|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
Doc_T
Random Dude




Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 42,395
Loc: Colorado
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: Citizen13]
#11619634 - 12/09/09 07:33 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
No, you could bake it until it turns to charcoal and then analyze for aluminum.
-------------------- You make it all possible. Doesn't it feel good?
|
ScavengerType


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 5,784
Loc: The North
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: Doc_T]
#11619786 - 12/09/09 08:02 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
not if you are testing for heavy metals... but I would advise against doing this test for strictly legal safety reasons.
-------------------- "Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?" "The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything." - Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now. Conquer's Club
|
anonjon
Partially Right

Registered: 11/03/08
Posts: 6,322
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: Citizen13]
#11621748 - 12/10/09 06:28 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Citizen13 said: would exposing a small chunk of cubensis mushroom to enough heat/air/etc to destroy all psilocybin cause a the sample test to be faulty/inconclusive?
Whats the concept here? Destroy the actives so you can legally handle it in the lab?
-------------------- The above post is fictional, hypothetical, or downright nonsensical.
|
Citizen13
Jack's wasted life.


Registered: 11/01/09
Posts: 1,319
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: anonjon]
#11621750 - 12/10/09 06:29 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
anonjon said:
Quote:
Citizen13 said: would exposing a small chunk of cubensis mushroom to enough heat/air/etc to destroy all psilocybin cause a the sample test to be faulty/inconclusive?
Whats the concept here? Destroy the actives so you can legally handle it in the lab?
yessur. stupid? probably.
--------------------
|
anonjon
Partially Right

Registered: 11/03/08
Posts: 6,322
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: Citizen13]
#11621759 - 12/10/09 06:35 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Citizen13 said:
Quote:
anonjon said:
Quote:
Citizen13 said: would exposing a small chunk of cubensis mushroom to enough heat/air/etc to destroy all psilocybin cause a the sample test to be faulty/inconclusive?
Whats the concept here? Destroy the actives so you can legally handle it in the lab?
yessur. stupid? probably.
Not really, if you can do the lab work yourself without having to tell anyone what the tissue is.
-------------------- The above post is fictional, hypothetical, or downright nonsensical.
|
Fraggin
Multi-Faceted



Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 8,707
Last seen: 8 years, 3 days
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: anonjon]
#11622015 - 12/10/09 08:26 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
If the lab uses Gas Chromeograph mass spectomotry for analisys, I don't think you could hide anything....
Otherwise one could experiment with using Aluminum Reagent AluVer 3 in a water solution to check for the presence of aluminum. But, Getting a decent color in a solution may be a challenge. You may also need to do tests for the mycelium, metabolites and the fruiting bodies seperatley. Taking primordia may be a better idea to avoid working with a dark purple to black liquid.
If the experiments proved negative results on the detection of aluminum, then the first question would be, where and how could the aluminum be detected and is it still aluminum when it is taken up by the mycelium.
Therefore, a GCMS test would be the most efficient method of testing.
|
ScavengerType


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 5,784
Loc: The North
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: Fraggin]
#11623960 - 12/10/09 03:02 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
I think RR had a metals test done on his. I suspect it is a cheaper test and I know it would not show chemical compounds like psilocin/cybin/ect.
-------------------- "Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?" "The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything." - Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now. Conquer's Club
|
RogerRabbit
Bans for Pleasure



Registered: 03/26/03
Posts: 42,214
Loc: Seattle
Last seen: 11 months, 3 days
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: ScavengerType]
#11624547 - 12/10/09 04:27 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Correct, it was a heavy metals test. However, don't send anything illegal to a lab, especially with the paper trail you have to send along with the sample. RR
-------------------- Download Let's Grow Mushrooms semper in excretia sumus solim profundum variat "I've never had a failed experiment. I've only discovered 10,000 methods which do not work." Thomas Edison
|
Citizen13
Jack's wasted life.


Registered: 11/01/09
Posts: 1,319
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11624725 - 12/10/09 04:50 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
RogerRabbit said: Correct, it was a heavy metals test. However, don't send anything illegal to a lab, especially with the paper trail you have to send along with the sample. RR
i was just asking out of curiousity, my balls, although big, are nowhere near large enough to do something like that.
--------------------
|
ScavengerType


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 5,784
Loc: The North
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: Citizen13]
#11625205 - 12/10/09 05:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Yea I was just correcting the above posters on the correct tests that were/would need to be administered. I probibly should have re-iterated that, though "less risky" than people were saying, it still is quite a foolish thing to do.
-------------------- "Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?" "The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything." - Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now. Conquer's Club
|
stalk_of_fennel
Stranger


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 122
Last seen: 9 years, 7 months
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11625750 - 12/10/09 07:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
SRHooM said: Yea when I saw my Myc eating my Aluminum trays it find of freaked me out a little. I mean it's dissolving a very durable metal.
very durable is a bit of an understatement. aluminum oxide is what sapphires and rubies are made of. Its the second hardest natural mineral known to science.
Quote:
RogerRabbit said: I wish we had a way to test to see what it is in verm that the mycelium is consuming. I know from experience that the verm is being 'eaten' by the mycelium because of how much brf cakes shrink over time. After six or seven flushes, they're about 1/3 original size, which means they've lost way more than the brown rice flour. In addition, bulk substrates with verm perform far better than without, even though other bulk substrate materials often hold as much water as verm.
We know mycelium can absorb the minerals in gypsum, so it only makes sense they're absorbing and using the minerals in vermiculite too. Another clue is that brf cakes made with sawdust instead of verm under perform cakes made with vermiculite, even when used for wood loving species such as oyster and shiitake. Since sawdust and verm both hold the same amount of water, it isn't the reservoir action of the verm. RR
That makes sense since fungi where the first organism on land. fungi made the humas for plants from rocks.
|
Epilson Lyrae
Armed with hammers



Registered: 04/07/09
Posts: 5,561
Loc: Woody Creek
|
|
Very trippy this thread has become.
-------------------- "Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." H.T. I've come to believe that the heart is the filter of the enlightened mind. Epilson Lyrae
|
Fraggin
Multi-Faceted



Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 8,707
Last seen: 8 years, 3 days
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
#11628895 - 12/11/09 09:12 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Heavy metal tests for testing home water supply can be purchased easily. Most of them do test for aluminum as well, but they are designed to be used with mostly clear liquids.
I'm not sure what method could be used to liquify a whole batch of mushrooms, casings and all then somehow clean the solution up enough to use a heavy metals test.
The other question that comes to mind is the cut off levels that the tests use. We know that when aluminum trays are used, some of the aluminum is gone after a few flushes. So, the question is, where can it be found?
|
13eetleJuice
the ghost with the most




Registered: 10/28/04
Posts: 2,253
Loc: 6' under pushin up shroom...
Last seen: 5 years, 2 months
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: Fraggin]
#11628980 - 12/11/09 09:46 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Fraggin said: We know that when aluminum trays are used, some of the aluminum is gone after a few flushes. So, the question is, where can it be found?
Eat a flush, then send yourself off for testing!
--------------------
|
Fraggin
Multi-Faceted



Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 8,707
Last seen: 8 years, 3 days
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: 13eetleJuice]
#11629109 - 12/11/09 10:16 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
The reason I posed the question is because I have read that some mushroom's mycelim can absorb heavy metals then release them into the air through the gills and fruiting bodies....
I just didn't want to say it without having the source handy to cite the data.
|
Sillicybin
Registered: 02/14/05
Posts: 2,134
Loc:
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: Fraggin]
#11629896 - 12/11/09 12:49 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Fraggin said: The reason I posed the question is because I have read that some mushroom's mycelim can absorb heavy metals then release them into the air through the gills and fruiting bodies....
What was the source?
|
stalk_of_fennel
Stranger


Registered: 12/05/09
Posts: 122
Last seen: 9 years, 7 months
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: Fraggin]
#11630100 - 12/11/09 01:21 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Fraggin said: The reason I posed the question is because I have read that some mushroom's mycelim can absorb heavy metals then release them into the air through the gills and fruiting bodies....
I just didn't want to say it without having the source handy to cite the data.
not quit it but i remembered reading this on wikipedia about Boletus edulis
Quote:
Heavy metal contamination Boletus edulis is known to be able to tolerate and even thrive on soil that is contaminated with toxic heavy metals, such as soil that might be found near metal smelters. The mushroom's resistance to heavy metal toxicity is conferred by a biochemical called a phytochelatin—an oligopeptide whose production is induced after exposure to metal.[69] Phytochelatins are chelating agents, capable of forming multiple bonds with the metal; in this state, the metal cannot normally react with other elements or ions and is stored in a detoxified form in the mushroom tissue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boletus_edulis#Heavy_metal_contamination
|
Fraggin
Multi-Faceted



Registered: 01/05/05
Posts: 8,707
Last seen: 8 years, 3 days
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: Sillicybin]
#11630301 - 12/11/09 01:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Sillicybin said:
Quote:
Fraggin said: The reason I posed the question is because I have read that some mushroom's mycelim can absorb heavy metals then release them into the air through the gills and fruiting bodies....
What was the source?
I don't recall... That's why I didn't mention it to begin with.
IT may have been supporting material for Ground Zero's projects in New Orleans.
|
ScavengerType


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 5,784
Loc: The North
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
|
|
holy shit.
-------------------- "Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?" "The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything." - Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now. Conquer's Club
|
Jabbawaya

Registered: 07/10/05
Posts: 1,479
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
|
Re: Aluminum Contamination of Mushrooms? [Re: Fraggin]
#11630657 - 12/11/09 02:38 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Fraggin said: The reason I posed the question is because I have read that some mushroom's mycelim can absorb heavy metals then release them into the air through the gills and fruiting bodies....
I'm not familiar with this in fungi, but I know that certain species of plants can release various heavy metals in the form of volatile oxygen compounds such as coordinated sulfoxides. Many of these plants must be genetically engineered to do this -- it's a big area of research in phytoremediation and chromium decontamination.
My 2 cents: don't use aluminum for your tubs. Better safe than sorry.
--------------------
|
|