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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: Conservationist]
    #7717762 - 12/04/07 10:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The glorified roles that are associated with successful people are more driven on what you can get others to do. There are few 'success' roles that are a one man show. The lottery or a daytrader, but neither require a great deal of intelligence. More than with intelligence, success is more likely to be acquired with people skills. And people skills do not require a great deal of intelligence either.


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: Conservationist]
    #7718367 - 12/05/07 02:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

As a person of moderately high intelligence, I can vouch for the difficulty fitting in society.

School: Outcast for preferring chess and video games over playing with toy cars and listening to Blink 182. Socially awkward, etc...

Highschool: Never studied, slept in class and was generally a bad student. Still passed most of my tests with high marks, teachers often took me aside and told me that if they caught me cheating I'd fail (They never did, because I never cheated. I guess they can't accept that it's possible to reason almost everything) I failed a lot of math tests because I never used formulas we were taught. They'd tell me to show my work, then I would, and they'd take off points because that's not how I was intended to do it. I'd lose 2/3ds of my points or so on a lot of questions because of this. Of course, I could have bent over and did it right but I'm goddamned stubborn.

After high-school: Everyone gives me shit because I don't want to further my studies. "Oh, but you're so intelligent, you should become a doctor!". Fuckhole.

It's hard to have an interesting conversation with about(here comes an honest estimate) 60% of the population. If I talk on a relatively intellectual level, it happens more often than not that someone will say "yeah" and then just change the topic to something fucking retarded. I often get asked what words me, or find myself explaining simple concepts or the meaning of irony. I either have to dumb down my conversation and always agree with everyone, or ignore them, which I don't want to do.

So, along with immense pressure to lead a successful life (from just about everyone I know, and both sides of my large families, social awkwardness, I get way more shit when I do something "unlawful".

How many times have I heard "I expected better from a smart young man like yourself". I do drugs, every goddamn fucker on the planet gives me shit for it. Because I smoke pot, I've lost a lot of old intelligent friends and have to associate with dumb stoner stereotypes more than I want to. I've literally had to pretty much deliberately wreck my good kid reputation just to not get shit on a daily basis.

Conclusion: Majority of population is dumb -> smarter people can't relate to dumb people, activities, culture. A lot more is expected of intelligent people. Ignorance is bliss. Not only do intelligent people have a harder time ignoring things, they are aware of a much larger amount of things that need to be ignored to continue living a relatively happy life. We can't stop thinking.

That said, I lead a relatively happy life. I work damn hard to keep happy, and not dumb myself down at the same time. Even if I'm socially awkward, I'm not particularly shy, so I can still socialize when I'm with the right crowd.


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7718387 - 12/05/07 03:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Learn to talk about bananas and metaphysics at the same time. If they get the banana stuff, ok, if they get the metaphysics, great. The truly wise can function on many levels.


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: daytripper23]
    #7718442 - 12/05/07 04:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I could still talk intellectually about bananas. I'm not having conversation about deep philosophical shit most of the time. It's not the subject, it's the conversation.

I could talk about a banana and how certain vitamins effect whatever, or fun facts about them and stuff. "I don't care about that, I just like the way they taste"


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7718457 - 12/05/07 04:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I see a million posts in this thread proclaiming vast amounts of intellect. "I was taking college courses in third grade" and such. Is there anybody here who is just a normal schmuck with normal intelligence?




There was a poll here at the Shroomery a while back asking about IQ. I think the average response on the poll was around 150; a bit high considering the average of the population, by definition is 100 on a normal curve. I know my IQ is (or at least was, when tested) significantly less than 150.


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: Seuss]
    #7718596 - 12/05/07 06:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

it seems like perceived intelligence is sort of like perceived driving ability. Everyone thinks that theyre terrific drivers. The fact it, stupid people are too dumb to realize that theyre stupid. They arent even AWARE of the higher levels that other people are at.....same as i cant really comprehend what goes on in some genius' heads. I dont think id want to.

Perceived intelligence could also have a lot to do with communication skills. Sure, you know what youre talking about in your mind, but can you say it in a clear and organized manner? Such is a symptom of our technological society. Itll only get worse.


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: Colbadol]
    #7718806 - 12/05/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

never let em know you are the man behind the machine ; )


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7718844 - 12/05/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There's my life in a bag :smirk:

People of moderately high intelligence (avg+25) would feel the same around someone of average intelligence, as that person would feel around someone who is mentally retarded (avg-25).


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: trendal]
    #7718885 - 12/05/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

so, feel comfortable around everyone? ; )


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7718946 - 12/05/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So basicly, highly intelligent people don't have the patience to deal with average people... They'd rather work alone?


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: Seuss]
    #7719578 - 12/05/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Seuss said:
There was a poll here at the Shroomery a while back asking about IQ. I think the average response on the poll was around 150; a bit high considering the average of the population, by definition is 100 on a normal curve. I know my IQ is (or at least was, when tested) significantly less than 150.




Yep, everybody secretly thinks that they're a genius when in actuality the vast majority of us (myself included) have quite normal intellects. It gives one a smug sense of superiority to think that you are "above" the masses and more enlightened than them. I think it is nothing but condescending self-delusion.


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7719597 - 12/05/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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AlCapwn said:
As a person of moderately high intelligence, I can vouch for the difficulty fitting in society.

School: Outcast for preferring chess and video games over playing with toy cars and listening to Blink 182. Socially awkward, etc...




The reason that you sound like an outcast is not because you're smart; it's because you're a dork.  Don't feel bad...I'm a dork too.  I have known very very smart people (way smarter than me) who were really social and awesome with people and everybody loved them.  :shrug:


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7719607 - 12/05/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

We've been fucked ever since they started the whole "everybody is created equal" thing


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7719617 - 12/05/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You can be as smart as possible, but unless you have some work ethic, you will be no better off that someone barely above the level of mental retardation pushing a broom. In fact, you would most likely be worse off because you would no you have potential, but have no urge to act on it.

I do not believe the US is biased against smart people. I have thrived in the educational setting since I was very young and have learned a great deal about work ethic and responsibility from my schooling. I have also been fortunate enough to surround myself with intelligent people at almost all points during my life. Not all of these people are educated formally, but many are on par with, if not exceeding, my intelligence.

Society may be envious of or suspicious of intelligent people, but at the end of the day none of those feelings matter anyways.


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7719618 - 12/05/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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RandalFlagg said:
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Seuss said:
There was a poll here at the Shroomery a while back asking about IQ. I think the average response on the poll was around 150; a bit high considering the average of the population, by definition is 100 on a normal curve. I know my IQ is (or at least was, when tested) significantly less than 150.




Yep, everybody secretly thinks that they're a genius when in actuality the vast majority of us (myself included) have quite normal intellects. It gives one a smug sense of superiority to think that you are "above" the masses and more enlightened than them. I think it is nothing but condescending self-delusion.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wobegon_effect


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: Cowgold]
    #7719626 - 12/05/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Pretty much. Kinda how someone would get irritated if you weren't able to lift very much doing a labor job.


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7719752 - 12/05/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm positive there's a link between intelligence and dorkery. If I wasn't on the more intelligent side, maybe I'd have been able to endure shallow punk lyrics and associate better with my fellow peers.


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: Redstorm]
    #7720113 - 12/05/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Redstorm said:
You can be as smart as possible, but unless you have some work ethic, you will be no better off that someone barely above the level of mental retardation pushing a broom. In fact, you would most likely be worse off because you would no you have potential, but have no urge to act on it.





This is very true.. i've seen some very intelligent lazy fucks.


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7721095 - 12/05/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Caribou_Lou said:
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Redstorm said:
You can be as smart as possible, but unless you have some work ethic, you will be no better off that someone barely above the level of mental retardation pushing a broom. In fact, you would most likely be worse off because you would no you have potential, but have no urge to act on it.





This is very true.. i've seen some very intelligent lazy fucks.




But I bet that broom-pusher with the high IQ has zero credit debt, no matter how low his wage is. He's probably happier than the majority, too. :gethigh:


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Re: Society hates smart people [Re: slackophage]
    #11815805 - 01/12/10 03:19 PM (14 years, 19 days ago)

Ignorance is a badge of honor in schools today. If little Jimmy cannot add two and two but he can get a scholarship beating the shit out of little Bobby on the football field well AWLLLLLLLL RHightTTTTTTTTTTTT.

God forbid our kids question the pledge of allegiance, the education system, the political system, and the rest of the bull. If they can learn to blindly follow directions and punch the clock then we'll get them a good job fucking others out of their fake pieces of paper.


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