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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: dr_gonz]
#7687418 - 11/27/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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democrats want the illegality of weed to be a states right not a federal government issue, like it should have stayed to begin with.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: SlashOZ]
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SlashOZ said: democrats want the illegality of weed to be a states right not a federal government issue, like it should have stayed to begin with.
They do? That doesn't sound like any Dems I know. Got a link?
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7688013 - 11/27/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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SlashOZ said: democrats want the illegality of weed to be a states right not a federal government issue, like it should have stayed to begin with.
They do? That doesn't sound like any Dems I know. Got a link?
I wonder if Ann Coulter secretly smokes the Ganj. She was a deadhead.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: BrAiN]
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BrAiN said: I wonder if Ann Coulter secretly smokes the Ganj. She was a deadhead.
All I know is that she spews a lot of jenkem from her mouth.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: dr_gonz]
#7688046 - 11/27/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know that Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul support medical marijuana, and Mitt Romney adamantly opposes it. I don't know about anyone else.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: dr_gonz]
#7688246 - 11/27/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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3 democrats would legalize marijuana period. plus for medical one republican would. or try to anyway
they're names are dennis kunicish, mike gravel and chris dodd. Look up You tube video's on them to see stance
repblican is obvious. peace. btw poll #'s 4% 1% 1% paul 5%
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: dr_gonz]
#7688249 - 11/27/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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HEY
boom shakalaka
no, im not voting for him, and no i dont even use drugs that often (not at all, now that im in the navy), but i think this war on drugs is way too expensive and we could be making alot of money from legalizing alot of controlled substances that really arent harmful in the least.
all this drug legalization was due to the fact that in the 60s, they (i mean the government) blamed the upsurge in rebellion to drug use, specifically marijuanna and lsd. so they made i illegal and now the mentality is that to look good for the family oriented voter, i have to say no to drugs. all politicians care about is the vote...
and im not even a democrat
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: justin340]
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: justin340]
#7688385 - 11/27/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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obama and hillary would allow medical only. guilana and romney said that better pain relivers are avialable and are against it.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: justin340]
#7688616 - 11/27/07 10:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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im not for or against it purely on a medical basis, i think it should be legalized and regulated just like alcohol.
though illegal, pot is the number one cash crop in the US.
thats alot of money.
besides, ive never seen any of my buddies come to more harm than falling on his face while on pot. seriously, alcohol is more dangerous.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: nobhdy]
#7688780 - 11/27/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Zappa do the freaking research. The reason I wont give you sources is that it was on a cable broadcast in a cnn debate. I'm sure it is somewhere on the internet for you to look at.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: SlashOZ]
#7689194 - 11/28/07 04:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeahm hes pissed because hes sober 
dude, just give him the links. its easier than watching him stumble around not knowing what to do...
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: SlashOZ]
#7689674 - 11/28/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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SlashOZ said: democrats want the illegality of weed to be a states right not a federal government issue,
Wow! Great News! Do you have any links? Or is this info just coming out your ass....
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: nobhdy]
#7689679 - 11/28/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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nobhdy said: Yeahm hes pissed because hes sober 
dude, just give him the links. its easier than watching him stumble around not knowing what to do...
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: Silversoul]
#7689724 - 11/28/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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> and Mitt Romney adamantly opposes it
The more important question for Romney... does he plan to outlaw caffeine as well?
Joe Biden - flip flops
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We have not devoted nearly enough science or time to deal with the pain management and chronic pain management that exists. There's got to be a better answer than marijuana. There's got to be a better answer than that. There's got to be a better way for a humane society to figure out how to deal with that problem.
Hillary Clinton - flip flops
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With respect to medical marijuana, you know I think that we have had a lot of rhetoric and the federal government has been very intent upon trying to prevent states from being able to offer that as an option for people who are in pain. I think we should be doing medical research on this. We ought to find what are the elements that claim to be existing in marijuana that might help people who are suffering from cancer and nausea-related treatments. We ought to find that out. I don't think we should decriminalize it, but we ought to do research into what, if any, medical benefits it has.
Chris Dodd - pro
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Well, Bill, I've taken the position, certainly with medical use of marijuana, that it ought to be allowed. And many states, I think 12 or 13 states allow that today. In fact, we just had a huge debate in the committee in which I serve dealing with the issue. And I've strongly advocated that these states not be biased or prejudiced because they allow the use of marijuana for medical purposes.
John Edwards - flip flops
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What I've said, for those of you who don't know what he's talking about, these raids that are being used -- you obviously follow this very closely -- these raids that are being done against patients, I will not do as President of the United States and would put a stop to. What I've also said is, I really think that we need to put the FDA [Food and Drug Administration] in charge of this instead of having -- right now it's just a political football. I think if we give the FDA the responsibility and have them determine how to treat this -- if somebody like you who needs medical marijuana to ease your pain and there's not other medications that can accomplish it, then the FDA can say that. But what we have right now is a situation where it's a huge political football, it's used for political rhetoric, and the result is a lot of people are being punished as a result. And so that's what I would do, I would put it under the responsibility of the FDA and I would stop these raids. That's what I would do.
Mike Gravel - pro
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Marijuana should be made legal. Addiction is a public health issue, not a criminal issue. As such, it should be treated by health care professionals, not law enforcement.
Dennis Kucinich - pro
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Well, four years go when there were raids in California, I as a member of the Congress objected to that. And, of course, it's a matter between doctors and patients, and if doctors want to prescribe medical marijuana to relieve pain, compassion requires that the government support that. And so as president of the United States, I would make sure that our Justice Department was mindful that we should be taking a compassionate approach.
I want to go one step further, because this whole issue of drugs in our society is misplaced. Drugs have infected the society, but I think we need to look at it more as a medical and a health issue than as a criminal justice issue.
Barack Obama - flip flops
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My attitude is, if the science and the doctors suggest that the best palliative care and the best way to relieve pain and suffering is through medical marijuana then that's something I'm open to, because there's no difference between that and morphine when it comes to just giving people relief from pain. But I want to do it under strict guidelines. I want to make sure that it is prescribed in the same way that other painkillers or palliative drugs would be prescribed. I'm concerned about folks just kind of growing their own and saying it's for medicinal purposes, because that's kind of a slippery slope.
Bill Richardson - pro
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I support a sensible, compassionate plan that makes medical marijuana available to patients suffering from life-threatening diseases. Such a plan must have proper safeguards and restrictions against abuse. I oppose any plan to decriminalize any drug that is currently illegal for recreational use.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: Seuss]
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: Seuss]
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Rudy Giuliani - con
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I checked with the FDA [Food and Drug Administration]. The FDA says marijuana has no additive medical benefit of any kind, that the illegal trafficking of marijuana is so great that it makes much more sense to keep it illegal. I will keep it illegal.
Mike Huckabee - con
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You've asked me the question about medical marijuana...my concern is, as much as I want to see something happen that would ease your pain, I'm not sure and I've not been convinced with medical evidence by independent research...that clearly says that it is more effective than other forms of pain medication, whether it's narcotic or analgesic. And so what I want to do is, if somebody can present to me scientifically and objectively, then I would certainly give a different consideration... I think the question is, would I favor the legalization at a federal level, and until there's some scientific evidence, I'm reluctant to do that.
Duncan Hunter - flip flops
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An amendment to prohibit any funds made available in the Act to the Department of Justice from being used to prevent the States of Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Vermont, or Washington from implementing State laws authorizing the use of medical marijuana in those States.
John McCain - con
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Every medical expert I know of, including the AMA [American Medical Association], says that there are much more effective and much better treatments for pain than medical marijuana...I still would not support medical marijuana because I don't think that the preponderance of medical opinion in America agrees with [the] assertion that it's the most effective way of treating pain.
Ron Paul - pro
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After deferring to the DEA [Drug Enforcement Administration], your release reads that, 'FDA is the sole federal agency that approves drug products as safe and effective for intended indications.' Why then has the FDA failed to respond to the 1999 Institute of Medicine (IOM) report which concluded that marijuana's active components are potentially effective in treating pain, nausea, the anorexia of AIDS wasting, and other symptoms, and should be tested rigorously in clinical trials?
It perplexes us that even though the FDA is responsible for protecting public health, the agency has failed to respond adequately to the IOM's findings seven years after the study's publication date. Additionally, this release failed to make note of the FDA's Investigational New Drug (IND) Compassionate Access Program, which allowed patients with certain medical conditions to apply with the FDA to receive federal marijuana. Currently, seven people still enlisted in this program continue to receive marijuana through the federal government.
The existence of this program is an example of how the FDA could allow for the legal use of a drug, such as medical marijuana, without going through the 'well-controlled' series of steps that other drugs have to go through if there is a compassionate need.
Mitt Romney - con
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I believe marijuana should be illegal in our country. It is the pathway to drug usage by our society, which is a great scourge -- which is one of the great causes of crime in our cities. And I believe that we are at a state where, of course, we are very concerned about people who are suffering pain, and there are various means of providing pain management. And those that have had loved ones that have gone through an end of life with cancer know the nature of real pain. I watched my wife's mom and dad, both in our home, both going through cancer treatment, suffering a great deal of pain. But they didn't have marijuana, and they didn't need marijuana because there were other sources of pain management that worked entirely effectively. I'm told there is even a synthetic marijuana as well that is available. But having legalized marijuana, in my view, is an effort by a very committed few to try and get marijuana out into the public and ultimately legalize marijuana. It's a long way to go. We need less drugs in this society, not more drugs, and I would oppose the legalization of marijuana in the country or legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes because pain management is available from other sources.
Tom Tancredo - flip flops
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I can't get over it, because even the arguments that are made, that are constantly made, with regard to marijuana, are irrelevant, totally irrelevant in this debate. It's not about marijuana, it's about states' rights. The federal government has no right to interfere when a state makes that kind of decision. The federal government should stay the hell out of it.
Fred Thompson - flip flops
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You know, there are federal laws involved and there's federalism issues also involved. It depends on a lot of different circumstances, and I just can't give you a definitive answer to that right now.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: nobhdy]
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nobhdy said: HEY
boom shakalaka
no, im not voting for him, and no i dont even use drugs that often
damn, only ron paul
I was really hoping there was a candidate named Boom Shakalaka out there.
I could see some big rasta guy running under that name...

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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: johnm214]
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I love how people talk about other, more effective painkillers. You mean like morphine? Yeah, that's just fine. But don't give them marijuana. That's a gateway drug. It could lead to harder drugs, like morphine.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: Silversoul]
#7690625 - 11/28/07 01:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: I love how people talk about other, more effective painkillers. You mean like morphine? Yeah, that's just fine. But don't give them marijuana. That's a gateway drug. It could lead to harder drugs, like morphine.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: Silversoul]
#7690724 - 11/28/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: I love how people talk about other, more effective painkillers. You mean like morphine? Yeah, that's just fine. But don't give them marijuana. That's a gateway drug. It could lead to harder drugs, like morphine.
that's funny the way you say it, but there's clearly a problem with people's basic understanding of morality.
That its somehow moral to have society penalize use of a substance, yet allow that use if you've paid a doctor who prescribes it. I don't think there is such a distinction.
Like the guy who supposedly forged prescriptions for oxycodone in florida, who really had a legitimate need for the drug. Now he's doing a mandatory minimum 20year sentence and has the prison supply him wiht the very drug he is accused of diverting.
Crazy... People have the right to ingest whatever they want, being sick doesn't legitimize this principle, nor does finding a doctor who will endorse it subject to your payment.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: johnm214]
#7691059 - 11/28/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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> People have the right to ingest whatever they want
Exactly. Who am I to tell you what you can or cannot put into your body? And for those (Romney) that think drug use is a scurge on society, I say handle it on a case by case basis when there is a problem rather than stereotyping.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: Seuss]
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and alcoholism ISNT a scourge?
by no means stop the booze, im just saying if drugs are a problem then so is alcohol, and i bet my left eye that he wouldnt even dream of prohibition.
i say the only reason that they are a scourge is because they are illegal. the only problems come from people bringing them illegally into the us, or manufacturing/selling them. people will do drugs no matter what, so it makes sense to legalize them and regulate them so at least they might be such a problem.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7691248 - 11/28/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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SlashOZ said: democrats want the illegality of weed to be a states right not a federal government issue, like it should have stayed to begin with.
They do? That doesn't sound like any Dems I know. Got a link?
Well, that nice Mr. Seuss did your homework for you and pulled up the stances of 8 Dem candidates. Though they are mostly flopping like endangered porpoises at low tide only one mentions states rights at all and she insists on more research. Once again, you lie.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7692229 - 11/28/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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> Well, that nice Mr. Seuss did your homework for you and pulled up the stances
Actually, I copied most of it from some site and forgot to reference it.
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Re: Presidential candidates stances on medical marijuana? [Re: Seuss]
#7692277 - 11/28/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Which was a lot more than the "reference challenged" could come up with. Which is pretty amazing given how easy it is these days to back your shit up. Oh wait, I forgot, it's impossible to back your shit up if it's totally nonsense. My bad.
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