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Enhance_Shammy
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andyistic said:
A: I'm all in favor of phasing out the tobacco smokers and replacing them with today's stoners!
B: People have to stop being lazy and start doing things for themselves. Of course, if they insist on paying other people to do their work, who can stop them?
A: ditto, ill hit my bong for that brotha
B:i totally agree(read my sig), but i think we can both agree that most people are lazy and MOST people will buy pot and not grow their own. so back to my point that prices will go up IF made legal because MOST will BUY on the public market. BTW I'm not encouraging it and i really don't care what the prices are because i also grow my own so i got nothing to worry about
P.S. ill hit my bong for point B too! CHEERS!
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so it seems to me like it would work for both the government which wants to make money off the lazy people who will pay for it and the people who grow it will be able to grow it all the same...
i really hope we as a country are going forward into being more open and accepting but sometimes i just dont no....
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ohnoezes
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Re: Legalize it [Re: newlife]
#7699726 - 11/30/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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newlife said: I think in our lifetimes we will see pot become legalized. A lot of the world, especially Europe, has become a lot more relaxed with it. If this deal with California pulls through then it will scream a message all the way to DC.
We can pursue California's progress throughout the free world. If you live in the US, vote for people who support its legalization, or at least decriminalization. Become more actively involved in politics. Brave people fought for the right to repeal prohibition in the early twentieth century, its now our turn to fight back. Our voices cannot be heard hiding inside and sitting stoned passively on the couch. We must stand up, rebel, protest. Its our right to uphold nonviolent protest! If we rebel, the government will be forced to appease us.
Forgive me if I seem somewhat radical, but its this idea that is the real driving force behind the repeal of this oppressive behavior from our government. Our brother to the east have spoken, our brothers to the north have spoken, and our brothers in California have spoken. Its now time for all of us to petition, protest, and get involved.
I fully support a violent revolution. Right after this blunt, hang on.
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Enhance_Shammy said: A: ditto, ill hit my bong for that brotha
B:i totally agree(read my sig), but i think we can both agree that most people are lazy and MOST people will buy pot and not grow their own. so back to my point that prices will go up IF made legal because MOST will BUY on the public market. BTW I'm not encouraging it and i really don't care what the prices are because i also grow my own so i got nothing to worry about
P.S. ill hit my bong for point B too! CHEERS!
Here's to you!
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Enhance_Shammy
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the only problem is that cigarette companies wont allow the government to totally legalize it, because then they will loose a SHIT LOAD of money. And the problem is that the cigarette companies are so rich that they have so much power on politics.
In my opinion, if u want to legalize sweet marry jane you need to aim and focus on taking down the cigarette companies or at least encourage people to smoke less cigarettes because that way they loose money!
Its a good thing though that around the world new laws are coming out EVERY FUCKING DAY that go against smoking in public places because that discourages smoking. That will in turn weaken the cigarette companies and then we will have an opportunity to STRIKE and then everyone will smoke pot and be happy. And although there are laws against public smoking, no one will care because then everyone will smoke pot and be ok with the smoke!
a possible issue I see in the future is that if pot does become legal and weed smokers will exceed cigarette smokers then the cigarette companies will move to the weed market. Which means we will find ourselves in 20 years living in a time where there are like 40 different weed companies all selling it in smoke packs like they do with cigarettes now. and the problem with that is that they will prolly put nicotine in the paper to make it addictive, which will in turn go back to why cigarettes are addictive and fuck us all again.
so from this day forward i am going to roll all my joints until i die.
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F1234K
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There is a BIG difference in smoking a cigarette and smoking a joint. You cant go out and take a joint break. some jobs it would be fine and it depends on the person. But lots of jobs are not as easy high.
And as for price increase? I doubt it. The government would be mass producing it therefor it would be cheaper.
Who would buy say a 25 pack of joints for like..100$ no one.
They could charge maybe 30$ max.
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Enhance_Shammy
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Re: Legalize it [Re: F1234K]
#7699917 - 11/30/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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to get good quality shit you would have to prolly pay 100$ because remember, you dont smoke joints as much as u do with cigarettes. And sure there will be packs out there for $30 but it will prolly be shitty weed that youll need 5 joints to get high.
Also again, why do people START smoking? studies show that number 1 cause of smoking is influence from society. You see people smoke so u think ur so big and mature that u will start smoking and then they get hooked. I highly doubt that people out there started smoking because they understood the calming effects of nicotine.
Ill just repeat what i said before. I'm talking about a new generation of smokers, not the old one that will be replaced. Young teens who are beginning to smoke will smoke weed instead and have no reason to smoke cigarettes. And as years pass the new generation will outweigh the old and the majority of smoking will be marijuana and not tobacco.
now you tell me why should people start smoking cigarettes? take this scenario for example. a young teen named Bob finds himself one evening with his 4 best buddies. two friends start smoking a joint, and two other friends light up a cigarette. Having known ALLL of the health hazards and proper information from shroomery.org regarding both substances he is faced with a dilemma. He wants to smoke and see what his friends are trying or doing but he doesn't know which one to pick, the cigarette or the joint. What in your right mind do you think Bob will do? do you think he will join his two friends into smoking a joint with them or do you think he will smoke a cigarette with his two other buddies? If Bob is a normal person he would choose to smoke a joint, based on the information im trying to prove.
Now with the era of internet information is so easily acquired. And it takes no effort if non to find a ton of harming facts about cigarette smoking and a ton of positive facts about marijuana smoking.
Now imagine for a moment if you will, that Bob is now multiplied and every child in America is faced with the same dilemma and has the same information present. Now think of all those kids being replaced every new year until the majority of smokers will be marijuana smokers.
Forgive me if my sentences dont "flow", im really tired and its 2am from where im at.
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ohnoezes
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To Enchance:
Information being readily available doesn't mean nearly as much as it seems. Look how many people on these forums (and every other forum) ask dumb questions that can easily be answered with a google search, erowid, or dare I say it...wikipedia.
Secondly, I smoke cigarettes (only cloves) because I like the taste and the ends taste like pixie sticks. I'm actually embarrassed to smoke them in public though. However, I smoke MAYBE one every two weeks. Or if I need to stay up later than normal.
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Enhance_Shammy
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Re: Legalize it [Re: ohnoezes]
#7699976 - 11/30/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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so you smoke 1 cigarette in every 2 weeks, but how many joints/weed do you smoke every 2 weeks?
information is available but again with every society you will have the lower class, the lazy people, the stupid people that will ask stupid questions when it can easily be searched. Now dont get me wrong im not saying every question is stupid, im happy that even the stupid people ask questions because that way we are sure they dont got it wrong with anything. I encourage questions, its good to ask and its good to show interest, but with that people can be more motivated and search shit up before asking (which alot of people do).
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Enhance_Shammy said: Forgive me if my sentences dont "flow", im really tired and its 2am from where im at.
2 AM? That's 10 hours difference from where I am. That would put you in a place like Holland or France.
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Enhance_Shammy
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Israel hehe
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Enhance_Shammy said:Its a good thing though that around the world new laws are coming out EVERY FUCKING DAY that go against smoking in public places because that discourages smoking. That will in turn weaken the cigarette companies and then we will have an opportunity to STRIKE and then everyone will smoke pot and be happy. And although there are laws against public smoking, no one will care because then everyone will smoke pot and be ok with the smoke!
I believe it's NOT a good thing for laws to tell you not to smoke whatever. If they are doing it with nicotine that's legal, mj has no fucking chance in hell. It's about CONTROLLING PEOPLE, they can give two shits about yours or anyone else's health. MJ promotes peace, makes you lazy and question religion and authority which goes against our learned cultural values and of course we can't have that in a society where slaves mindlessly put together widgets in an assembly line w/o questioning anything. Just give them a big screen TV with American Idol, a gas guzzling SUV and some McDonalds.
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Enhance_Shammy
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Re: Legalize it [Re: c0_hush]
#7700063 - 11/30/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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c0_hush said:
MJ promotes peace, makes you question religion and authority which goes against our learned cultural values and of course we can't have that in a society where slaves mindlessly put together widgets in an assembly line w/o questioning anything. Just give them a big screen TV with American Idol, a gas guzzling SUV and some McDonalds.
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newlife
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Enhance_Shammy your right about Canada. Also, many Americans allowing corporations to influence government and allow it to become corrupt is because all people here care about is trying to live a middle-upper class life for themselves. They are only worried if they have a steady job. I believe that we each have the responsibility to help advance humanity in every aspect that we possibly can. Right now so many people in this country allow themselves to be treated as slaves, but if people began to rise up and try to help the world instead of blindly obeying to try to obtain copious amount of money, then can we change the world.
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You know, you sure do use a lot of logical fallacies to get your point across...
"When demand increases the prices go up" -- what about the supply? You don't know for a fact that more growers would spring up, growing their own for personal use... or wait do you have a crystal ball? Yes, it is a simple economic formula, but you left 50% of it out... the whole supply side.
Then you go on to compare it to tobacco. You're comparing apples and oranges here, man. Just because tobacco smokers don't grow their own tobacco doesn't mean pot smokers will follow suit with their crop. It just doesn't make sense. The conclusion does not follow the premise. Plus, you're talking about two entirely different crops.
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Re: Legalize it [Re: MorphMan]
#7700308 - 11/30/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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They would probably regulate it a lot like alcohol. You couldn't grow it for personal use unless you paid the taxes on it. It would be the whiskey rebellion all over again.
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Re: Legalize it [Re: newlife]
#7700402 - 11/30/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So long as we have the people who made it illegal in the 1st place still in power, it will NOT be legalized. They would rather die than to admit a mistake or succumb to change. These people don't even live in the same dimension as the rest of us and they look down on us as if we're some kind of roach or a battery and nothing more. They are all sociopaths who HATE us because we are able to recognize beauty and find joy in things that don't cost a thing and they can't understand that.
They are not human.
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Re: Legalize it [Re: c0_hush]
#7700470 - 11/30/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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c0_hush said: So long as we have the people who made it illegal in the 1st place still in power, it will NOT be legalized. They would rather die than to admit a mistake or succumb to change. These people don't even live in the same dimension as the rest of us and they look down on us as if we're some kind of roach or a battery and nothing more. They are all sociopaths who HATE us because we are able to recognize beauty and find joy in things that don't cost a thing and they can't understand that.
They are not human.
And that's what makes the American Way so great! Praise those who make rules based on information they have no first-hand knowledge of.
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AlCapwn
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Are you kidding me? If pot was legal, every fucker on this forum would probably grow. If it wasn't illegal, we can assume it'd increase in popularity. And if it wasn't illegal to grow, every other stoner would have a few plants (which yield a fuckton more pot than you'd need for yourself). Some people would still buy it, but only because it'd be way cheap and not worth the effort. If for the price of an ounce you can set up a basic pot grow and get a few pounds, why wouldn't you grow.
Think of it this way: why is pot as expensive it is now? Because it costs a lot to produce? Obviously not. Because it's illegal and many people don't risk it. As price rises, monetary incentive also goes up, and more people get into the business. If you eliminate the risk of getting put in jail for several years, imagine how many people would grow pot. There wouldn't be as high a monetary incentive, so criminal ties to marijuana would also be eliminated. There's a reason mobsters don't peddle alcohol.
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newlife
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Re: Legalize it [Re: AlCapwn]
#7701380 - 11/30/07 11:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Two pounds of pot, when it was legal, use to be no more than a few dollars in todays money.
Edited by newlife (11/30/07 11:42 PM)
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