the same as the water on it's own.

If there are 100.000 balls the total surface is 5m2, five times that of a flat surface of water.

And I am sure that there are more than 100.000 balls in a 6 inch layer of perlite in a 1mx1m chamber.

See the difference? it isn't due to the wicking, it is due to the extra surface, and submerging part of your perlite essentially cancels out the effect of that submerged part


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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: Nibin]
    #7759943 - 12/14/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Nibin I lost wat u were saying when ur 4piR2. lol i need to read more :frown:


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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: wocka]
    #7759984 - 12/14/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It is 4 times pi times Radius squared. Basic elementary school geometry, but not having a Pi letter makes it a lot more confusing.

Sorries.

Area of a Sphere = 4*π*R2


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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: Nibin]
    #7761707 - 12/15/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

GlacierCreek was this a multispore or isolate? That is a pretty nice pinset you have there.


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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: pazzy]
    #7762965 - 12/15/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Malabar VS Pink Buffalo *pics* [Re: pazzy]
    #7764027 - 12/15/07 11:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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GlacierCreek was this a multispore or isolate? That is a pretty nice pinset you have there.




Yeup thats multispore. Not my best multispore pinset, but twas decent. It is all about patching, but not overpatching. Keeping air exchange down until your mycelium has evenly started to break through the top of the casing.

Although the next project is to fruit cloned bulk with no casing, just wax paper.


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