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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: Seuss]
    #7694632 - 11/29/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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As for paul, I think the signifigant showing in the poles is the factor that will hopefully have some effect on the american politic.

If even 10% vote for him in the primaries nationwide, that will send a huge message.

The ron paul phenomena is hopeful in that it shows there are people who respect a limited role of government in their lives and in the lives of other nations.

Hopefully Paul will stir some change in the mainstream candidates.

As for the things I truly believe are important, the politicians are united against them.

Drugs are still criminalized, beuracracy still controls employment, consumer protection, and buisness, and we are still in iraq w/ bloated military spending. All the major candidates are in unison on these issues.

Really, I just want a president who respects the role of the states to make their own laws and the philosophy that the federal government is to stay out of this. There are a few other minor candidates that support some of these, but the hillaries, giuliani's and McCain's of the world still dominate- though I know McCain has had some hopeful proclamations on his support for state's rights.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: johnm214]
    #7694702 - 11/29/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It actually looks like Ron Paul is rubbing off on the other repub candidates. Little pieces of his policy are being sucked in by others.

I was suprised to see how many republcan candidates were against a federal ban on abortion...

and then Huckabee busted out the "I want to do away with the federal income tax". I was alll like AWW!! NIGGA WHUT??!!! THIEF!!!


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7694712 - 11/29/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i owe the irs like 14,000, so i hope huckabee becomes president, lol


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: BIGSWANG]
    #7694745 - 11/29/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The IRS sucks balls. Their interest rates are unheard of. Fucking government... if you owe 2 grand .. they already KNOW you ain't got the money and they keep tacking on an extra 100 bucks a month.. mother fuckers...


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: BIGSWANG]
    #7694746 - 11/29/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> i owe the irs like 14,000, so i hope huckabee becomes president, lol

Huckabee loves to spend tax money... he is going to find the IRS, and your $14,000 to be very beneficial, should he become president.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: Seuss]
    #7694751 - 11/29/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yea we need someone who will spend less and hoard all the tax money.. we need a jew...

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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7694769 - 11/29/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

they all love to spend tax money, at least he does it as a benefit to society for the most part...if huckabee follows through with his plan to bring down the irs, then i wont have to pay all my money back

even your beloved ron paul will need to use up our tax dollars, especially if he wants all the changes in his mind to happen


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7694793 - 11/29/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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It actually looks like Ron Paul is rubbing off on the other repub candidates. Little pieces of his policy are being sucked in by others.

I was suprised to see how many republcan candidates were against a federal ban on abortion...





Yes, it was interesting how many times, "states rights" came up last night.

What sucks is that, Paul means it when he talks about it. The others don't. Worse, these guys giving lip service to states rights, are just diluting the authenticity of Pauls message to return to Constitutional Law.


I also just learned on MSNBC that the gay Brigadere General, who asked the question about gays in the Military is involved with the Hillary campaign. They discussed how they think the Dems were planting questions with the liberal CNN to make the Republicans look really worse then they already do. (except for paul of course:grin:)

The kid who asked Paul his last question was already outed as being a democrat supporter from his my space page.

The Republicans got creamed further when another news station accused them of discussing petty issues, unlike the Democrats who take on the serious ones. They were blasted for not talking about the economy. I don't remember any questions on it being asked.:confused:

The Republican candidates had no say in what they could discuss. They had to answer the crappy questions they were asked and they were told to keep on topic with them.

These debates are such a farse..............

This whole country runs off of a Hollywood movie script it seems.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: BIGSWANG]
    #7694801 - 11/29/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> they all love to spend tax money, at least he does it as a benefit to society for the most part

Noble as that may be, it isn't the job of the president.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: Seuss]
    #7694811 - 11/29/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's all like Louis Black says:

There's the republican party, which is a party of BAD ideas

And there's the democratic party, which is a party of NO ideas.

And the way it works is this.

A republican stands up and says.. Hey I got a really SHITTY IDEA! THen a democrat stands up and yells.. AND I CAM MAKE IT WORSE!


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7694871 - 11/29/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I thought Ron Paul did an amazing job explaining the difference between conspiracy theories and facts.

Some key moments were:

Romney choking on the Bible question (he should have just kept his mouth shut, instead of backtracking on his statements)

McCain challenging Ron Paul on military support (and being countered with the fact that RP has more donations from enlisted officers).

Huckabee looking incompetent, especially when he was told his time was up - he just said "oh, ok." All the other candidates would always go over time, some even just for the sake of going over, rambling about nothing and knowing it. Not Huckabee, his passive reaction was surprising to me.

I couldn't help but to notice that Huckabee had a certain cadence to his speech patterns, which just screamed memorization. It seemed like he was on autopilot for many responses, especially his counter to Fred Thompson's commercial. Speaking of Thompson, what's that guy from Die Hard 2 doing in the debate? Shouldn't he be in the watchtower... but I digress.

I thought a lot of the questions were garbage, but I was impressed with some of the questions that were asked, moreso than the previous debate.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: kotik]
    #7695032 - 11/29/07 02:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

When McCain accused Ron Paul of "the same type of isolationism that started world war II," I was very pleased that the boos from the audience outnumbered the cheers. Ron Paul's reply was also totally on point...that there is a key difference between isolationism and pre-emptive intervention.

I am very happy that people are coming to this conclusion. It isn't 1937, it is 2007.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7695204 - 11/29/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yes but the cycle repeats :P

I don't think people ever really learn from history

else else there would be NO war


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: BrAiN]
    #7696155 - 11/29/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I believe people will learn histories lessons, but only when ever country and every person is on equal ground. a child raised as an extreme muslim wont ever change, nor will he try and change his children (if he lives that long) You cant assume everyone thinks like you. every country we're sending troops or looking warily at think completely different than us....

aside from that, i didnt catch the debates, i can say, however, that even though ron paul may have a large following, its via the internet. you could be the most popular guy in america, but thanks to our ingenious electoral college, unless there aer more paul supporteers where it counts, then he wont get elected, regardless of how many people vote for him. the 50 states arent really seperate any more, but thats how the voting system still works.

say you have a million people supporting you, but if they are spread out evenly over the population, then you wont get anywhere. why do you think they try and win over whole states and not just anyone they can. its all about impressing the right people, and frankly the internet is all talk. you may all support him, but thats not winning over anyone who doesnt watch youtube on a daily basis....which are the people who matter.

half the young generation dont even vote...

i though about voting for ron, but then i found huckabee. funny name or not, this guy has what it takes, im sure. He wants to become completely self sufficient, which means no more foriegn power (oil), food, and more emphasis on american resources. He wants to develop new energies and all kinds of stuff you hippies like, and hes doing it the right way. like me, he sees imminent war with china....i think.

im rambling. kinda drunk...gonna go.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: nobhdy]
    #7696299 - 11/29/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

you must be drunk to support huckabee.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: nobhdy]
    #7696314 - 11/29/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the part with the gay general last night REALLY made me mad. specifically the response by one of the candidates...I can't remember who but he made some bullshit excuse that most of our troops come from conservative backgrounds and they shouldnt have to be exposed to things that go against their morals or whatever

wow

what a load of shit.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: x2and2makes5]
    #7696337 - 11/29/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

did anyone else feel that every single video was agenda ladened by democrats? i kind of felt that way. wtf was with the confederate flag question?! i just about mail bombed CNN i myself on that one. it was obvious through most of the videos that CNN "chose" that the questions were just designed to play off of conservative stereotypes to make the candidates dance around like monkeys (that conservative flag one being a good example).


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: nobhdy]
    #7696696 - 11/29/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You responded to me... but aren't I on your ignore list? or is that some other dude that replaces vowels in his name with consonants?


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: x2and2makes5]
    #7697641 - 11/30/07 05:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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the part with the gay general last night REALLY made me mad. specifically the response by one of the candidates...I can't remember who but he made some bullshit excuse that most of our troops come from conservative backgrounds and they shouldnt have to be exposed to things that go against their morals or whatever

wow

what a load of shit.





i proudly serve and i can tell you regardless of my background (conservative/liberal) i dont give a damn about a gay guy. "exposed to things against their morals" what a riot. because being exposed to death and carnage are totally within this guys morals, right?

it doesnt matter, gay people get in and they serve just like regular people. *imagine that*

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you must be drunk to support huckabee.




not a very strong argument. care to explain why i shouldnt support him? he wants to pay the military (thats me) much more than any other candidate.

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Our current armed forces aren't large enough - we have been relying far too heavily on our National Guard and our Reserves, we have worn them out. When our enemies know that we are spread thin, they're more apt to test us by provoking a crisis. Having a sizeable standing army actually makes it less likely that we'll have to use it. So I will increase the defense budget. We have to be ready to fight both conventional and unconventional wars against both state and non-state enemies. Right now we spend about 3.9% of our GDP on defense, while we spent about 6% in 1986 under President Reagan. I would return to that 6% level. I believe we can do this without raising taxes. I will limit increases in other discretionary spending and rely on the normal increase in federal tax revenue that is generated annually




sounds like my kinda president.


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Re: last night's republican debate [Re: nobhdy]
    #7697705 - 11/30/07 06:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So you like your govt borrowing all it's money from China as long as you get paid more eh?

Ron Paul is the only way to go. You could serve your country on your own soil for a change, the way it's meant to be.


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