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The word "God" is played out.
#7697174 - 11/29/07 11:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most people don't know what the fuck they're talking about when they talk about "God". As a result, most people don't know what they are getting themselves into when they decide to indulge in a heated discussion regarding the aforementioned.
The word God exhudes too much personification to most, and I think we should stop using it and replace it with a new word that bears no face, yet encompasses all love, life, belief, truths, opportunities, illusions, laughter, creation, light, science, square dancing, french fries, super mario, and sasquach.
any suggestions for the new "god"?
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Ginseng1]
#7697282 - 11/29/07 11:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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no definition.
rather, talk context. describe using poetry.
communicate the undefinable through metaphor and example.
play the meaning.
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Ginseng1]
#7697443 - 11/30/07 01:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never use the "G" word.
I substitute it with the words Being, Consciousness, Presence, Awareness, The Universe etc...
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Middleman]
#7697511 - 11/30/07 02:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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"God is a concept by which we measure our pain" - John Lennon
God is good when we feel/are good. God is bad/evil/sick when we are as such.
We = God God = US
US = ALL
As above, so below. As below, so above.
AUM.
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Oi2Life]
#7697513 - 11/30/07 02:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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And middle man has it right. God is not external. God is within (to supplement my last post). I don't subscribe to an anthropomorphic idea of God. That's putting personification of everything outside the box into a small container with limits.
Edited by Oi2Life (11/30/07 02:12 AM)
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Middleman]
#7697558 - 11/30/07 03:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Middleman said: I never use the "G" word.
I substitute it with the words Being, Consciousness, Presence, Awareness, The Universe etc...
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Middleman said: Thank God.
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Middleman]
#7698105 - 11/30/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i still use the word, but only in the framework of what john c. lilly used to refer to as a simulation, a program, a model, a system of belief.
and even then, i'll only choose it when it empowers the context i wish to communicate. 
just say know. use language responsibly.
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Ginseng1]
#7698234 - 11/30/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exactly theres no specific meaning.
Everyone make up there own meaning yay! Better yet - start a cult of followers for your meaning.
Fuck God. I'm sick of such a false bullshit word.
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Ginseng1]
#7698749 - 11/30/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said: Most people don't know what the fuck they're talking about when they talk about "God". As a result, most people don't know what they are getting themselves into when they decide to indulge in a heated discussion regarding the aforementioned.
The word God exhudes too much personification to most, and I think we should stop using it and replace it with a new word that bears no face, yet encompasses all love, life, belief, truths, opportunities, illusions, laughter, creation, light, science, square dancing, french fries, super mario, and sasquach.
any suggestions for the new "god"?
Okay... I find your post interesting, but I have a couple minor issues with it.
I do somewhat agree that (based on my beliefs) most people have a poor concept of "god." But to outright say "Most people don't know what the fuck they're talking about when they talk about 'God'." is to adopt the mind-set of many Christians, and Muslims, and people of similar faiths, who believe that they are the only ones to truly know God, and that everyone else is simply wrong.
I find that position a little too egotistical and closed-minded.
Yes, it is true that many people have a very anthropomorphic view of deity. This is almost as old as mankind. But who are we to say that there is not some omnipotent, conscious, sentient being of a spiritual nature? Do you have proof? No one does, one way or the other.
When you say: "I think we should stop using it and replace it with a new word that bears no face, yet encompasses all love, life, belief, truths, opportunities, illusions, laughter, creation, light, science, square dancing, french fries, super mario, and sasquach."....
I do like this idea. In fact, this very closely resembles some of the ideas I have about "god." To me, god is one-plus-negative one. All things in the universe, physical and conceptual. Opposites, canceling each other out...an infinite everything, and an infinite nothing.
This is, of course, a very simplified version of my "ultimate" view of God. But your issue, I think (and where we disagree) is that people such as myself should choose another concept for this force. I have no issues with calling it "god." Your issues with this word are issues of personal psychology and semantics. You just have negative connotations associated with the word "god." And that's okay. Lots of people do.
I, on the other hand, realize that while I believe some truths to be universally, wholly true... I understand that the path to faith and understanding is a personal one. Maybe some of our beliefs are different...maybe some are similar. But I have no objection to using certain more "traditional" terms like "god." And when I hear of another person talking about "god" I recognize that they may view this force in a different way than I do...but the Higher Power they are talking about, is a valid facet of the concept I believe in, which encompasses all.
Anyway, I hope that makes sense.
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: CidneyIndole]
#7699296 - 11/30/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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CidneyIndole said:
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Ginseng1 said: Most people don't know what the fuck they're talking about when they talk about "God". As a result, most people don't know what they are getting themselves into when they decide to indulge in a heated discussion regarding the aforementioned.
The word God exhudes too much personification to most, and I think we should stop using it and replace it with a new word that bears no face, yet encompasses all love, life, belief, truths, opportunities, illusions, laughter, creation, light, science, square dancing, french fries, super mario, and sasquach.
any suggestions for the new "god"?
Okay... I find your post interesting, but I have a couple minor issues with it.
I do somewhat agree that (based on my beliefs) most people have a poor concept of "god." But to outright say "Most people don't know what the fuck they're talking about when they talk about 'God'." is to adopt the mind-set of many Christians, and Muslims, and people of similar faiths, who believe that they are the only ones to truly know God, and that everyone else is simply wrong.
I find that position a little too egotistical and closed-minded.
Yes, it is true that many people have a very anthropomorphic view of deity. This is almost as old as mankind. But who are we to say that there is not some omnipotent, conscious, sentient being of a spiritual nature? Do you have proof? No one does, one way or the other.
When you say: "I think we should stop using it and replace it with a new word that bears no face, yet encompasses all love, life, belief, truths, opportunities, illusions, laughter, creation, light, science, square dancing, french fries, super mario, and sasquach."....
I do like this idea. In fact, this very closely resembles some of the ideas I have about "god." To me, god is one-plus-negative one. All things in the universe, physical and conceptual. Opposites, canceling each other out...an infinite everything, and an infinite nothing.
This is, of course, a very simplified version of my "ultimate" view of God. But your issue, I think (and where we disagree) is that people such as myself should choose another concept for this force. I have no issues with calling it "god." Your issues with this word are issues of personal psychology and semantics. You just have negative connotations associated with the word "god." And that's okay. Lots of people do.
I, on the other hand, realize that while I believe some truths to be universally, wholly true... I understand that the path to faith and understanding is a personal one. Maybe some of our beliefs are different...maybe some are similar. But I have no objection to using certain more "traditional" terms like "god." And when I hear of another person talking about "god" I recognize that they may view this force in a different way than I do...but the Higher Power they are talking about, is a valid facet of the concept I believe in, which encompasses all.
Anyway, I hope that makes sense.
Indeed. I just find that the word gets played around too much and too easily by many people (maybe not most), but the fundamentalists definately are the ones that are too ego-centric and always have to set barriers for themslves, other people, but never to "god".
I might have come off as egotistical on my post, but all I meant to say is that many people often just personify "god" to the point where they always look to "him", yet they wallow in self pity. And THEY NEVER LOOK WITHIN THEMSELVES.
Ofcourse, to me, god is everything. God will forever be in me and I will forever be a part of God. I am God disguised as a human. All of us are. And all beings are god disguised in different shapes and forms. Everything that exists is God.
Right now, this is a discussion by the devine being.. with himself. Our "ego" we could say is but another gift of the natural flow of evolution to allow this to happen.
When I talk about God, I can assure you all, that my god is the same as all of yours.
Wouldn't you say that we ARE god coming into realization of HIMSELF?
That is the ultimate way to view ourselves and our eternal connection to God (energy/everything). But even by stating the latter sentence, many people would stll have the idea that "god" is something that is disconnected, until you die. Wrong.
I think we need a new word that encompasses all that I just wrote, along with what everybody else wrote, and make it concrete in a big way. Ofcourse that wont happen.
Let's just call it.. Mr. Universe. We all are either a Mr. or Ms. Universe.
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Ginseng1]
#7699396 - 11/30/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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In terms of coming to personal understanding, I think altered again put it nicely, its just a matter of context.
But on a social level, many people give God a bad name, creating the popular concept of God that is necessarily associated with dogmatic belief.
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Ginseng1]
#7699581 - 11/30/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said:
Let's just call it.. Mr. Universe.
God = ?
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: daytripper23]
#7699594 - 11/30/07 03:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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this word G_D is a word of death,
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Middleman]
#7699628 - 11/30/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Middleman said:
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Ginseng1 said:
Let's just call it.. Mr. Universe.
God = ?
those quads are pretty impressive man...
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Ginseng1]
#7699644 - 11/30/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Btw, the word God and the word Odin both come from the proto-germanic Wodanaz or Gudaniz which themselves come from the Proto-Indo-European root, gHu which meant to Call upon or invoke.
Hu resembles the ancient Greek word for God - Theo and the ancient Persian word for God - Khuda.
Thus Hu-man = God-man.
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Middleman]
#7699656 - 11/30/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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*notices the owl worship among the wealthy elite in correlation
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: machination]
#7699667 - 11/30/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow right, also the Egyptian Horus / Ra-Hoor-Khuti...
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: daytripper23]
#7699677 - 11/30/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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daytripper23 said: But on a social level, many people give God a bad name, creating the popular concept of God that is necessarily associated with dogmatic belief.
especially when you have it associated with a violent political institution.
god bless our nation, in money we trust.
context.
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7699696 - 11/30/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Check out the wire connecting Odin to the Sun. Hint, hint.
And is his staff broken or is he holding a mushroom?

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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Middleman]
#7699732 - 11/30/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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pluck out the right eye?
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Middleman]
#7699766 - 11/30/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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god to me is energy
my god is not your god, your god is not mine but its all our god
wether its a christian god wether its a catholic god wether its a mormon god etc
its all the SAME energy. we just practice different ways of living with/in it.
hating anothers god, because you live with our god differently, is hating on your own god, because its all our god, and hating theirs is hating yours, wether its yours or theirs or everyones or no ones.
its all the SAME ENERGY.
something, nothing, and everything, are all one, the same as mine, yours, and ours. its how we live with it, and our perceptions on it, but when it comes down to brass tacks and orgasms, its all the same energy. just live in it, and live with others in it, but dont portray your god as different as someone elses god because of the way they live in it.
its all the SAME ENERGY.
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: machination]
#7699768 - 11/30/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf, And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself; A wink of his eye and a twist of his head, Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: eyefyndum]
#7699812 - 11/30/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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God may be energy, but people's conceptions of it are very diverse and usually quite shallow.
All the violence, supression, and superstition of religion might be alleviated if folks dug a little deeper.
All the way to the roots...
"I know I hung on that windswept tree, Swung there for nine long nights, wounded by my own blade, Bloodied for Odin, Myself an offering to myself. Bound to the tree, That no man knows whither the roots of it run. None gave me bread, None gave me drink, Down to the deepest depths I peered until I spied the Runes. With a roaring cry I seized them up, Then dizzy fainting, I fell. Well being I won,and wisdom too. From a word to a word, I was led to a word, From a deed to another deed."
The Rune 'Eihwaz' means Yew.
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Re: The word "God" is played out. [Re: Middleman]
#7701138 - 11/30/07 10:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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God to me is the force of LIFE that fuels the evolution and experience of reality.
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