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KCizzle
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Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss
#7689363 - 11/28/07 07:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whats everyone using and what makes one better than the other or are they both just the same? I get the feeling you dont have to worry about PH balancing with coir. Is this true? Also anyone know of some good solid ways to balance PH?
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Slimz
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: KCizzle]
#7689427 - 11/28/07 07:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gypsum
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: Slimz]
#7689428 - 11/28/07 07:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Any nitrogen booster that is organic works
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like coffee
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: Slimz]
#7689430 - 11/28/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have found much better ones then that... But coffee does work
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: KCizzle]
#7689431 - 11/28/07 07:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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KCizzle said: I get the feeling you dont have to worry about PH balancing with coir. Is this true?
is that just your gut telling you that?
i prefer peat moss to coir. Coir has nutritional value and mycelium actually colonizes the casing layer. The casing layer should not be colonized.
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KCizzle
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: Slimz]
#7689461 - 11/28/07 08:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slimz said: Gypsum
Ok great. Got some of that on the way. I thought for sure I would have to use some other kinda of ph up/down crap like back in my tree cultivation days. Not Fun! I'm trying to do this one right because I burned the shit outta my casing last time HA. Myc never really made it thru the top. I pulled it out of the container and fruities starting jumping out the bare sides like mad just like if I had made a cake. Completely avoided the top tho. I believe I put too much hydrated lime last time.
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KCizzle
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: derx]
#7689466 - 11/28/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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derx said:
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KCizzle said: I get the feeling you dont have to worry about PH balancing with coir. Is this true?
is that just your gut telling you that?
i prefer peat moss to coir. Coir has nutritional value and mycelium actually colonizes the casing layer. The casing layer should not be colonized.
HA Yeah exactly! That was just my gut telling me that. Its the stuff door mats are made of so I figured it was just a non nutrional covering that was for protecting myc and holding verm in place. thx for the tip
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: KCizzle]
#7689534 - 11/28/07 08:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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KCizzle said: Whats everyone using and what makes one better than the other or are they both just the same? I get the feeling you dont have to worry about PH balancing with coir. Is this true? Also anyone know of some good solid ways to balance PH?
You don't specify one important thing:
For WHAT?
If you're trying to decide on a casing mix, peat moss is the way to go as it is almost nutrient-free to most micro-organisms. You can use coir, but chances are good that the mycelium will completely colonize the coir, which nullifies it's use as a casing layer. It's also more susceptible to contamination.
If you're trying to do a bulk sub, coir is the way to go... peat is not nutritious enough.
Either way on a casing mix, you want to adjust the pH. Coir and peat are both acidic.
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KCizzle
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: Sillicybin]
#7689664 - 11/28/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Aaah very nice. I do need to be more specific. I'm not doing bulk. Maybe someday down the line. I have a bunch of little perfect sized Microway tupperware trays. organic Rye grain layer will be about 1.25" deep. Vermic on the bottom. 1/4" casing layer on top.
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: derx]
#7690054 - 11/28/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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derx said:
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KCizzle said: I get the feeling you dont have to worry about PH balancing with coir. Is this true?
is that just your gut telling you that?
i prefer peat moss to coir. Coir has nutritional value and mycelium actually colonizes the casing layer. The casing layer should not be colonized.
you have to use a non nutrient casing layer on top of the coir
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: KCizzle]
#7690057 - 11/28/07 11:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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In that case (pun intended,) don't bother with the vermiculite on the bottom. Instead, mix the verm in a 50/50 mix with the peat moss and put it on top.
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KCizzle
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: Sillicybin]
#7690194 - 11/28/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sillicybin said: In that case (pun intended,) don't bother with the vermiculite on the bottom. Instead, mix the verm in a 50/50 mix with the peat moss and put it on top.
My bad Silli I was unclear again. Str8 Verm on the bottom and 50/50 on top is how i roll currently. I do the verm on the bottom b/c I've read that in several teks. Holding moisture/protection perhaps? Is it not needed at all?
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: KCizzle]
#7690794 - 11/28/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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KCizzle said:
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Slimz said: Gypsum
Ok great. Got some of that on the way. I thought for sure I would have to use some other kinda of ph up/down crap like back in my tree cultivation days. Not Fun! I'm trying to do this one right because I burned the shit outta my casing last time HA. Myc never really made it thru the top. I pulled it out of the container and fruities starting jumping out the bare sides like mad just like if I had made a cake. Completely avoided the top tho. I believe I put too much hydrated lime last time.
Gypsum or calcium carbonate will act as pH BUFFERS (keeping the pH at the desired levels) but will take forever to actually bring it up/down to that level. That is why we use hydrated lime to increase the pH fast (but non long lasting) and add gypsum to keep it there. Depending on what is in your pH up is you might be able to use that.
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KCizzle
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: Nibin]
#7694337 - 11/29/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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What does everyone use to do their Casing PH testing? I know they have soil PH meters that you can stick into the ground but those always looked really cheap to me.
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: KCizzle]
#7697633 - 11/30/07 04:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I prefer the Peat/Verm 50/50 mix. I like the consistancy, and it helps alot with keeping moisture levels where they should be. The thing about gypsum is that most casings don't stay around long enough to really utilize it, thus any real PH change that is needed can best be fixed immediately by Hydrated Lime.
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Re: Coco Coir VS. Peat Moss [Re: KCizzle]
#7698564 - 11/30/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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KCizzle said:Is it not needed at all?
Correct. Very few experienced growers use a bottom moisture layer. It's just an invitation for contams - it almost always hurts more than helps.
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