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doitagain
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Legalize it
#7697699 - 11/30/07 06:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most people on this forum are aware that there are immense benefits to the economy for the legalization of marijuana and that prohibition just doesn't work.
So why the hell is pot still illegal? How do we get it legalized? Is it realistic to expect that pot will be legalized in our lifetime?
Honestly i think we need to get better PR for the herb we know and love. Put pressure on politicians, appeal cases involving religious use, etc... make the legalization movement more visible.
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The question arises, therefore, why cannabis is so regularly banned in countries where alcohol is permitted. [...] It may be that we can ban cannabis simply because the people who use it, or would do so, carry little weight in social matters and are relatively easy to control, whereas the alcohol user often carries plenty of weight in social matters and is difficult to control, as the U.S. prohibition era showed. It has yet to be shown, however, that the one is more socially or personally disruptive than the other.
* H.B.M Murphy, M.D., Department of Psychiatry, McGill University, Montreal. "The Cannabis Habit" (1963). (As quoted in 'Bulletin on Narcotics' by UNDCP)
What i get from that quote is that we stoners put up with prohibition more than the alcohol users did and that's why it's still illegal.
Anyways i'm trying to start a dialogue on why this stuffs still illegal and what we can do about it.
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Re: Legalize it [Re: doitagain]
#7697728 - 11/30/07 06:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i don't think it will be legal for a long time if ever, i would say that the justice system as well as insurance,and big corporations are also not in favor as they would stand to loose millions ...and the pharmaceutical company's cant patent(SP) weed ethier which is why they are so opposed to legal bud.. it really very sad...i smoke allot and grow my own..i suggest everyone do the same
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Re: Legalize it [Re: doitagain]
#7698197 - 11/30/07 09:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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doitagain said:
Anyways i'm trying to start a dialogue on why this stuffs still illegal and what we can do about it.

Are you aware the Shroomery has a drug policy forum? Here
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Re: Legalize it [Re: doitagain]
#7698620 - 11/30/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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doitagain said: So why the hell is pot still illegal? How do we get it legalized? Is it realistic to expect that pot will be legalized in our lifetime?
What i get from that quote is that we stoners put up with prohibition more than the alcohol users did and that's why it's still illegal.
Anyways i'm trying to start a dialogue on why this stuffs still illegal and what we can do about it.
For starters, those of us who use cannabis on a regular basis are laid back and passive, for the most part. We're not the type to storm the White House with pitchforks and demand action.
For a long time I've been saying (read my journal here) that everyone should just start growing marijuana in their front lawns, even if they don't plan to use it. The fact that it can be seen by everyone passing by makes it obvious that you want this herb legalized. Since everyone would be doing this, it would be nearly impossible for cops to arrest everyone for violations.
We need to get a petition going that would propose the statement of legalization on the next ballot, so we can all vote in favor of it, and get it passed by next election.
We need more people like Irvin Rosenfeld to speak up before a committee. It's not enough to just say: "Please legalize this plant". Then need to bring with them mounds of evidence as to why it should be legalized, along with proof that keeping it illegal is just stupid and makes no sense at all.
When all of this happens, then I can see cannabis becoming legal in the U.S.
Here in California, we're already halfway there, as marijuana is legal for medical purposes, and most cities don't even arrest for violations anymore.
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vitadura
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Re: Legalize it [Re: doitagain]
#7698662 - 11/30/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it's going to be illegal for a long time because it distracts a lot of people from looking at and getting involved with the bigger issues (war, elections getting rigged, etc.).
But maybe that's just me accusing the government of being sneaky.
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pokermush
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Re: Legalize it [Re: vitadura]
#7698738 - 11/30/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's how it will happen. From now until April 2008 volunteers will be collecting signatures to get the Cannabis Hemp and Health Initiative 2008 on the ballot for the Nov 2008 election.
This initiative will fully and explicitly legalize cannabis for all uses, including euphoric recreational use. It provides for expunging criminal records of all marijuana convictions, and makes it a crime to assist the federal government in enforcing federal marijuana laws in CA.
There are a lot of good reasons to vote for this initiative, even for Californians who don't support legalization of marijuana. For example, nearly all of the money flowing across the borders to buy mexi-weed and BC bud will instead be dumped into CA, and CA prisons will overnight have plenty of capacity to keep dangerous criminals locked up.
When CA doesn't automatically break off and fall into the ocean, marijuana will lose its stigma and people will start to view it more along the lines of liquor and tobacco.
All US marijuana laws become unenforceable. The government will have lost the war to keep marijuana illegal. Border drug searches will be irrelevant because it will be a fraction of the cost to buy from CA producers. For the first time, supply will far exceed demand nationwide. Cost will no longer be a significant factor. The enforcement burden on states that try to maintain a prohibition on marijuana will be huge and unbearable.
If you want legalization, help this initiative get on the ballot and help the campaign to convince voters to accept it. For the first time, full legalization is within realistic reach, and it all starts in CA next year.
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Re: Legalize it [Re: pokermush]
#7698770 - 11/30/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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pokermush said: This initiative will fully and explicitly legalize cannabis for all uses, including euphoric recreational use. It provides for expunging criminal records of all marijuana convictions, and makes it a crime to assist the federal government in enforcing federal marijuana laws in CA.
There are a lot of good reasons to vote for this initiative, even for Californians who don't support legalization of marijuana. For example, nearly all of the money flowing across the borders to buy mexi-weed and BC bud will instead be dumped into CA, and CA prisons will overnight have plenty of capacity to keep dangerous criminals locked up.
For the first time, full legalization is within realistic reach, and it all starts in CA next year.
Regarding this part: "even for Californians who don't support legalization" ... I don't think there's anyone here in California who is against legalization, but rather, they don't care one way or the other.
Keeping cannabis illegal cannot benefit anyone, except maybe those in the phamaceutical companies, so why would anyone want to keep it illegal? As I said, I don't know of anyone in that category.
I do like the part where the bill would make it illegal for local and state law enforcement to aid federal authorities in arresting violators and siezing crops. That shit has to stop, and PRONTO!
Thank you for this fine reply!
Here is the full text of the article: http://www.oaksterdamnews.com/index.php/V3-Issue-3/California-Cannabis-Hemp-&-Health-Initiative-2008-Proposed-Wording.html
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pokermush
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I think the feds are actually, unwittingly, our best friend on this. If they weren't running around ruining the lives of sick people and their caregivers, I don't think legalization would have the sympathy it does today.
I'm optimistic that this initiative will pass. This is the beginning of the end of prohibition.
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Re: Legalize it [Re: pokermush]
#7699095 - 11/30/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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pokermush said: I'm optimistic that this initiative will pass. This is the beginning of the end of prohibition.
So what exactly needs to be done to get this puppy on the ballet? What are the steps we can do to help ensure this?
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Enhance_Shammy
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Re: Legalize it [Re: pokermush]
#7699103 - 11/30/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if it will be legal that would mean that people would start smoking weed much more then cigarettes. and the trillion dollar cigarette companies would never allow that to happen. and because the cigarette and alcohol products are the main income source of most developed countries (through taxes and shit) they also control alot of the politics. and while those trillion dollar companies have control in politics it will never be legal.
YES i love pot YES i wish i could go anywhere and smoke it freely YES i smoke it everyday, but as long as i do it discreetly i have no problems with smoking it whenever i want. YES the pot prices will sky rocket if it will be made legal.
the only problem i have with it being illegal is that the majority of the society has a bad negative mind set against all illegal drugs and I'm very disappointed in human intelligence for buying all the propaganda bullshit, and because you smoke pot and love it people all ready label you as a negative person and that bugs the shit outa me.
and i wont even start talking about psychedelics, all that LSD propaganda bullshit makes me so sick. If everyone in the world used psychedelics on a regular bases we would live in a much much MUCH better place.
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kristofer
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Re: Legalize it [Re: doitagain]
#7699128 - 11/30/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you realize that it's a weed right? Just put it in the backyard and water it once in awhile. You'll have plenty. As much as you could ever want in fact. there's no tax on that shit man.
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Enhance_Shammy said: if it will be legal that would mean that people would start smoking weed much more then cigarettes.
Actually, people keep smoking cigarettes because of the addiction, not because they enjoy it. People aren't going to be lighting up joints on a regular basis as smokers do with cigarettes.
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Enhance_Shammy said: YES the pot prices will sky rocket if it will be made legal.
Actually it's the opposite. Once marijuana becomes leagl, the selling price will plummet. Since there will be no valid reason to prevent someone from growing it themselves, where is the incentive to buy it?
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Re: Legalize it [Re: pokermush]
#7699213 - 11/30/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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in california people are more aware of it. there is constant promotion of cannabis use for medical purposes or otherwise in all forms of media.. here in the midwest there's no public awareness unless there's a big bust. it's a long time coming unless this $5billion industry in california decides to promote cannabis awareness nationally.
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JohnP
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How can you help? One way is to write to your representatives.
Use MPP's 'Take Action' section. It makes it as easy as two clicks. 
www.action.mpp.org
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Enhance_Shammy
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andyistic said:
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Enhance_Shammy said: if it will be legal that would mean that people would start smoking weed much more then cigarettes.
Actually, people keep smoking cigarettes because of the addiction, not because they enjoy it. People aren't going to be lighting up joints on a regular basis as smokers do with cigarettes.
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Enhance_Shammy said: YES the pot prices will sky rocket if it will be made legal.
Actually it's the opposite. Once marijuana becomes leagl, the selling price will plummet. Since there will be no valid reason to prevent someone from growing it themselves, where is the incentive to buy it?
on the contrary my friend;
A. most reason why people start smoking cigarettes is because other people do it. If pot becomes legal, there would be an obvious message to society telling everyone "hey its legal so its good" then you will see people smoking weed more then cigarettes because its enjoyable and LEGAL! I'm willing to bet u all my life Long saving that weed will be smoked much much more then cigarettes if it becomes legal.
B. again same point, if pot becomes legal it will give a message that its good and promoting it by being legal. so as demand grows the price grows, its a simple economical formula that i bet any economist would agree with me.
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I think in our lifetimes we will see pot become legalized. A lot of the world, especially Europe, has become a lot more relaxed with it. If this deal with California pulls through then it will scream a message all the way to DC.
We can pursue California's progress throughout the free world. If you live in the US, vote for people who support its legalization, or at least decriminalization. Become more actively involved in politics. Brave people fought for the right to repeal prohibition in the early twentieth century, its now our turn to fight back. Our voices cannot be heard hiding inside and sitting stoned passively on the couch. We must stand up, rebel, protest. Its our right to uphold nonviolent protest! If we rebel, the government will be forced to appease us.
Forgive me if I seem somewhat radical, but its this idea that is the real driving force behind the repeal of this oppressive behavior from our government. Our brother to the east have spoken, our brothers to the north have spoken, and our brothers in California have spoken. Its now time for all of us to petition, protest, and get involved.
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Enhance_Shammy said: on the contrary my friend;
A. most reason why people start smoking cigarettes is because other people do it. If pot becomes legal, there would be an obvious message to society telling everyone "hey its legal so its good" then you will see people smoking weed more then cigarettes because its enjoyable and LEGAL! I'm willing to bet u all my life Long saving that weed will be smoked much much more then cigarettes if it becomes legal.
B. again same point, if pot becomes legal it will give a message that its good and promoting it by being legal. so as demand grows the price grows, its a simple economical formula that i bet any economist would agree with me.
A: People will only light up marijuana when they want to get high, which would be every four hours at most. People smoke cigarettes every few minutes (chain smokers).
B: If people are growing their own weed, who do they have to pay? No one.
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Re: Legalize it [Re: newlife]
#7699640 - 11/30/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah bra, up here in Canada its all cool u can catch cops smoking a spliff with a random dude on the street, its practically legal in Canada already. Next step the WORLD! but seriously now, the only reason why Canada is like this and the US ain't is because Americans will believe anything their government tells them is right and true. Thats why Canada is way ahead, however i really hope that this petition in CA will work and it will be at least decriminalized in that state. If 1 state does a daring move like that its sure that more states will follow sooner or later. Just a matter of time
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Enhance_Shammy
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andyistic said:
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Enhance_Shammy said: on the contrary my friend;
A. most reason why people start smoking cigarettes is because other people do it. If pot becomes legal, there would be an obvious message to society telling everyone "hey its legal so its good" then you will see people smoking weed more then cigarettes because its enjoyable and LEGAL! I'm willing to bet u all my life Long saving that weed will be smoked much much more then cigarettes if it becomes legal.
B. again same point, if pot becomes legal it will give a message that its good and promoting it by being legal. so as demand grows the price grows, its a simple economical formula that i bet any economist would agree with me.
A: People will only light up marijuana when they want to get high, which would be every four hours at most. People smoke cigarettes every few minutes (chain smokers).
B: If people are growing their own weed, who do they have to pay? No one.
A: I'm talking about a new generation of smokers, not the old one that will be replaced. Young teens who are beginning to smoke will smoke weed instead and have no reason to smoke cigarettes. And as years pass the new generation will outweigh the old and the majority of smoking will be marijuana and not tobacco.
B: ofcorse some will grow, but you don't see cigarette smokers grow tobacco now do you? do you see them buy tobacco leaves and roll it themselves? you don't see people churn their own butter. you don't see people growing their own fruits and veggies and you don't see people cut down trees and go make their own furniture. What I'm trying to say is that it is more profitable to do things on your own AND SOME PEOPLE DO IT, however, we live in a society where people are always looking for other people to do the work for them. Not everyone has the time or the place to grow their own pot, and it will be much easier for them to just buy the finished product. And because the majority of our society relies on other people to do the work for them, it is safe to assume that the same thing will be associated with weed.
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Enhance_Shammy said:
A: I'm talking about a new generation of smokers, not the old one that will be replaced. Young teens who are beginning to smoke will smoke weed instead and have no reason to smoke cigarettes. And as years pass the new generation will outweigh the old and the majority of smoking will be marijuana and not tobacco.
B: ofcorse some will grow, but you don't see cigarette smokers grow tobacco now do you? do you see them buy tobacco leaves and roll it themselves? you don't see people churn their own butter. you don't see people growing their own fruits and veggies and you don't see people cut down trees and go make their own furniture. What I'm trying to say is that it is more profitable to do things on your own AND SOME PEOPLE DO IT, however, we live in a society where people are always looking for other people to do the work for them. Not everyone has the time or the place to grow their own pot, and it will be much easier for them to just buy the finished product. And because the majority of our society relies on other people to do the work for them, it is safe to assume that the same thing will be associated with weed.
A: I'm all in favor of phasing out the tobacco smokers and replacing them with today's stoners!
B: People have to stop being lazy and start doing things for themselves. Of course, if they insist on paying other people to do their work, who can stop them?
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