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OfflineGreenNirvana101
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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: verminute]
    #7719262 - 12/05/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

alright - im redunking and rolling RIGHT NOW. These babies are underhydrated and I need to do something about it!

Is there a certain type of verm to buy? I bought the jars pre-mixed, so I dont know anything about verm. THanks.

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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: GreenNirvana101]
    #7719340 - 12/05/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Get mid-grade verm., not fine.

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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: verminute]
    #7719520 - 12/05/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

my grow is right with you guys. I dunked on the 27th birthed into the FC on the 28th and they show no signs of pinning either, I JUST GOTTA WAIT IT OUT!
I use an automated FC 73 degrees @ 97%-100% Rh 12/12 light cycle, Also its my first grow i have 8 strains

this is a little of what i have going on a few days ago, i need to take updated pics


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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: P.Menace]
    #7719538 - 12/05/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

my pf tek jars took about two weeks to pin. just be patient and keep up the fae.

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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: goldieman]
    #7721811 - 12/05/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

alright - well I got the vermiculite and I am "re-birthing" and rolling the cakes tomorrow and then I will take a new picture and keep ya updated!

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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: verminute]
    #7723814 - 12/06/07 10:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Alright so I dunked for 24 hours and rolled in some vermiculite. I also cut out the top of my FC and put a plexi glass insert in there for more light source.

Now its time to wait!!! Heres some pics for my update!







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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: GreenNirvana101]
    #7723850 - 12/06/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Another question...

Is there any suggestions for FAE? Right now I have a filtered air pump constantly pumping air into the chamber, and I take the top off and fan it every 4 hours or so.

However, this Saturday I will be gone all day and will be coming back Sunday morning. So I would like to know if there are any other ways people FAE their chambers if they aren't there for a weekend or so.

Any suggestions? Thanks.

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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: GreenNirvana101]
    #7723870 - 12/06/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

coolmist humidifiers, poly-fil stuffed holes, fans, etc. your method should be fine though. soon enough you will be tripping balls, just be patient.


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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: CantiSama]
    #7724123 - 12/06/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Haha, great response above.

Yeah, for a single day you should be fine. Keep that light off though.

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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: verminute]
    #7724261 - 12/06/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it should be fine


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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: armyabe]
    #7726056 - 12/06/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what i see now, is tiny, white, pin head size dots, some with color, others just white, im pretty sure this is the beginnings of pins
the question is

what does a sizeable amount of clustering mean? a lot of these are grouped fairly close to one another, is this going to infringe on the growth of some, being so close together?

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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: Ender Wiggin]
    #7729988 - 12/07/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Catbear, I think you can kinda tell that your cakes are dehydrated (presumably due to lack of the "roll") by looking at how different the shapes of the cakes are... especially before the fruit shows up. Look in the picture without the lights on, if you look at the cake in the upper right hand of the pic. it looks a LOT different than when it first came out of the jar. Cakes deflate, all media will deflate or warp with the loss of moisture. You might want to experiment around with the straw tek on your next grow. With a little probing you'll find pics of cakes with straws jammed in them. I'd wait until after you get your results from this crop and then compare with the results from your next. It should be a lot of fun for you!


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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: GreenNirvana101]
    #7730375 - 12/07/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

GreenNirvana101 said:
Another question...

However, this Saturday I will be gone all day and will be coming back Sunday morning. So I would like to know if there are any other ways people FAE their chambers if they aren't there for a weekend or so.

Any suggestions?




Based on the pics I have seen I can't tell how you are delivering humitiy to the FC aside from the meduim you have the cakes sitting on... How are you maintaining 100%+ RH and what are you using to measure RH?

If you are just pumping air into the FC, that is really not exchanging the air inside of the FC from an efficiency stantpoint, may want to get some poly-fill ventage in there. The problem with a tub FC is the daily manual maintenance that has to go into exchanging the air, but if you can only fan once one day that isn't going to hurt it too much.


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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: blueshroprachaun]
    #7730424 - 12/07/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I just use perlite and have a hydrometer in the FC. I also occasionally mist the FC too. I've heard of polyfill before, but what does it actually do and how does it work?

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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: GreenNirvana101]
    #7730525 - 12/07/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If you are confident in your hydrometer's accuracy, you should be ok. Polyfill helps FAE and helps keep contams out and RH in better than just a plain hole in your tub. Here is a recent post that shows how to implement.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7516303/page/0/fpart/5/vc/1

The tek he is using here is more advanced, but gives you a good general idea of how it's used.

IME the perlite / tub / cake tek was a frustrating PITA, low flush regret. If you have the same type of encounter I would recommend the upgrade to a MARTHA FC with a timed coolmist inside, and switching to casings the next time around. That may sound complicated and expensive, but after you have gone as far as you have it's really not that complicated and the slight expense is more than worth it.


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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: blueshroprachaun]
    #7746760 - 12/11/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

FIRST PINS!! wooooot. However, it looks like everything is growing on the bottom... is it because the water flows to the bottom of the cakes? How can I get shrooms pinning everywhere?




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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: GreenNirvana101]
    #7746886 - 12/11/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

spraying.


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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: ewikk055]
    #7747494 - 12/11/07 11:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

RR says they grow from the bottom because it's closer to perlite. But, I think it could also be because while you were incubating the jars, they were right side up. When you birth them, the cakes are upside down and if you don't turn them right side up again, they'll pin from the bottom.


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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: c0_hush]
    #7747878 - 12/12/07 01:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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RR says they grow from the bottom because it's closer to perlite. But, I think it could also be because while you were incubating the jars, they were right side up. When you birth them, the cakes are upside down and if you don't turn them right side up again, they'll pin from the bottom.




This is not the case in my grow... I incubated the jars turned upside down (for gas exchange) and then i birthed the cakes to that position as well. All of the pins grew from the parts of the cake that were covered in verm. (some of my cakes were rolled and others werent) I simply flipped the cakes over to discover large clusters of pins forming. I intend to leave the jars in this position
The Verm is a place needed for the hyphal knotting stage to occur. Hyphal knots grow from below the surface. the verm in this case is the top... and being moist these two factors create the ideal environment for the pinning to occur.
also the moisture contained within the cake migrates toward the bottom of the cake due to gravity.

Indirectly Mist the cakes when fanning and watch the pins double in size at an exponential rate, while watching other pins appear all over the entire cakes surface in time.

DISCLAIMER: I am a noob to this as well. This is just the result of MY personal findings and experiences growing so far.
Please feel free to criticize my $0.02, If its not credible


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Re: No Pinning, but cotton-like growth. PIC [Re: GreenNirvana101]
    #7748051 - 12/12/07 05:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

your cakes are showing you where conditions are best for pin formation in your fruiting chamber; increasing the humidity level, raising the number of fresh air exchanges per day, and spraying the cakes to give them more water are all possible solutions to your problem.  Sherlock holmes that shit and find out what is the best solution for your situation relative to your fruiting chamber :grin:


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