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10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today)
#7692686 - 11/28/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Naomi Wolf, author of perhaps the most important book to be released in my lifetime, "The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot", lectures in this video about the book, about America's current state, and about the dangers of the fascist state lurking around the corner if we don't do something now. The video is long (about 45 minutes) but absolutely worth listening to (you don't need to watch, it's just her walking around).
Here are a few reviews on the book (which I've read and highly recommend -- and for $9 you can afford to buy a few copies as Christmas gifts for fellow patriots), The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot
“You will be shocked and disturbed by this book. Most Americans reject outright any comparison of post 9/11 America with the fascism and totalitarianism of Nazi Germany or Pinochet’s Chile. Sadly, the parallels and similarities, what Wolf calls the ‘echoes’ between those societies and America today, are all too compelling.” —Michael Ratner, Center for Constitutional Rights
"Naomi Wolf sounds the alarm for all American patriots. We must come together as a nation and recommit ourselves to the fundamental American idea that no president, whether Democrat or Republican, will ever be given unchecked power." —Wes Boyd, co-founder, MoveOn.org
“The framers of our Constitution fully understood that it can happen here. Patriots like Madison, Paine, and Franklin would certainly applaud Naomi Wolf and recognize her as a sister in their struggle.” —Mark Crispin Miller, author of Fooled Again
"One of the most important books that's been written, certainly in the last decade or two, and perhaps in my lifetime." -- Thom Hartmann, best-selling author and host of The Thom Hartmann Radio Program
“Naomi Wolf ’s End of America is a vivid, urgent, mandatory wake-up call that addresses momentous issues of tyranny, democracy, and survival.” —Blanche Wiesen Cook, author of the three-volume Eleanor Roosevelt
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: kake]
#7693219 - 11/28/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I remember seeing an article that preceded the release of her book with the 10 points.
it was a decent read.
the amazon book reviews led me to question her, but that's ad hominem; this video is interesting.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: kake]
#7693956 - 11/29/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Naomi Wolf is an idiot and her book is nonsensical gibberish.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: Phred]
#7693966 - 11/29/07 08:19 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: Luddite]
#7694104 - 11/29/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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phred said: Naomi Wolf is an idiot and her book is nonsensical gibberish.
Have you even read the book? How do you come to that conclusion? It sounds like you have a very intelligent argument for why you disagree with her.....
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: SoY]
#7694217 - 11/29/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phred said, Quote:
I am an idiot and my words are nonsensical gibberish.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: kake]
#7694327 - 11/29/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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kake said: Phred said, Quote:
I am an idiot and my words are nonsensical gibberish.
You must speak good gibberish and want the ban.
If the points are the same 10 I read not long ago, I thought it was stupid. Many if not the majority could be found in any industrialized nation and for logical reason. The others were grabbing at straws.
Wake me up when we're goose-stepping.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: kake]
#7694377 - 11/29/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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d33p said:
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kake said: Phred said, Quote:
I am an idiot and my words are nonsensical gibberish.
You must speak good gibberish and want the ban.
If the points are the same 10 I read not long ago, I thought it was stupid. Many if not the majority could be found in any industrialized nation and for logical reason. The others were grabbing at straws.
Wake me up when we're goose-stepping.
It's rather sad that a moderator can do nothing more than attack the messenger and provide no substantial argument whatsoever. Reminds me a bit of a highschooler.
There is no substance to your argument... if you want to actually listen to the speech, and then comment on it the facts, I'd be happy to listen.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: kake]
#7695402 - 11/29/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here are the asshole's 10 steps to fascism http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html
Every nation that has ever been anywhere is clearly on the path to fascism. I can't really say that she's an idiot because she makes a good living off of this shit but the people that buy her stuff are. Not my problem, she is a marginal figure at best.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: d33p]
#7695668 - 11/29/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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can you please point to 'any industrialized nation' that has achieved the 10 points and NOT turned into a fascist state?
I imagine that your comment is much like Phred's...baseless.
If Phred actually read 'her book', I'd be shocked....at the very least he's demonstrated the personal attacks that made up most of the negative reviews of this book on amazon.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: afoaf]
#7695726 - 11/29/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I posted a link to the ten points. They are so nebulous as to be universally applicably if you should so choose.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: afoaf]
#7695734 - 11/29/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I haven't read that book of hers, no, but I've read a fair amount of her other stuff, and from that I was able to determine she's an idiot.
Amost all of the stuff discussed in her latest effort has previously been published in her other rantings. Her ten points are so broadly worded as to be useless. As others have pointed out, most if not all of those ten points can be applied to countless countries which aren't fascist.
She's just another hardcore Leftie with Bush Derangement Syndrome. Her stuff is so poorly written she couldn't even get a real publisher to bring it to press -- the company that printed this latest witless screed is one step up from a vanity press.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: kake]
#7695740 - 11/29/07 05:17 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Flaming is against the forum rules. Next time you do it you will be banned.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: kake]
#7695803 - 11/29/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think that if we did a poll, we'd probably find an inverse correlation between the tendency to put any stock in this kind of crap and the tendency to be ready to do anything about it if it did happen.
if you're an american and a non-felon over the age of 18, buy yourself a gun and learn how to shoot it. it's good for you.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: wilshire]
#7696051 - 11/29/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, keep your heads in the sand fools. This country was not made for people like you.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: Phred]
#7696067 - 11/29/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phred said: I haven't read that book of hers, no, but I've read a fair amount of her other stuff, and from that I was able to determine she's an idiot.
Amost all of the stuff discussed in her latest effort have previously been published in her other rantings. Her ten points are so broadly worded as to be useless. As others have pointed out, most if not all of those ten points can be applied to countless countries which aren't fascist.
She's just another hardcore Leftie with Bush Derangement Syndrome. Her stuff is so poorly written she couldn't even get a real publisher to bring it to press -- the company that printed this latest witless screed is one step up from a vanity press.
Phred
If she were a shroomerite, would that mean you'd have to ban yourself?
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: kake]
#7696139 - 11/29/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok, can everyone cut down on the personalisms? Thanks. It annoys me like hell when people accuse the opposition of being blind or having their heads in the sand.
Anyway, I watched the clip and thought she brought up some compelling points, though in some cases she seemed to be reaching a bit. I disagree with the people who say that the 10 points are so vague as to apply to any country. Technically, I guess they could if you really stretched it. But whether or not America is headed towards outright fascism, I think the post-9/11 atmosphere of fear has been conducive to increased authoritarianism. If anything, she's doing a great service by showing us things to watch out for and guard against. I think a lot of that atmosphere of fear has subsided, but not to the point that politicians aren't still able to use it to implement more authoritarian measures. I see the large grassroots movement supporting Ron Paul as a good sign, as it shows that many Americans are fed up with having their privacy and civil liberties stripped from them. I think the warning signs are there, but people are waking up pretty fast, and I have faith that the current trend will subside. If we start seeing the paramilitary force she talks about, that's the point where I'd start getting really worried.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: Silversoul]
#7696170 - 11/29/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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fascism
Main Entry: fas·cism Listen to the pronunciation of fascism Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\ Function: noun Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces Date: 1921
1. often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
just so we are all on the same page as to what we are talking about.
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Re: 10 Steps To Fascism (& the parallels between Nazi Germany and America Today) [Re: Phred]
#7696808 - 11/29/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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phred can you give an example of a country that has adopted all 10 points and is a democracy? it seems like the combination of all 10 points would technically be just a step below what syle has listed as the definition of fascism
i thought the video was interesting
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Nazi Germany wasn't a Fascist state... FAIL
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