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Legalize it
    #7697699 - 11/30/07 06:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Most people on this forum are aware that there are immense benefits to the economy for the legalization of marijuana and that prohibition just doesn't work.

So why the hell is pot still illegal? How do we get it legalized? Is it realistic to expect that pot will be legalized in our lifetime?

Honestly i think we need to get better PR for the herb we know and love. Put pressure on politicians, appeal cases involving religious use, etc... make the legalization movement more visible.

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The question arises, therefore, why cannabis is so regularly banned in countries where alcohol is permitted. [...] It may be that we can ban cannabis simply because the people who use it, or would do so, carry little weight in social matters and are relatively easy to control, whereas the alcohol user often carries plenty of weight in social matters and is difficult to control, as the U.S. prohibition era showed. It has yet to be shown, however, that the one is more socially or personally disruptive than the other.

* H.B.M Murphy, M.D., Department of Psychiatry, McGill University, Montreal. "The Cannabis Habit" (1963). (As quoted in 'Bulletin on Narcotics' by UNDCP)





What i get from that quote is that we stoners put up with prohibition more than the alcohol users did and that's why it's still illegal.


Anyways i'm trying to start a dialogue on why this stuffs still illegal and what we can do about it.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: doitagain]
    #7697728 - 11/30/07 06:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i don't think it will be legal for a long time if ever, i would say that the justice system as well as insurance,and big corporations are also not in favor as they would stand to loose millions ...and the pharmaceutical company's cant  patent(SP) weed ethier which is why they are so opposed to legal bud..
          it really very sad...i smoke allot and grow my own..i suggest everyone do the same:bongload:


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Re: Legalize it [Re: doitagain]
    #7698197 - 11/30/07 09:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Anyways i'm trying to start a dialogue on why this stuffs still illegal and what we can do about it.




:rockon:

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Re: Legalize it [Re: doitagain]
    #7698620 - 11/30/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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doitagain said:
So why the hell is pot still illegal? How do we get it legalized? Is it realistic to expect that pot will be legalized in our lifetime?

What i get from that quote is that we stoners put up with prohibition more than the alcohol users did and that's why it's still illegal.

Anyways i'm trying to start a dialogue on why this stuffs still illegal and what we can do about it.




For starters, those of us who use cannabis on a regular basis are laid back and passive, for the most part. We're not the type to storm the White House with pitchforks and demand action.

For a long time I've been saying (read my journal here) that everyone should just start growing marijuana in their front lawns, even if they don't plan to use it. The fact that it can be seen by everyone passing by makes it obvious that you want this herb legalized. Since everyone would be doing this, it would be nearly impossible for cops to arrest everyone for violations.

We need to get a petition going that would propose the statement of legalization on the next ballot, so we can all vote in favor of it, and get it passed by next election.

We need more people like Irvin Rosenfeld to speak up before a committee. It's not enough to just say: "Please legalize this plant". Then need to bring with them mounds of evidence as to why it should be legalized, along with proof that keeping it illegal is just stupid and makes no sense at all.

When all of this happens, then I can see cannabis becoming legal in the U.S.

Here in California, we're already halfway there, as marijuana is legal for medical purposes, and most cities don't even arrest for violations anymore.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: doitagain]
    #7698662 - 11/30/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think it's going to be illegal for a long time because it distracts a lot of people from looking at and getting involved with the bigger issues (war, elections getting rigged, etc.).

But maybe that's just me accusing the government of being sneaky.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: vitadura]
    #7698738 - 11/30/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Here's how it will happen. From now until April 2008 volunteers will be collecting signatures to get the Cannabis Hemp and Health Initiative 2008 on the ballot for the Nov 2008 election.

This initiative will fully and explicitly legalize cannabis for all uses, including euphoric recreational use. It provides for expunging criminal records of all marijuana convictions, and makes it a crime to assist the federal government in enforcing federal marijuana laws in CA.

There are a lot of good reasons to vote for this initiative, even for Californians who don't support legalization of marijuana. For example, nearly all of the money flowing across the borders to buy mexi-weed and BC bud will instead be dumped into CA, and CA prisons will overnight have plenty of capacity to keep dangerous criminals locked up.

When CA doesn't automatically break off and fall into the ocean, marijuana will lose its stigma and people will start to view it more along the lines of liquor and tobacco.

All US marijuana laws become unenforceable. The government will have lost the war to keep marijuana illegal. Border drug searches will be irrelevant because it will be a fraction of the cost to buy from CA producers. For the first time, supply will far exceed demand nationwide. Cost will no longer be a significant factor. The enforcement burden on states that try to maintain a prohibition on marijuana will be huge and unbearable.

If you want legalization, help this initiative get on the ballot and help the campaign to convince voters to accept it. For the first time, full legalization is within realistic reach, and it all starts in CA next year.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: pokermush]
    #7698770 - 11/30/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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pokermush said:
This initiative will fully and explicitly legalize cannabis for all uses, including euphoric recreational use. It provides for expunging criminal records of all marijuana convictions, and makes it a crime to assist the federal government in enforcing federal marijuana laws in CA.

There are a lot of good reasons to vote for this initiative, even for Californians who don't support legalization of marijuana. For example, nearly all of the money flowing across the borders to buy mexi-weed and BC bud will instead be dumped into CA, and CA prisons will overnight have plenty of capacity to keep dangerous criminals locked up.

For the first time, full legalization is within realistic reach, and it all starts in CA next year.




Regarding this part: "even for Californians who don't support legalization" ...
I don't think there's anyone here in California who is against legalization, but rather, they don't care one way or the other.

Keeping cannabis illegal cannot benefit anyone, except maybe those in the phamaceutical companies, so why would anyone want to keep it illegal? As I said, I don't know of anyone in that category.

I do like the part where the bill would make it illegal for local and state law enforcement to aid federal authorities in arresting violators and siezing crops. That shit has to stop, and PRONTO!

Thank you for this fine reply!

Here is the full text of the article:
http://www.oaksterdamnews.com/index.php/V3-Issue-3/California-Cannabis-Hemp-&-Health-Initiative-2008-Proposed-Wording.html


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7699013 - 11/30/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think the feds are actually, unwittingly, our best friend on this. If they weren't running around ruining the lives of sick people and their caregivers, I don't think legalization would have the sympathy it does today.

I'm optimistic that this initiative will pass. This is the beginning of the end of prohibition.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: pokermush]
    #7699095 - 11/30/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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pokermush said:
I'm optimistic that this initiative will pass. This is the beginning of the end of prohibition.




So what exactly needs to be done to get this puppy on the ballet?
What are the steps we can do to help ensure this?


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Re: Legalize it [Re: pokermush]
    #7699103 - 11/30/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

if it will be legal that would mean that people would start smoking weed much more then cigarettes. and the trillion dollar cigarette companies would never allow that to happen. and because the cigarette and alcohol products are the main income source of most developed countries (through taxes and shit) they also control alot of the politics. and while those trillion dollar companies have control in politics it will never be legal.

YES i love pot
YES i wish i could go anywhere and smoke it freely
YES i smoke it everyday, but as long as i do it discreetly i have no problems with smoking it whenever i want.
YES the pot prices will sky rocket if it will be made legal.

the only problem i have with it being illegal is that the majority of the society has a bad negative mind set against all illegal drugs and I'm very disappointed in human intelligence for buying all the propaganda bullshit, and because you smoke pot and love it people all ready label you as a negative person and that bugs the shit outa me.

and i wont even start talking about psychedelics, all that LSD propaganda bullshit makes me so sick. If everyone in the world used psychedelics on a regular bases we would live in a much much MUCH better place.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: doitagain]
    #7699128 - 11/30/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

you realize that it's a weed right? Just put it in the backyard and water it once in awhile. You'll have plenty. As much as you could ever want in fact. there's no tax on that shit man.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7699165 - 11/30/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Enhance_Shammy said:
if it will be legal that would mean that people would start smoking weed much more then cigarettes.





Actually, people keep smoking cigarettes because of the addiction, not because they enjoy it.
People aren't going to be lighting up joints on a regular basis as smokers do with cigarettes.

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YES the pot prices will sky rocket if it will be made legal.





Actually it's the opposite.
Once marijuana becomes leagl, the selling price will plummet.
Since there will be no valid reason to prevent someone from growing it themselves,
where is the incentive to buy it?


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Re: Legalize it [Re: pokermush]
    #7699213 - 11/30/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

in california people are more aware of it. there is constant promotion of cannabis use for medical purposes or otherwise in all forms of media.. here in the midwest there's no public awareness unless there's a big bust. it's a long time coming unless this $5billion industry in california decides to promote cannabis awareness nationally.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7699255 - 11/30/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

How can you help? One way is to write to your representatives.

Use MPP's 'Take Action' section. It makes it as easy as two clicks. :wink:

www.action.mpp.org


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7699438 - 11/30/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Enhance_Shammy said:
if it will be legal that would mean that people would start smoking weed much more then cigarettes.





Actually, people keep smoking cigarettes because of the addiction, not because they enjoy it.
People aren't going to be lighting up joints on a regular basis as smokers do with cigarettes.

Quote:

Enhance_Shammy said:
YES the pot prices will sky rocket if it will be made legal.





Actually it's the opposite.
Once marijuana becomes leagl, the selling price will plummet.
Since there will be no valid reason to prevent someone from growing it themselves,
where is the incentive to buy it?





on the contrary my friend;

A. most reason why people start smoking cigarettes is because other people do it. If pot becomes legal, there would be an obvious message to society telling everyone "hey its legal so its good" then you will see people smoking weed more then cigarettes because its enjoyable and LEGAL! I'm willing to bet u all my life Long saving that weed will be smoked much much more then cigarettes if it becomes legal.

B. again same point, if pot becomes legal it will give a message that its good and promoting it by being legal. so as demand grows the price grows, its a simple economical formula that i bet any economist would agree with me.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7699616 - 11/30/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think in our lifetimes we will see pot become legalized. A lot of the world, especially Europe, has become a lot more relaxed with it. If this deal with California pulls through then it will scream a message all the way to DC.

We can pursue California's progress throughout the free world. If you live in the US, vote for people who support its legalization, or at least decriminalization. Become more actively involved in politics. Brave people fought for the right to repeal prohibition in the early twentieth century, its now our turn to fight back. Our voices cannot be heard hiding inside and sitting stoned passively on the couch. We must stand up, rebel, protest. Its our right to uphold nonviolent protest! If we rebel, the government will be forced to appease us.

Forgive me if I seem somewhat radical, but its this idea that is the real driving force behind the repeal of this oppressive behavior from our government. Our brother to the east have spoken, our brothers to the north have spoken, and our brothers in California have spoken. Its now time for all of us to petition, protest, and get involved.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7699623 - 11/30/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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on the contrary my friend;

A. most reason why people start smoking cigarettes is because other people do it. If pot becomes legal, there would be an obvious message to society telling everyone "hey its legal so its good" then you will see people smoking weed more then cigarettes because its enjoyable and LEGAL! I'm willing to bet u all my life Long saving that weed will be smoked much much more then cigarettes if it becomes legal.

B. again same point, if pot becomes legal it will give a message that its good and promoting it by being legal. so as demand grows the price grows, its a simple economical formula that i bet any economist would agree with me.




A: People will only light up marijuana when they want to get high, which would be every four hours at most.
People smoke cigarettes every few minutes (chain smokers).

B: If people are growing their own weed, who do they have to pay? No one.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: newlife]
    #7699640 - 11/30/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah bra, up here in Canada its all cool u can catch cops smoking a spliff with a random dude on the street, its practically legal in Canada already. Next step the WORLD! but seriously now, the only reason why Canada is like this and the US ain't is because Americans will believe anything their government tells them is right and true. Thats why Canada is way ahead, however i really hope that this petition in CA will work and it will be at least decriminalized in that state. If 1 state does a daring move like that its sure that more states will follow sooner or later. Just a matter of time


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7699685 - 11/30/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Enhance_Shammy said:
on the contrary my friend;

A. most reason why people start smoking cigarettes is because other people do it. If pot becomes legal, there would be an obvious message to society telling everyone "hey its legal so its good" then you will see people smoking weed more then cigarettes because its enjoyable and LEGAL! I'm willing to bet u all my life Long saving that weed will be smoked much much more then cigarettes if it becomes legal.

B. again same point, if pot becomes legal it will give a message that its good and promoting it by being legal. so as demand grows the price grows, its a simple economical formula that i bet any economist would agree with me.




A: People will only light up marijuana when they want to get high, which would be every four hours at most.
People smoke cigarettes every few minutes (chain smokers).

B: If people are growing their own weed, who do they have to pay? No one.





A: I'm talking about a new generation of smokers, not the old one that will be replaced. Young teens who are beginning to smoke will smoke weed instead and have no reason to smoke cigarettes. And as years pass the new generation will outweigh the old and the majority of smoking will be marijuana and not tobacco.

B: ofcorse some will grow, but you don't see cigarette smokers grow tobacco now do you? do you see them buy tobacco leaves and roll it themselves? you don't see people churn their own butter. you don't see people growing their own fruits and veggies and you don't see people cut down trees and go make their own furniture. What I'm trying to say is that it is more profitable to do things on your own AND SOME PEOPLE DO IT, however, we live in a society where people are always looking for other people to do the work for them. Not everyone has the time or the place to grow their own pot, and it will be much easier for them to just buy the finished product. And because the majority of our society relies on other people to do the work for them, it is safe to assume that the same thing will be associated with weed.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7699701 - 11/30/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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A: I'm talking about a new generation of smokers, not the old one that will be replaced. Young teens who are beginning to smoke will smoke weed instead and have no reason to smoke cigarettes. And as years pass the new generation will outweigh the old and the majority of smoking will be marijuana and not tobacco.

B: ofcorse some will grow, but you don't see cigarette smokers grow tobacco now do you? do you see them buy tobacco leaves and roll it themselves? you don't see people churn their own butter. you don't see people growing their own fruits and veggies and you don't see people cut down trees and go make their own furniture. What I'm trying to say is that it is more profitable to do things on your own AND SOME PEOPLE DO IT, however, we live in a society where people are always looking for other people to do the work for them. Not everyone has the time or the place to grow their own pot, and it will be much easier for them to just buy the finished product. And because the majority of our society relies on other people to do the work for them, it is safe to assume that the same thing will be associated with weed.




A: I'm all in favor of phasing out the tobacco smokers and replacing them with today's stoners!

B: People have to stop being lazy and start doing things for themselves.
Of course, if they insist on paying other people to do their work, who can stop them?


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7699713 - 11/30/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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A: I'm all in favor of phasing out the tobacco smokers and replacing them with today's stoners!

B: People have to stop being lazy and start doing things for themselves.
Of course, if they insist on paying other people to do their work, who can stop them?





A: ditto, ill hit my bong for that brotha

B:i totally agree(read my sig), but i think we can both agree that most people are lazy and MOST people will buy pot and not grow their own. so back to my point that prices will go up IF made legal because MOST will BUY on the public market. BTW I'm not encouraging it and i really don't care what the prices are because i also grow my own so i got nothing to worry about :laugh:   


P.S. ill hit my bong for point B too! CHEERS!


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7699722 - 11/30/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

so it seems to me like it would work for both the government which wants to make money off the lazy people who will pay for it and the people who grow it will be able to grow it all the same...

i really hope we as a country are going forward into being more open and accepting but sometimes i just dont no....


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Re: Legalize it [Re: newlife]
    #7699726 - 11/30/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I think in our lifetimes we will see pot become legalized. A lot of the world, especially Europe, has become a lot more relaxed with it. If this deal with California pulls through then it will scream a message all the way to DC.

We can pursue California's progress throughout the free world. If you live in the US, vote for people who support its legalization, or at least decriminalization. Become more actively involved in politics. Brave people fought for the right to repeal prohibition in the early twentieth century, its now our turn to fight back. Our voices cannot be heard hiding inside and sitting stoned passively on the couch. We must stand up, rebel, protest. Its our right to uphold nonviolent protest! If we rebel, the government will be forced to appease us.

Forgive me if I seem somewhat radical, but its this idea that is the real driving force behind the repeal of this oppressive behavior from our government. Our brother to the east have spoken, our brothers to the north have spoken, and our brothers in California have spoken. Its now time for all of us to petition, protest, and get involved.




I fully support a violent revolution. Right after this blunt, hang on.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7699731 - 11/30/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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A: ditto, ill hit my bong for that brotha

B:i totally agree(read my sig), but i think we can both agree that most people are lazy and MOST people will buy pot and not grow their own. so back to my point that prices will go up IF made legal because MOST will BUY on the public market. BTW I'm not encouraging it and i really don't care what the prices are because i also grow my own so i got nothing to worry about :laugh:   

P.S. ill hit my bong for point B too! CHEERS!




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Re: Legalize it [Re: Mastamike1118]
    #7699752 - 11/30/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the only problem is that cigarette companies wont allow the government to totally legalize it, because then they will loose a SHIT LOAD of money. And the problem is that the cigarette companies are so rich that they have so much power on politics.

In my opinion, if u want to legalize sweet marry jane you need to aim and focus on taking down the cigarette companies or at least encourage people to smoke less cigarettes because that way they loose money!

Its a good thing though that around the world new laws are coming out EVERY FUCKING DAY that go against smoking in public places because that discourages smoking. That will in turn weaken the cigarette companies and then we will have an opportunity to STRIKE and then everyone will smoke pot and be happy. And although there are laws against public smoking, no one will care because then everyone will smoke pot and be ok with the smoke!


a possible issue I see in the future is that if pot does become legal and weed smokers will exceed cigarette smokers then the cigarette companies will move to the weed market. Which means we will find ourselves in 20 years living in a time where there are like 40 different weed companies all selling it in smoke packs like they do with cigarettes now. and the problem with that is that they will prolly put nicotine in the paper to make it addictive, which will in turn go back to why cigarettes are addictive and fuck us all again.

so from this day forward i am going to roll all my joints until i die.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7699828 - 11/30/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There is a BIG difference in smoking a cigarette and smoking a joint.
You cant go out and take a joint break. some jobs it would be fine and it depends on the person. But lots of jobs are not as easy high.

And as for price increase? I doubt it. The government would be mass producing it therefor it would be cheaper.

Who would buy say a 25 pack of joints for like..100$ no one.

They could charge maybe 30$ max.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: F1234K]
    #7699917 - 11/30/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

to get good quality shit you would have to prolly pay 100$ because remember, you dont smoke joints as much as u do with cigarettes. And sure there will be packs out there for $30 but it will prolly be shitty weed that youll need 5 joints to get high.

Also again, why do people START smoking? studies show that number 1 cause of smoking is influence from society. You see people smoke so u think ur so big and mature that u will start smoking and then they get hooked. I highly doubt that people out there started smoking because they understood the calming effects of nicotine.

Ill just repeat what i said before. I'm talking about a new generation of smokers, not the old one that will be replaced. Young teens who are beginning to smoke will smoke weed instead and have no reason to smoke cigarettes. And as years pass the new generation will outweigh the old and the majority of smoking will be marijuana and not tobacco.

now you tell me why should people start smoking cigarettes? take this scenario for example. a young teen named Bob finds himself one evening with his 4 best buddies. two friends start smoking a joint, and two other friends light up a cigarette. Having known ALLL of the health hazards and proper information from shroomery.org regarding both substances he is faced with a dilemma. He wants to smoke and see what his friends are trying or doing but he doesn't know which one to pick, the cigarette or the joint. What in your right mind do you think Bob will do? do you think he will join his two friends into smoking a joint with them or do you think he will smoke a cigarette with his two other buddies?
If Bob is a normal person he would choose to smoke a joint, based on the information im trying to prove.

Now with the era of internet information is so easily acquired. And it takes no effort if non to find a ton of harming facts about cigarette smoking and a ton of positive facts about marijuana smoking.

Now imagine for a moment if you will, that Bob is now multiplied and every child in America is faced with the same dilemma and has the same information present. Now think of all those kids being replaced every new year until the majority of smokers will be marijuana smokers.

Forgive me if my sentences dont "flow", im really tired and its 2am from where im at.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7699959 - 11/30/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

To Enchance:

Information being readily available doesn't mean nearly as much as it seems. Look how many people on these forums (and every other forum) ask dumb questions that can easily be answered with a google search, erowid, or dare I say it...wikipedia.

Secondly, I smoke cigarettes (only cloves) because I like the taste and the ends taste like pixie sticks. I'm actually embarrassed to smoke them in public though. However, I smoke MAYBE one every two weeks. Or if I need to stay up later than normal.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: ohnoezes]
    #7699976 - 11/30/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

so you smoke 1 cigarette in every 2 weeks, but how many joints/weed do you smoke every 2 weeks?


information is available but again with every society you will have the lower class, the lazy people, the stupid people that will ask stupid questions when it can easily be searched. Now dont get me wrong im not saying every question is stupid, im happy that even the stupid people ask questions because that way we are sure they dont got it wrong with anything. I encourage questions, its good to ask and its good to show interest, but with that people can be more motivated and search shit up before asking (which alot of people do).


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7699995 - 11/30/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Forgive me if my sentences dont "flow", im really tired and its 2am from where im at.




2 AM? That's 10 hours difference from where I am.
That would put you in a place like Holland or France.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7699999 - 11/30/07 05:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Israel hehe


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7700047 - 11/30/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Enhance_Shammy said:Its a good thing though that around the world new laws are coming out EVERY FUCKING DAY that go against smoking in public places because that discourages smoking. That will in turn weaken the cigarette companies and then we will have an opportunity to STRIKE and then everyone will smoke pot and be happy. And although there are laws against public smoking, no one will care because then everyone will smoke pot and be ok with the smoke!




I believe it's NOT a good thing for laws to tell you not to smoke whatever. If they are doing it with nicotine that's legal, mj has no fucking chance in hell. It's about CONTROLLING PEOPLE, they can give two shits about yours or anyone else's health. MJ promotes peace, makes you lazy and question religion and authority which goes against our learned cultural values and of course we can't have that in a society where slaves mindlessly put together widgets in an assembly line w/o questioning anything. Just give them a big screen TV with American Idol, a gas guzzling SUV and some McDonalds.


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    #7700063 - 11/30/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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MJ promotes peace, makes you question religion and authority which goes against our learned cultural values and of course we can't have that in a society where slaves mindlessly put together widgets in an assembly line w/o questioning anything. Just give them a big screen TV with American Idol, a gas guzzling SUV and some McDonalds.




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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7700208 - 11/30/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Enhance_Shammy your right about Canada. Also, many Americans allowing corporations to influence government and allow it to become corrupt is because all people here care about is trying to live a middle-upper class life for themselves. They are only worried if they have a steady job.
I believe that we each have the responsibility to help advance humanity in every aspect that we possibly can. Right now so many people in this country allow themselves to be treated as slaves, but if people began to rise up and try to help the world instead of blindly obeying to try to obtain copious amount of money, then can we change the world.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7700250 - 11/30/07 06:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You know, you sure do use a lot of logical fallacies to get your point across...

"When demand increases the prices go up" -- what about the supply? You don't know for a fact that more growers would spring up, growing their own for personal use... or wait do you have a crystal ball? Yes, it is a simple economic formula, but you left 50% of it out... the whole supply side.

Then you go on to compare it to tobacco. You're comparing apples and oranges here, man. Just because tobacco smokers don't grow their own tobacco doesn't mean pot smokers will follow suit with their crop. It just doesn't make sense. The conclusion does not follow the premise. Plus, you're talking about two entirely different crops.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: MorphMan]
    #7700308 - 11/30/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

They would probably regulate it a lot like alcohol. You couldn't grow it for personal use unless you paid the taxes on it. It would be the whiskey rebellion all over again.


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    #7700402 - 11/30/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So long as we have the people who made it illegal in the 1st place still in power, it will NOT be legalized. They would rather die than to admit a mistake or succumb to change. These people don't even live in the same dimension as the rest of us and they look down on us as if we're some kind of roach or a battery and nothing more. They are all sociopaths who HATE us because we are able to recognize beauty and find joy in things that don't cost a thing and they can't understand that.

They are not human.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: c0_hush]
    #7700470 - 11/30/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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So long as we have the people who made it illegal in the 1st place still in power, it will NOT be legalized. They would rather die than to admit a mistake or succumb to change. These people don't even live in the same dimension as the rest of us and they look down on us as if we're some kind of roach or a battery and nothing more. They are all sociopaths who HATE us because we are able to recognize beauty and find joy in things that don't cost a thing and they can't understand that.

They are not human.




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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7700545 - 11/30/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Are you kidding me? If pot was legal, every fucker on this forum would probably grow. If it wasn't illegal, we can assume it'd increase in popularity. And if it wasn't illegal to grow, every other stoner would have a few plants (which yield a fuckton more pot than you'd need for yourself). Some people would still buy it, but only because it'd be way cheap and not worth the effort. If for the price of an ounce you can set up a basic pot grow and get a few pounds, why wouldn't you grow.

Think of it this way: why is pot as expensive it is now? Because it costs a lot to produce? Obviously not. Because it's illegal and many people don't risk it. As price rises, monetary incentive also goes up, and more people get into the business. If you eliminate the risk of getting put in jail for several years, imagine how many people would grow pot. There wouldn't be as high a monetary incentive, so criminal ties to marijuana would also be eliminated. There's a reason mobsters don't peddle alcohol.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7701380 - 11/30/07 11:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Two pounds of pot, when it was legal, use to be no more than a few dollars in todays money.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: newlife]
    #7701748 - 12/01/07 03:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

lol "when it was legal"..... yeah back then you could buy a big mansion for like a few bucks in todays money. IT was only 45 years ago when gas prices were a few cents for a gallon.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7702962 - 12/01/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No what I meant was that what it cost then was a few cents which is only a couple of dollars today.


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Re: Legalize it [Re: Enhance_Shammy]
    #7703195 - 12/01/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

really what part? i used to be at kibbutz ein hashofet for about 3 months, would like to make aliyah someday.

just curious we paid 100 shekels for a bar of hash about the size of a pinky finger, were we gettin ripped off?


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Re: Legalize it [Re: doitagain]
    #7704263 - 12/01/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

mmmmm hashhhh


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Re: Legalize it [Re: elnico]
    #7704735 - 12/01/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

not really, thats what u will pay for a small bar of hash. The weed sucks here unless you grow your own, so everyone just smokes hash :laugh:

100 shekels is something like $23 American, so a small bar of hash for $23. Those are the Israeli prices.


Speaking of hash, do you think that if marijuana will be legalized then that will automatically legalize hash? It should be, considering hash is "processed" weed.


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