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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: Syle]
    #7698169 - 11/30/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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did anyone else feel that every single video was agenda ladened by democrats?




Yep. The blogosphere is all over that today -- CNN was so transparently obvious about it. As well, of course, as the fact that the general is a Hillary campaign operative and at least half a dozen of the other questions so far have been shown to be from Democrat supporters.

There's no doubt at all that CNN cherry-picked the questions to re-inforce stereotypes. It was so blatant that even a few of the Libbie bloggers picked up on it.




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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: Phred]
    #7698200 - 11/30/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That doesn't really suprise me. Regardless of whether the questions were planted or not they ARE questions. If a democrat could think it up I'm sure there are plenty of non-democrats that actually have that question on their mind. And regardless of which party thought of the question, in the end the president is going to represent ALL people in AMERICA in ALL parties so he/she should be able to anwer any question that comes across the table.

I don't believe so much in the 'liberal media' conspiracy theory, but I do believe there are plenty of biased sources on both sides.

CNN is one of those that are pretty liberally biased IMO. Thats why they call it the Communist News Network (CNN.. get it.. waka waka waka).

Like I mentioned before...The MORNING OF the 2004 election they constantly broadcasted a story about how some random flyer of Bush speaking in front of the troops was photoshopped to make it look like more troops than there actually were.

Between the fact that that story wasn't in the LEAST bit newsworthy (it wouldn't evenbe newsworthy in a high school newspaper) and the time they broadcasted it... it was a blatant attempt at influencing people's votes the morning of the election.

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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7698877 - 11/30/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Somone actually took the time to give a complete breakdown of the time each candidate had to speak-


Number of Times a Candidate Received First Crack at a Question
(RG) Rudy Giuliani (8)
(FT) Fred Thompson (7)
(MH) Mike Huckabee (4)
(MR) Mitt Romney (4)
(TT) Tom Tancredo (3)
(RP) Ron Paul (3)
(JM) John McCain (2)
(DH) Duncan Hunter (2)


Number of Times a Candidate Had "The Floor"
(RG) Rudy Giuliani - 19
(MR) Mitt Romney - 19
(JM) John McCain - 12
(FT) Fred Thompson - 11
(MH) Mike Huckabee - 11
(RP) Ron Paul - 9
(TT) Tom Tancredo - 7
(DH) Duncan Hunter - 7


Total Talk Time
(RG) Rudy Giuliani - 16:45
(MR) Mitt Romney - 13:39
(JM) John McCain - 11:39
(FT) Fred Thompson - 10:26
(MH) Mike Huckabee - 9:37
(RP) Ron Paul - 7:21
(DH) Duncan Hunter - 4:46
(TT) Tom Tancredo - 3:50



Complete Breakdown of talk time on issues
Q1 - Immigration #1
Rudy - 1:30
Mitt - 1:01
Rudy - 0:40
Mitt - 0:54
Rudy - 0:05

Q2 - Immigration #2
Fred - 2:05
Rudy - 0:37
John - 1:59
Tom - 0:30

Q3 - Immigration #3
Tom - 1:04
Duncan - 1:11

Q4 - Immigration #4
Mitt - 1:58
Mitt - 0:45
Mitt - 0:41
Mitt - 0:36

Q5 - Council of Foreign Relations
Ron - 1:37

Q6 - National Debt
John - 1:19
Mitt - 0:44
Ron - 0:46

Q7 - Top 3 Federal Programs to Reduce
Fred - 1:29
Ron - 0:43
Mitt - 0:45

Q8 - Fair Tax?
John - 1:21
Ron - 0:35

Q9 - Veto Tax Bill?
Tom - 0:10
Mitt - 0:05
Mitt - 0:03
Rudy - 0:10
Fred - 0:10
John - 0:15
Ron - 0:10
Duncan - 0:20

Q10 - Farm Subsidies
Mitt - 1:19
Rudy - 0:35

Special Question For RG Regarding Scandal broke by Politico
RG - 0:25

Q11 - Toys With Lead?
TT - 0:40
DH - 0:38

Response to Fred Thompson Attack Ad
FT - 0:17
MR - 0:48
MH - 0:38

COMMERCIAL BREAK
(RG)-Rudy Giuliani (MR)-Mitt Romney (FT)-Fred Thompson (RP)-Ron Paul (JM)-John McCain (TT)-Tom Tancredo (DH)-Duncan Hunter

Q12 - Gun Control #1
DH - 0:50

Q13 - Gun Control #2
RG - 1:40
FT - 0:54
RG - 0:34

Q14 - Gun Control #3
FT - 0:08
JM - 0:12
DH - 0:23
MR - 0:05

Q15 - Black on Black Crime
MR - 1:17
RG - 0:52
MR - 0:28

Q16 - Abortion #1
RP - 1:19
FT - 0:58

Q17 - Abortion #2
RG - 0:52
MR - 0:30

Q18 - Death Penalty
MH - 1:31
TT - 0:24

Q19 - Do You Believe the Bible?
RG - 1:02
MR - 0:34
MH - 1:04

COMMERCIAL BREAK

Q20 - Iraq #1
RG - 1:33
JM - 1:24
DH - 0:26

Q21 - Waterboarding
MR - 1:15
JM - 0:58
MR - 0:52
JM - 1:01

Q22 - Iraq #2
FT - 1:15
RP - 0:58
JM - 0:57
RP - 0:47
TT - 0:28

Q23 - Giuliani Using 9/11?
RG - 1:35

Q24 - Power of VP
FT - 1:22
JM - 0:56

COMMERCIAL BREAK

Q25 - Gays in Military
DH - 0:58
MH - 0:25
MR - 0:38
JM - 0:42

Q26 - Log Cabin Republicans
MH - 0:50

Q27 - National Debt
FT - 0:58
MR - 0:35

Q28 - Space Exploration
MH - 0:54
TT - 0:34

Q29 - Why Don't African Americans Vote Republican
RG - 1:30
MH - 0:46

Q30 - Star and Bars
MR - 0:53
FT - 0:50

Q31 - Infrastructure
RG - 1:18
RP - 0:26
JM - 0:35
RG - 0:30

Q32 - Ron Paul Run Independent?
RP - 0:46

Q33 - Why Did Giuliani Root For the Red Sox
RG - 0:56
MR - 0:22


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7698905 - 11/30/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

that's some bulLLLshit right there.

This is why they need to enfore that 90 second rule

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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: Phred]
    #7699015 - 11/30/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Another day, another media fraud. CNN “The most trusted name in news,” what a joke.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: BIGSWANG]
    #7699052 - 11/30/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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they all love to spend tax money, even your beloved ron paul will need to use up our tax dollars, especially if he wants all the changes in his mind to happen




Please learn about him before making sweeping statements. In his ten terms of congress, he never once voted to raise taxes, or for an unbalanced budget. He never voted to raise congressional salary, he has never taken a government paid for junket, he does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program, and he returns a portion of his UNUSED Congressional budget back to the U.S. Treasury Dept. every year.

PLEASE elaborate on what it is Ron Paul wants to do that will cost us more money?


He wants to take a machete to practically every expense in the Federal government, besides keeping up a strong national defence at home, and taking care of the vets.

This is man, so responsible and caring of our tax money, that when it came up on the floor of the house, to give Rosa Parks a medal for her stance on civil rights, Ron Paul voted NO..

He stood up and said, "It isn't right for us to spend tax payer money on this. I think she deserves one ( Paul appreciates civil disobedience). He then, pulled a $100 bill out of his own wallet and said, " I think we should all chip in for it with our own money. Here is my hundred." No one else wanted to use their own money for it and the vote to get the tax payers to pay for it won.

Name one program Paul wants to spend money on besides keeping up a strong national defence and taking better care of the vets.

Ron Paul is a candidate for taking a lot of heat because people think the cuts he wants to make to bloated, useless federal Government programs are "extreme". He doesn't just want budget cuts to them, he wants to phase them out entirely.

He also would not allow any of his 5 children to take out government loans to pay for their college. He had them work part time and borrow from him. He personally did not feel that it was right for his kids to use other peoples tax money to put themselves through college, when those taxes could've gone towards something that everyone benefits from.

This is the sort of ethics, integrity and sense of responsibility Ron Paul has for our tax dollars.

That is why he is so beloved to some of us!!!


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7699097 - 11/30/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

He sounds like my best friends' dad.. refuses to take a loan out for anything. This is why he still has cars that are like 20 years old.

No wonder my buddy learned to be cheap. Dude gets annoyed when I send him a measly text message :P

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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7699110 - 11/30/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article745.chtml

"House approval for a Parks medal came Wednesday, April 21, by a vote of 424 to 1. The Senate had approved the legislation unanimously, 86-0, the day before. It now goes to President Clinton, who is believed to be certain to sign it into law. "

I bet everyone who read that article is like

"Who's that ONE asshole that voted NO"

hehe

And I garuntee you, if it hasn't been done already, that someone will use that against him without giving the full context.

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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7699214 - 11/30/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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BrAiN said:
He sounds like my best friends' dad.. refuses to take a loan out for anything. This is why he still has cars that are like 20 years old.

No wonder my buddy learned to be cheap. Dude gets annoyed when I send him a measly text message :P




Paul refused his children from taking out a government funded student loan, because tax dollars are used for it, that the people who paid the taxes should be benefiting from at the time they are paying them.

Paul has no problem with individuals taking out private loans from the private sector. He used a private loan offered from Duke University when he went to Medical school.

People already tried to cry racist towards Paul with his no vote on the Rosa parks medal. The media did help him to clear that up, it was CNN, by sharing the story about how he thought they should pay for it out of their pockets and how he thought she should have one and offered to chip in $100 of his own money. ( Clearly Paul isn't cheap like your dads friend either. It was very generous of him to offer to use his own money for it, when he didn't have too.)

He just has a strong sense of ethics towards being responsible with tax payer money.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7699285 - 11/30/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:






You should totally change your signature to
"Don't talk bout Paul, Im'a gunna fuck yo shit up"

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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: johnm214]
    #7699493 - 11/30/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
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gettinjiggywithit said:






You should totally change your signature to
"Don't talk bout Paul, Im'a gunna fuck yo shit up"




:lol: Talk about Paul all you want. Just get the facts straight. I think bangswang is like most people, me too before learning about Paul, that think every politician is greedy and corrupt and or a sell out.

There is an exception to every rule and, Paul is it.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7699753 - 11/30/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

http://youtube.com/republicandebate

they seem to have it set up so you can't listen if you're tabbed out of it...

good breakdown though.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #7700015 - 11/30/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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So you like your govt borrowing all it's money from China as long as you get paid more eh?

Ron Paul is the only way to go. You could serve your country on your own soil for a change, the way it's meant to be.




Mike Huckabee plans to make america self sufficient, like i said earlier. that means pulling out of china, if you had actually read it.

as for the talk times, that is quite pathetic. like i said, im not even voting for ron paul, but he was my second choice. I think this should have been hosted by the people of the internet who would give (maybe) everyone an alotment like its supposed to happen, or at least dummed down the REAL politicians (guiliani, romney, mccain).


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And if you are going to waste peoples time with your stupid questions, at least try to have grammar skills higher then that of a 7th grader.

READ DAMNIT! [/quote]

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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7700023 - 11/30/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Rudy will win. I can tell. I've been around long enough to be able to decipher the political speech.

Edited by Luddite (11/30/07 05:23 PM)

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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: nobhdy]
    #7700256 - 11/30/07 06:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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nobhdy said:
Quote:

afoaf said:
you must be drunk to support huckabee.




not a very strong argument. care to explain why i shouldnt support him? he wants to pay the military (thats me) much more than any other candidate.






a bigger paycheck isn't necessarily a strong argument for a presidential vote.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: Luddite]
    #7700258 - 11/30/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This thread is a perfect example of how the Shroomery might be in a bit of disconnect from the rest of the country. Almost the whole thing is about Dr. Paul. I saw this on a blog about the debate wherein the guy was just making wisecracks but with an edge of truth. He said this about the good Dr.:
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Honestly, Ron Paul is more likely to pour jello down his pants than make a relevant point in one of these debates.





I laughed a bit.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7700603 - 11/30/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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This thread is a perfect example of how the Shroomery might be in a bit of disconnect from the rest of the country. Almost the whole thing is about Dr. Paul. I saw this on a blog about the debate wherein the guy was just making wisecracks but with an edge of truth. He said this about the good Dr.:
Quote:

Honestly, Ron Paul is more likely to pour jello down his pants than make a relevant point in one of these debates.





I laughed a bit.




Zappa, this post is about the Republican debate in general. Anyone can post opinions about any part of it or anyone in it or how CNN let the Dems run it to their advantage.


Did you catch the debate? What are some of your opinions on how it went? How did you feel watching that spat between Rudy and Mitt on illegals? Don't you think that was staged/provoked by CNN? It made them look like two bickering petty women.

The whole thing was a staged joke on the Republican party. Like Phred said, it isn't just all over the blogosphere, MSNBC did coverage on the Democratic plants as well.

Of course, some of us are most focused on Paul's lack of air time and crappy questions because, he's our candidate. Rudy is yours. How well do you think his campaign was helped or hurt by this last debate?

I'll talk about any of those guys. McCain pissed me off and I'm glad Paul shoved it down his throat.


Otherwise, it was a lame debate. The exchanges between Mitt and Rudy were embaracing.

Rudy, "You have Conchita and Jose working at your house, liar"

Mitt, "Your city was a mecca for illegals, liar"

Both "blah blah nit pick blah blah blah." for 10 minutes

All I kept thinking was, "Next question please"

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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7700610 - 11/30/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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afoaf said:
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nobhdy said:
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afoaf said:
you must be drunk to support huckabee.




not a very strong argument. care to explain why i shouldnt support him? he wants to pay the military (thats me) much more than any other candidate.






a bigger paycheck isn't necessarily a strong argument for a presidential vote.




let me ask you something. What are the top three issues to you and why? when you answer me that, ill let you know mine and tell you why.

i guarantee that all of your reasons are linked to money.


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And if you are going to waste peoples time with your stupid questions, at least try to have grammar skills higher then that of a 7th grader.

READ DAMNIT! [/quote]

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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7701016 - 11/30/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)



Short and freaking funny debate spoof on McCains rant.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: nobhdy]
    #7701638 - 12/01/07 01:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> What are the top three issues to you and why?

Iraq, Spending, and Freedom.

I want somebody that is going to end US involvement with the quagmire in the middle east. It isn't our job to police the world. It isn't our job to protect US oil company investments in other countries. It isn't our job to spread democracy.

I want somebody that is going to end the unlimited spending. It isn't the right of the government to redistribute wealth. I want somebody that is going to shrink the federal government and return the responsibility of taking care of the people to the states.

I want somebody that is going to restore freedom to the American people. No more war on drugs. No more patriot act. No more spying on US citizens to protect us from each other. No more restrictions on the 2nd amendment. No more legislating Christian moral values upon the people.


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