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Im kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read
    #7691380 - 11/28/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So i read up on the spiritual trip reports on Erowid. Shamanism, rituals, and religious stuff with psychedelic is really interesting to me.

What im try to say is this. I keep reading trip reports on Erowid where people in North America actually do shit like....sit in a circle and play music to relax while they peak on shrooms, mesc, etc.

Im in southern california. I have 2 friends who i consider close...however they still wouldnt do this stuff because they dont really believe in spirits or higher powers. Which is fine cause they are still down to talk and philosiphize about life.

The majority of the people i hang out with are "Stoner...STONERS" if that makes sense. The soul reason they smoke pot, do shrooms, etc is to trip out and have a good time. I have no problem with the way they choose to do drugs it just sucks to see lack of spirituality in so many people these days. Its more of a "I dont give a fuck" attitude as they pack another phatty.

Could just be because im in southern california but i wanted to ask how are you and your tripping buddies? There are two types of tripping groups in my opinion.

1) Someone in the group starts to have a bad trip and at least 1 person in the group is willing to help them if they are "Sane Enough"

2) Someone starts to have a bad trip and the others are getting pissed because now "Their" trip is getting ruined because the guy caint handle his shit.



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Re: Im kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7691445 - 11/28/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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2) Someone starts to have a bad trip and the others are getting pissed because now "Their" trip is getting ruined because the guy caint handle his shit.




^ This one, ALL the time. I can't handle my shit even when I smoke weed and people just get pissed off at me. I wish I could find people that take acid/shrooms more seriously; I mean I don't want to meet up with a shaman or some reclusive super-spiritual freak, but just someone that's open and ... shit I dunno what the word is. People that are "in-between" the stoners and the spirituals.

Oh yeah and I live in the Chicagoland area so I doubt it has to do with yr location...


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Re: Im kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7691452 - 11/28/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with what you said

but the last part about the tripping groups is pretty ignorant

It DOES piss me off when people drag me down when they are having a bad trip, all they can say is negative thoughts and it really just brings the whole thing down.

BUT that doesn't mean that I'm not going to try and help them have a good trip.

Oh and not handling their shit, and having an INTENSE trip are too totally seperate things.

There could be one person screaming, crying in agony at the bizarre world he has created....which is totally acceptable. But When one person takes one blotter and all they can talk about is how shity LSD is and how they are never going to take it again, and how its a terrible drug and just being negative the whole time.


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Re: Im kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7691464 - 11/28/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yah i can see where ur coming from, some people just like to "get fucked up" and others like to adventure through ur mind with the drug and have a experience.. me and my buddy like to just have a good time and stay in control and never become unresponsible


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Re: Im kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7691477 - 11/28/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i mean ideally for me it's number one. me and my friends are there for eachother, so if someone is in need we help. and thats why we don't trip with newbs. we keep it simple and keep it close- we all are at the same experience level pretty much so the chances of this even happening are slim.

i don't like it when people think they know how other people should trip. not saying you're implying this. but just because someone isn't into shamanism and all that crap doesn't mean they can't have a worthwhile time. and also in my opinion anyone who's white and middle class claiming to be a self taught shaman can go fuck themselves.

some people can spew a bunch of spirtual stuff, but it doesn't mean anything if they're full of shit. i only trip with my closest friends, and we're all honest with each other and genuine. it doesnt get any better than that, no one gets pissed at each other if someone starts wigging out. all for one and one for all.


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Re: Im kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: today mylove]
    #7691688 - 11/28/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Why not just trip solo and avoid the whole drama if you're into spirituality instead of taking it in groups where most ppl just wanna get ripped...?


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Cyrone]
    #7691727 - 11/28/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Cyrone said:
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2) Someone starts to have a bad trip and the others are getting pissed because now "Their" trip is getting ruined because the guy caint handle his shit.




^ This one, ALL the time. I can't handle my shit even when I smoke weed and people just get pissed off at me. I wish I could find people that take acid/shrooms more seriously; I mean I don't want to meet up with a shaman or some reclusive super-spiritual freak, but just someone that's open and ... shit I dunno what the word is. People that are "in-between" the stoners and the spirituals. I haven't found anyone like this but obviously, based on the stuff I've read in books and at these report forums, they're out there somewhere :hissyfit:

Oh yeah and I live in the Chicagoland area so I doubt it has to do with yr location...




ahah I feel the same way bro.  thats why I usually opt for solo trips or just trip with my sister when she wants to
what part of chicago you in?
I'm northside


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: mikeytro]
    #7692051 - 11/28/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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ahah I feel the same way bro.  thats why I usually opt for solo trips or just trip with my sister when she wants to
what part of chicago you in?
I'm northside




ChicagoLAND area.. I live in Skokie (suburbs). But man northside, I'm envious.
Ya know what, Navy Pier is a favorite place to go for us when we do acid.. we could meet up there one of these days :cool:


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Cyrone]
    #7692072 - 11/28/07 06:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

its all good, I'm originally from wheeling

hmm never been to the pier and tripped, sounds like it could be good
I've been craving to trip in nature for a long ass time but never get the chance, that and winter is coming which will result in me tripping in my nasty little apartment. makes me go a little crazy if I'm in it for the whole trip.


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Re: Im kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: today mylove]
    #7692187 - 11/28/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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todaymylove said:
i mean ideally for me it's number one. me and my friends are there for eachother, so if someone is in need we help. and thats why we don't trip with newbs. we keep it simple and keep it close- we all are at the same experience level pretty much so the chances of this even happening are slim.

i don't like it when people think they know how other people should trip. not saying you're implying this. but just because someone isn't into shamanism and all that crap doesn't mean they can't have a worthwhile time. and also in my opinion anyone who's white and middle class claiming to be a self taught shaman can go fuck themselves.

some people can spew a bunch of spirtual stuff, but it doesn't mean anything if they're full of shit. i only trip with my closest friends, and we're all honest with each other and genuine. it doesnt get any better than that, no one gets pissed at each other if someone starts wigging out. all for one and one for all.




The word shaman is pliable.
I wouldnt tell anyone to go fuck themselves if they consider themselves to be a shaman/healer/spiritual teacher especially within a psychedelic context"as long as they are not full of shit"---->in your own words.
Shaman is a word used VERY loosely even in the middle of the fucking jungle. Sometimes its even for profit.

You are apparently bias about the whole thing. Middle class? White?
really man?
You are full of shit. Thats my opinion. Im not going to rant about spirituality in the context what shamanism really is.
Anyways shamans show you how they trip. You can consider that to be "telling" someone how they should trip if you want.
I dont equate shamanism to the end all be all of spirituality(considering the use of psychedelics or not).

Ever wonder where psychedelic shamans of today learn how to be a "shaman"?
Generation to generation with slight alterations along the way apparently.

I dont give a shit who you think you are, but your assumptions about the core of true shamanism are obviously completely ignorant.

When it comes to the psychedelic medicines that some shamans use, it all starts within you when it comes to self taught/learned spirituality. The first shaman of any village or people started the same damn way.

So be careful what you call "crap".

It does not matter where you live, the class system in the western world, or the color of your skin. I know you dont really believe that it does matter, you were just talking shit, calling things "crap" etc.

In reality shamanism starts within any given person.
There are all types of practices. Shamans murdering shamans of neighboring villages etc. There is not just one kind of shaman.

Ill be damned if some poor fisherman in thailand, or some shit talking person who seems to be just a kid (perhapse someone like yourself) can tell me who can or can not be a shaman.

"Shaman" is just a word. They are healers and occasionally are masters of navigating the psychedelic mindset.

Sorry, I just had to mention how silly your all to western misunderstanding goes.

You didnt say much and it didnt make me angry. So I hope you understand that this is just an honest reply to your all too western point of view about how big this world really is, shamanism, and spirituality in general. As if we live in some global cast system.

Only some people can call themselves a shaman, although your next door neighbor may be a physicist who takes alot of lsd and could perhapse show you his own brand of new age shamanism.
Why dont you tell that spiritual person and potential genius to "go fuck themselves" if you want..............lol
They aint no shaman! They westernized! Aint no healer here!

Not many people who have very strong and even unbelievable spiritual beliefs will push that shit on you. Doesnt matter where that info came from. Something within, or tradition.
Thats where that shit comes from.


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: mikeytro]
    #7694410 - 11/29/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

*slowly backs away from Yage*

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its all good, I'm originally from wheeling

hmm never been to the pier and tripped, sounds like it could be good
I've been craving to trip in nature for a long ass time but never get the chance, that and winter is coming which will result in me tripping in my nasty little apartment. makes me go a little crazy if I'm in it for the whole trip.




Wait, are you calling Navy Pier nature...? :what: The greenhouse area on the 2nd floor would be hella tight for SURE even in wintertime, with water fountains sprouting and shit. That was always my idea of what to do but last time it was closed :frown: so we watched Beowulf in 3D IMAX instead :laugh:


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Cyrone]
    #7712749 - 12/03/07 08:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Respect Yage

Some people take the discussion of psychedelics very seriously.

It is a very serious matter that must be dealt with delicacy.

You don't just take a couple of blotters, or drink a glass of tea....and then in 4 hours, just come out of this haze and say "None of that was real, I don't take this stuff seriously"

This is SERIOUS shit we are dealing with here. I'm not even talking about the stupid piss-ant dosage of say a half 1/8 of mushies, or maybe a blotter (depending on the potency ofcourse). Ofcourse that sort of shit is trivial and is really only gonna take you to the surface, but not allow you to even scratch it (save dosage/weight/personal variations).

I guess what i'm trying to say is that if you have never had an epic dosage of psychedelic drugs, and someone who HAS, deeply believes in what they experienced, and for you to say that it dont mean SHIT.

err...I don't know what im getting at, its just powerfull, ill say that.


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Helpme1]
    #7713109 - 12/03/07 09:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

we have a medicine man on these very boards :smirk:


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Re: Im kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7713237 - 12/03/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Might be just the people you are around. I've found plenty of people that enjoy speaking about the spiritual aspect of certain drugs. Expand your circle of friends, I'm sure there's spiritual people somewhere in cali. :smirk:


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Re: Im kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7713295 - 12/03/07 10:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I go with #1. I'm pretty used to tripping on shrooms and LSD so I can usually talk somebody down. I don't let other people bring down my trip just because they can't handle their shit. I'll try to talk them down and if it doesn't work than I usually just say fuck it and walk away. He or she will be fine in a few hours. That's what I tell people when they're having a bad experience. Something to the affect "You've ingested a chemical that's making you feel this way. It's not going to kill you and in a few hours it will ware off and you'll be fine." That combined with many bong loads is usually enough to calm people down.
As far as the "spiritual" debate goes I try to stay out of that. A psychedelic experience is what you make of it. If you want to have a spiritual experience than go into it with that mindset. That being said I don't think you can force a spiritual experience no matter how much you dose. If you just want to get loaded than you'll get what you expected. I'm not a spiritual person but I do enjoy the changes in perception that come with a trip. It's always been my impression in all the trips I've had that everything I've experienced is always there you just need that little change in perception to notice it.


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Re: Im kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: allreadyused]
    #7713330 - 12/03/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Its nice to have some sense of spirituality, even if you dont believe in a higher power. Its at least fun/interesting to pursue a "mystical" experience.


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Re: Im kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: newlife]
    #7713511 - 12/03/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Its nice to have some sense of spirituality, even if you dont believe in a higher power. Its at least fun/interesting to pursue a "mystical" experience.




That's the way I see it. I've become very jaded about spirituality. In the west most of it is just new age crap that has no basis in anything. A sense of spirituality is great and after many, many years I've learned that most people are completely full of it when it comes to these questions. Everyone has opinions, everyone can sit and philosophize for hours on end but nobody has any real clue about what is. The experience has become a lot more personal and valuable once I understood that unless there is a direct introduction everything else is just placebo induced by others.

Trip on your own terms.


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Cyrone]
    #7713705 - 12/04/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Wait, are you calling Navy Pier nature...?




no, ment as a seperate thing I've been wanting to do


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Helpme1]
    #7716084 - 12/04/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

^ ah ok. (BTW Chemical Brothers rock:thumbup:)

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Respect Yage

Some people take the discussion of psychedelics very seriously.




When did I insult him..? I'm sorry that you wrote such a large post over something that didn't quite happen..


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Cyrone]
    #7716236 - 12/04/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

1) Learn to be that person
2) Never talk to those who get pissed, again.


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: nolongerinuse]
    #7717042 - 12/04/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yageman

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It really makes me sad when i see such wondrous things like mushrooms not only abused, but just a way to get fucked up.

From personal experience, i would say that in many cases the thoughts/ revelations you can go through are more real than everyday life. Pure moments of cosmic beauty and glimpses at the infinite are nothing to be taken lightly.

The enormous learning potential goes to waste in all to many peoples experience.



In my humble opinion, shamen are above all, healers. People who either do, or strive to understand the cosmic connection of everything. Perhaps how the balance and harmony of opposing forces forms The One-ness of the universe. ?


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: nolongerinuse]
    #7717183 - 12/04/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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1) Learn to be that person
2) Never talk to those who get pissed, again.




When did I talk to him... exactly..? Just curious.


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: Cyrone]
    #7717222 - 12/04/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not specifically responding to you tyrone

I'm just saying that i respect him :/


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    #7717354 - 12/04/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

As far as white middle class people calling themselves shamans. Who is to say they aren't? Because they are rich and have a privelaged life they cannot comprehend spirituality. Do not forget the Siddartha Gautama the Buddha was born into the upper class of Indian Society. In fact he was a prince. And he founded one of the largest religions on earth today.


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Re: I'm kinda Deppressed on the "Trip Reports" I read [Re: halo]
    #7717409 - 12/04/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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As far as white middle class people calling themselves shamans. Who is to say they aren't? Because they are rich and have a privelaged life they cannot comprehend spirituality. Do not forget the Siddartha Gautama the Buddha was born into the upper class of Indian Society. In fact he was a prince. And he founded one of the largest religions on earth today.




its the very fact that we all have the ability to become the Buddha's and Christ's of our time.

If a person doesn't understand then there isn't any use for them in your trip. We do come into this world and leave this world alone so why not trip alone. There is however a contradiction because another person's presence can absolutely make a trip an amazing experience.

The power can heal you if you are ready otherwise you will come down wishing you opened up more when you were UP there. That happened time and time again for me until my limbs were finally dismembered. have fun jumping up and down for a while!


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