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EntheogenicPeace said: Edit: In the 2000 presidential elections, Ralph Nader (running fiercely independent from the mainstream of politics) got under 3% of the vote as the Green Party candidate, & only just under 0.5% in the 2004 presidential elections as an independent candidate. In the 2008 presidential elections, what do you honestly think Ron Paul (also running fiercely independent from the mainstream of politics) is going to get, assuming he runs as an independent after losing in the GOP primary?
I don't know why you would assume that he is running independent?
Ron Paul isn't Ralph Nader, and the situation America is in isn't anywhere near the same.
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ya, awesome. trade drugs for votes, because that's the kind of PR Paul would need in the long run, right?
You are aware that, if it came to light, none of the people who would be seriously offended by that would ever consider voting for him in the first because, you know, he's "weak on defense".
The drugs for votes is bad idea. People should vote for a candidate because they believe in them, not in exchange for drugs. If the national media (who are now perusing the internet to get scoops on Paul's campaign, and have been known to post links to posts like this in there Blogs, you could do some damage!
They love digging up sirt on pauls supporters because they can't find any on him.
Please drop it.
Please also provide a weak showing that Paul is weak on national Defence.
To the contrary , Paul has been HIGHLY critical of just how weak he thinks our national defence is, from weakened border security, to a sloppy CIA, to a Military running out of money and troops. The problem is so bad, we have had to send national Guard patrolling our borders, over to Iraq to patrol there's we are sitting ducks right now.
Paul wants to quit the Foreign Policing and Nation Building over seas, in exchange for making friends to trade with, and use that money to BEEF UP National Defence here at home!!! He wants to send smaller private groups after Al Queda individuals abroad.
The U.S. Can no afford this foreign Policy of Policing the world. We are running into serious national debt, having to borrow from foreign countries like China and will soon go Bankrupt.
Paul is STRONG on clearly understanding the global and financial mess we are in policing the world and using our Military to enforce U.N. resolutions and to secure Oil for western oil companies.
He wants to beef up defence at home.
If you have proof to anything that says otherwise, please post it. FYI- national defence at home is about as weak as it has ever been under the current administration and policy. troop moral, desertions and suicides are at their worst ever. Our military is falling to weak sauce at a rapid pace. Ron Paul consistantly gets more donations from U.S. military personel then any other war mongering candidate for a reason. They know he is right on all of this and they are backing him with their money.
Oh, and on Political chowder, a NH show, those people are saying that where they use to see Bush lawn signs, they are seeing Ron Paul lawn signs in their yards.
How many times does everyone have to be reminded that the "Scientific polls," poll those who were registered with the republican party that voted in the last primary.
Any idea how many people that leaves out who have since registered republican , if they need to in their state, who will be voting for Paul in this Primary.
Those polls are meaningless when it comes to the candidate, getting people coming out to register and vote for the first time ever in a primary , and pulling from the registered Democrats, Independents, and 3rd parties.
For example, Paul wins our polls here, and most of his supporters here, say they will be voting for him in their states primary. How many of them do you think voted in the last republican primary? probably zero.
When it comes to Paul, those polls are far from painting an accurate picture of voter turn out for him in the primaries.
My mom and sister were registered Dems. they will be voting for Paul in the Illinois primary. I was registered with the Green Party and re-registered Republican to vote for Paul in the Florida Primary.
This is what is happening on a large scale across the country and the 'scientific polls" are not measuring it at all.
Guess what everyone?
Paul raised more money in the first 2 months of this quarter then any other republican candidate did in the whole of the last quarter. He is over $10,000,000 now. The Boston Tea Party money bomb scheduled for the 16th, expects to raise another $10,000,000. Paul is going to be able to dominate the advertising in the early states.
Get a clue to what has been going on.
Someone put up and idea for a Ron Paul Blimp a few weeks ago. The goal was to raise, $400,000. They raised and passed it already. This is one example of how utterly crazed, dedicated, motivated, and organized paul supporters are to get him national media attention, more supporters and the nomination.
Rudy Giuliani said to Paul after the last debate " You have a lot of supporters" Paul responded by saying, " And it's only the beginning"
You all ain't seen nothing yet.
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Re: Ron Paul has my vote [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Those numbers are just as close to 4 as they are to 10.
Yes, but he is on an upward trend, and there is no sign that his momentum will not continue through the month of December. The media has been covering him more and other candidates are starting to spar with him - a sign that they feel threatened by the standard that he sets for the primary campaigns. I think John McCain, by the way, hurt himself more by trying to jab at Ron Paul with the statement that having a non-intervention policy in the '30's was the reason why Adolph Hitler came to take over most of Europe. 
The climate that Ron Paul's presence in creating doesn't translate into high MSM poll numbers and debate minute time yet, but there is clearly other convincing signs of this as just the beginning for his movement.
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Which is what his national numbers are. They also curiously exist only after steep one month increases in all the states mentioned.
Which is likely an observable consequence of Ron Paul's usage of money in these states in the last month, when he began to start doing so, especially after 11/5, which also brought to him a lot of MSM attention. As I've already stated, the month of December will change everything even more, and, as I said, Ron Paul is on an upward trend, with no real sign that he is getting weaker.
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He is going nowhere.
Then you aren't paying attention.
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Considering how much you've pretty much misunderstood about the subject, I think you must be living in a different solar system.
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He's not really a snowball in hell. Most of his ideas and stances aren't extreme for the Republican party traditionally. A lot of his ideas are similar to the ones that Ronald Reagan had, and Republicans seem to adore Ronald Reagan. He's reaching a lot of people that would otherwise not vote Republican - a very active, progressive, younger blood. He's demonstrated a way of campaigning and utilization of the internet that could benefit the party if they followed him. Not only that, but he can also keep the Christian conservatives who have not really been happy with their choices and have speculated about going to a third party.
Sometimes the most effective means of achieving success is not through the status quo, and I think that it only makes sense that party leaders and others involved do not take an encompassing view and develop a sense of what is happening in their party.
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he has my vote too! Rockefeller is scared of him.
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> Are you gonna tell me with a straight face that you think Ron Paul has a snowball's chance in hell of getting the GOP nomination?
I think he has a lot better chance than most non-supporters give him credit for, yet I think he has a lot worse chance than most of his supporters would like to believe. I certainly wouldn't write him off, if for no other reason than the tenacity of his supporters. We will know soon enough, but he has the potential to stun a lot of people. Of course, he could flop just as easily. Time will tell.
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Re: Ron Paul has my vote [Re: Seuss]
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Ron Paul is from a red state, and has continued to be re-elected by his district over and over, despite the efforts of the more fascist wing of the party.
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Re: Ron Paul has my vote [Re: Silversoul]
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EntheogenicPeace said: I just know that in a lot of 'red' states that are very, how should I say politely... proto-fascist... Ron Paul isn't even gonna show up on the radar in the state's GOP primaries.
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EntheogenicPeace said: When's the first GOP primary? It will be interesting to see how he does.
You know.... It is strange.
For some reason, I feel no need to consider that your perspective on his registering on the radar screen in the GOP primaries resemble the nature of reality, quite possibly, because you don't even know which state has the first primary, or when it takes place.
I'm willing to chance that Ron Paul will win the New Hampshire primary. There is a lot of positive reasons to be optimistic about that state for him. The simple fact that the primary is open will really help him receive votes. He has more delegates than Giluliani in that state. I've heard commentary from local politicians on round-table all affirm the very real presence of Ron Paul and his support there. Apparently the state is a sea of Ron Paul signs.
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Re: Ron Paul has my vote [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said: I certainly wouldn't write him off, if for no other reason than the tenacity of his supporters.
There has to be a reason he receives so much support, in the ways in which he does.
His record and experience are rock-solid. He is willing to stand for ideals over any special-interests. He doesn't compromise what he stands for, and what he stands for is the ideals this country was founded upon. That resonates with people because it expresses and defends the basic human rights that all human beings have. He is increasingly more effective in communicating with the media and in debates. He raises the most money in the GOP now. He has clearly stood for removing our troops from Iraq in mere months, something which most Americans want to happen - especially the troops, it seems, who have donated more money to Ron Paul than all other GOP candidates combined... troops in which more Iraqi war veterans have committed suicide than have died in combat...
He's charismatic and full of energy. He's endearing. He actually acts as someone who is aware of what this country really needs and is bold enough to stand for it in the face of a status quo majority. He respects the sovereignity of individuals and trusts that we can take care of ourselves if we are given incentives, if our money is not taken away for unnecessary federal spending, if we are given more opportunity to actively participate in our government by shifting the center of government back towards the states, closer to the will of the people.
The people are noticing it, the media is noticing it, and I'm quite sure that senior politicans and everyone who is watching are noticing it as well.
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Well, since all the hics in the state you live in are informed solely by the television or radio news networks, who ignore or downplay Ron Paul consistently, since they are behind their pet candidate Clinton2, you are probably right. In the end, the nightly news picks the president.
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EntheogenicPeace said: Nice cheapshot. Because I don't know the specific date of an event, I must have no clue whatsoever on how Ron Paul is going to do in the state in which I live.
You didn't express that, at that point, you were talking about your specific state. You referred to Red-leaning states, and did not clarify that you were speaking for only one state.
My point is in regards to the perspective on Ron Paul's chances in general, anyways... I'm making it clear that you haven't been paying attention, so your vauge, unsubstantiated ideas of what is actually happening in the primaries and with candidates' chances are pretty uninformed.
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Whenever the Republican Party in my state has their primary, I'm gonna PM you the results of how Ron Paul does.
No need; I am going to follow the results on my own, since I'm actually interested in what is happening in them.
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It would be wonderful if I am refuted
You've already been refuted, the only question is if you, by luck, made an accurate prediction.
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, but I'm not gonna hold my breath (both because I'm 99% sure he'll do poorly, & because I don't know when the primary is).
Define precisely what you mean by "poorly", and which state in particular we are referring to, and we can objectively determine if you have any basis on reality.
Feel like putting up?
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Re: Ron Paul has my vote [Re: Viveka]
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