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New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge
#7695591 - 11/29/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It has been a while since we had a challenge and due to inflation, the prize is now $25,000 instead of $20,000. Yay!
All one has to do is to prove to me that they can distinguish an Enlightened Master from a Wise Old Man.
I eagerly await the non-participants.
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I wouldn't distinguish... if I can tell somebody has something to teach me, I will learn.
-------------------- Enlil said: You really are the worst kind of person.
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an Enlightened Master from a Wise Old Man.
An enlightened master is a new age term and a wise old man has a patina.
You can PM me for my address. And just in time for Xmas.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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It seems like simply a difference of degree. Like distinguishing white from off-white.
I wonder if anyone would take up the $10,000 challenge in my sig.
Disclaimer: I don't actually have $10,000 to put up. You'll have to talk to the late Robert Anton Wilson. I wish you luck in finding a good medium to channel his spirit.
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The only difference I can perceive is: You can ALWAYS find someone wiser and older than yourself.
"Enlightened" Shmoopy, is PAST TENSE... as in it already happened.
Show me a person who is, "Enlightened" in all ways.
Sure you can always find someone MORE enlightened than yourself... but completely, "Enlightened"? In all ways? Like a Jack-Buddhist uses the word? I don't believe it is possible.
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
Edited by Rose (11/29/07 06:55 PM)
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Rose]
#7696413 - 11/29/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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For once I agree with you orgone. Enlightenment is largely a term of social status in my opinion.
But maybe enlightenment is a term that denotes a finality, whereas wisdom really has either no limit, or is limited by the finality of enlightenment.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: daytripper23]
#7696450 - 11/29/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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For once I agree with you orgone.
The birds stop singing as the sky grows dark and the earth stops spinning on its axis. One by one the stars wink out.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Silversoul]
#7696482 - 11/29/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:I wonder if anyone would take up the $10,000 challenge in my sig.
Well, I assume you have some particular definition of 'normal' right?
I would define 'normal' to be something that happens most the time. Well over fifty percent of the time. For example if I let go of a rock without pushing it, it falls to the earth. If I show that to you, I have demonstrated something normal. If the sun rises in the morning, that is something normal.
Im not up on philosophers specific definitions. What does 'normal' mean in philosophy?
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: DieCommie]
#7696589 - 11/29/07 07:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am no expert, but it would appear that the "wise old man" is more wrinkly but knows the time, and the "enlightened master" adorns himself with make-up and accessories.... 
>^;;^<
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Wise Old Man:

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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Clean]
#7696656 - 11/29/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Almost all accounts of the Buddha described him as giving off a sort of inner light and radiating with serenity. I think this is probably why most people's reaction to the "Enlightened Master" is that he can't be trusted, because these qualities can be (and often are) convincingly aped by hollow men.
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Well I'm not attempting to prove anything, but an enlightened master can read your mind and tell you things about your past, while a wise old man cannot.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Middleman]
#7696838 - 11/29/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Middleman said: Well I'm not attempting to prove anything, but an enlightened master can read your mind and tell you things about your past, while a wise old man cannot.
Bullshit.
First, show me an enlightened master.
Second... what do you think wisdom is?
Wisdom is when someone old (or vastly experienced) uses their combined, world knowledge in order to come to the correct conclusion during a given situation... EVEN WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS.
It looks like magic... but it is not. Like all REAL magic, mind reading is just an illusion.
What you perceive as mind reading (perhaps from a great martial arts instructor... or something) is not really mind reading at all... it just seems like it is.
It really is something FAR more important. What you mistake for mind reading is simple OBSERVATION. An observant man can predict your thoughts. It is why we play poker. And it is why some people practice arts such as Tai-Chi. 
Wisdom, not SPIRITuality, is the path to enlightenment.
Awareness is the path to wisdom.
If you REALLY want to chase a dragon, try heroin... it is cheaper, and it works fast.
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Rose]
#7696945 - 11/29/07 09:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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How can you say "Bullshit"? It must be nice to be SO sure of yourself.
Open your mind and heart if you want to meet a master, "when the student is ready the teacher appears."
I guess you've never had a guy tell you something specific about your past, like "You killed a bear cub when you were 11."
There are many stories like this, like when Ram Dass' guru mentioned his mother's spleen...
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Middleman]
#7696985 - 11/29/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I say bullshit because you are not correct.
Middleman, I have had enough, "Masters" (from MANY faiths and many paths) read my mind... to begin to learn the, "trick" myself.
I know, this lesson can be a bit like learning there is no Santa Claus... in your 20's... but I am not lying.
Stories are stories. They serve their purpose, but they are all just stories. Stories live in the mind... and not the real world. Stories are the past.
Trust me, I KNOW stories. Stories get better with age.
Show me an enlightened man.
Until you do, the, "Bullshit" stands.
It is not wise to mistake the wise for the enlightened. Look at what happened to Jesus!
I'd LOVE to be proven wrong... but yeah, I'm pretty sure of myself. It IS quite nice. Thank you.
I never killed that bear cub... I SWEAR!
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Rose]
#7697180 - 11/29/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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*Van Praagh to American parents of dead child doing a cold-reading*
VP: I am sensing some sort of Disney connection. Did your child have some sort of a Disney toy; perhaps a Mickey Mouse or a Donald Duck watch or plate or doll?
Parents: Um, no.
VP: Well, it is there. Perhaps you went to Disneyland?
Parents: (Uncomfortable) Never.
VP: Drove by or near a Disneyland?
Parents: Don't think so.
VP: Really? Never went to Florida or California?
Parents: Well, when Sharon was pregnant we flew to Miami to see her parents.
VP: BINGO!
Parents: Wow! Very impressive!
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That's another cool trick.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: bumble]
#7697671 - 11/30/07 05:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ask him flat out, "What are you?"
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: soulcircus]
#7697869 - 11/30/07 08:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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An enlightened master could heal me with a miracle.
The purpose of the miracle is not a spectacle for what would that prove?
That mountains can be moved by faith?
Why see this if after you blink in astonishment, he walks away, and you are left with your old self again, with simply a memory of a "spectacular" event.
But what would make it any more spectacular then any other memory, if it has no healing effects on the mind?
Thus, an enlightened master would have to show me timelessness. And a miracle of healing would show me my true self, which IS timeless.
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All one has to do is to prove to me that they can distinguish an Enlightened Master from a Wise Old Man.
Can I take part in this and win the $25,000?
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It's really easy...I'm surprised no one has got it yet.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Middleman]
#7698095 - 11/30/07 09:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Open your mind and heart if you want to meet a master, "when the student is ready the teacher appears."
 Thanks for repeating this worn out (wrong) platitude. There is no evidence for this at all. No masters, all Buddhas waiting to be killed on the road.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: DieCommie]
#7698258 - 11/30/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:I wonder if anyone would take up the $10,000 challenge in my sig.
Well, I assume you have some particular definition of 'normal' right?
I would define 'normal' to be something that happens most the time. Well over fifty percent of the time. For example if I let go of a rock without pushing it, it falls to the earth. If I show that to you, I have demonstrated something normal. If the sun rises in the morning, that is something normal.
Im not up on philosophers specific definitions. What does 'normal' mean in philosophy?
That's a nice attempt, except the challenge is for it to be completely normal in every respect.
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Surely the enlightened master will blow you up with some chi where as the wise old man will probably just build you a desk made of MDF?
However, mark me as non-participant swami.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Rose]
#7700075 - 11/30/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: Wisdom is when someone old (or vastly experienced) uses their combined, world knowledge in order to come to the correct conclusion during a given situation... EVEN WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS.
Isn't this called luck....? They won't know if the person came to the right conclusion until after all of the facts are in....  Technically....
>^;;^<
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7700377 - 11/30/07 06:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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PhanTomCat said: Isn't this called luck....?
You have a point... but luck is based on odds. Try your luck enough and you will eventually break even.
If you are observant... or wise, you can always figure out it is going to rain BEFORE you actually get wet. It is not dumb luck. You don't need ALL the facts.
You don't need to see a fire to know where smoke comes from.
Some unobservant people may call it, "Magic" or, "Enlightenment" when an observant person comes to the correct conclusion without all the facts. They are wrong.
You called it, "Luck"... that too is incorrect.
There is a difference between an educated guess, and a guess.
The odds are FAR better for the wise.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Rose]
#7713126 - 12/03/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If one would truly be wise, I would think that they would refrain from guessing at anything at all - it increases the odds of not being right OR wrong.... 
(I didn't call it luck, I asked if it was called luck.... )
>^;;^<
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OrgoneConclusion said: All one has to do is to prove to me that they can distinguish an Enlightened Master from a Wise Old Man.
Just curious: What exactly is your standard of proof here? Wouldn't you need to be able to distinguish the two in order to tell if we were right or not?
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: trendal]
#7713376 - 12/03/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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trendal said: It's really easy...I'm surprised no one has got it yet.
Curious as to your guess too..... 
There is no difference, they are both men....?
>^;;^<
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7713505 - 12/03/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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An enlightened master will do, the wise old man has done.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: AlCapwn]
#7713512 - 12/03/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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An enlightened master does not necessarily have to be old.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Silversoul]
#7714109 - 12/04/07 06:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> An enlightened master does not necessarily have to be old.
Nor does an old man necessarily have to be wise.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Seuss]
#7714133 - 12/04/07 07:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ahh, so now we know that age and wisdom are not in relation.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Middleman]
#7714205 - 12/04/07 07:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Middleman said: I guess you've never had a guy tell you something specific about your past, like "You killed a bear cub when you were 11."
Shit man, even I could have told you that you killed a bear cub at the age of 11 and Ive never even met your ass. That shit is just plain obvious nigga
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: TheCow]
#7714278 - 12/04/07 08:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: TheCow]
#7714297 - 12/04/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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TheCow said: Shit man, even I could have told you that you killed a bear cub at the age of 11 and Ive never even met your ass. That shit is just plain obvious nigga
Well, he is wearing a shirt that says "I Killed A Bear Cub At The Age Of 11". T-shirts like that don't come along every day. Kind of brings attention to one, I would think.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: fireworks_god]
#7714424 - 12/04/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I were you, I would beware bears. 
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7714426 - 12/04/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, because I know how overwhelmed I will be with the desire to tickle them relentlessly, regardless.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said: Yes, because I know how overwhelmed I will be with the desire to tickle them relentlessly, regardless.
I know all about your ticklish points and I'm ready to show you what I know.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7714438 - 12/04/07 09:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bring it on, sista.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: fireworks_god]
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: fireworks_god]
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There you go
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Middleman]
#7714449 - 12/04/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, if you weren't such a lush, you wouldn't throw up like that.
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7714451 - 12/04/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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There you go
Ohh dude!
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: fireworks_god]
#7714462 - 12/04/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Silversoul]
#7714755 - 12/04/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Silversoul said: An enlightened master does not necessarily have to be old.
BTW, I'll be awaiting your check in the mail, OC.
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Middleman

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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Silversoul]
#7715041 - 12/04/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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deimya
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Re: New Shmoopy $25,000 challenge [Re: Middleman]
#7715119 - 12/04/07 12:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The enlightened master is surrounded by uptight tadpoles, the wise old man should be wise, old enough and of the male kind.
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