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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: Compass]
#7692715 - 11/28/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I imagine the threshold for the definition of a "bad trip" is probably higher for men. I see a lot of guys do enough drugs to get so fucked up that they're puking and obviously not that comfortable but wind up saying they had a wicked fun time anyway, and women don't seem to be quite as tolerant of this type of discomfort. That is to say, neither gender is actually having worse trips, just that women might be more likely to call their trip bad after the fact. In this case we come back to the age-old observation that men are encouraged from an early age to be stoic, while women are encouraged to be expressive.
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: Compass]
#7692753 - 11/28/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow, that's funny... acid is more likely than mushrooms to give men but not women bad trips.
Shrooms tend to amplify my anxieties (and correspondingly, natural euphorias) far more than LSD, which leaves my emotional state more or less as-is most of the time.
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7692757 - 11/28/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's an ok theory, but since each individual defines "good" and "bad", you are effectively admitting to females having more "bad" trips.
A true "bad trip" is almost unmistakable.
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: Compass]
#7692776 - 11/28/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like the facts.
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
#7692830 - 11/28/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Though the statistics do show more bad trips from females, it is not by a substantial margin. Except for salvia. That's pretty weird, I have a female friend who smoked some salvia and it was literally like E for her... and I haven't smoked it in months because the last time I did I felt like my skull was falling apart.
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salvia was like mdma for her? how long did it last?
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Half an hour, then she crashed and went to sleep. I wish salvia was like that for me. I suspect she didn't get a very big dose and just got a bit high rather than experiencing a full-blown trip, but who knows, salvia's a pretty unpredictable drug.
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What I find interesting is how few female salvia trip reports there are.
All the other substances have female reports at greater than 1/10 the male reports.
But for salvia, it's less than 1/15.
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: Compass]
#7692874 - 11/28/07 09:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It has to do with the female Ego and their inability to give up control of their environment. Men have just evolved and deal with it rather than fighting the evil opposite. Simple explanation. HAHA
I'm kidding people. Chill
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
#7692881 - 11/28/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok, I missed this thread for WAY too long but I need to put in my two cents. First, since you like facts mikebart; the definition of sexism: sex·ism (sěk'sĭz'əm) n.
1. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women. 2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender I'm sorry, but you ABSOLUTELY made a generalization about women based on stereotypes of the women you know or have seen, either with psychedelics or not. Believe it or not, I don't want to bash you. I think your idea has merit, based on the wrong principles. If you took a group of 500 men and 500 women, perhaps your opinion would seem correct, that less women than men enjoy tripping. However, the fact that you base it so loosely on womens' egos is where your argument falls short. I am a feminist. I am emotional. I am strong and logical. None of the adjectives I used about myself were in opposition to each other. What makes women unique is the ability to take all aspects of their personality and utilize them at the opportune moment. Had you taken facts or statistics, my tune would be the opposite, and I would support you. But you used your opinion of women and their egos, and men and what you know of being male, and tried to apply it to the masses. BUT - before you say I DID intend to bash you here - If your theory could be substantiated, I would think it would be related to womens' oppression (since the evolution of cognition) and more so the association of losing ones ego with a vulnerability which plagues women today. Generally men are physically stronger than women, and therefore have less doubt, insecurities, and fears of things which they cannot foresee the outcome. By the way, nice to see another fem, NiamhNyx
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Sex [Re: Pandora]
#7692924 - 11/28/07 10:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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hmmm interesting
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: Rose]
#7693333 - 11/29/07 12:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: Wow... this is a dumb thread.
Chicks dig hallucinogens.
It may not seem like it if you spend too much time on these boards, but they do.
Many women don't hang out at The Shroomery because of the OTD, ADD, alpha-male, chest-thumping nature of this community.
In conclusion: It is a scientific fact that most hippie chicks dig shrooms more than they dig The Shroomery.
Next thread... PLEASE.
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: elbisivni]
#7693568 - 11/29/07 02:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Finally a female that adds some input to the matter. Thanks Pandora (seriously).
Interesting point about knowing one's strength and how it leads to different ego in the opposite sexes.
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: elbisivni]
#7693572 - 11/29/07 02:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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even though it may not be super scientific, now that we got some statistics i'm wondering how people responses to what you said are going to change.
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
#7693606 - 11/29/07 03:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Huh. I love getting my ego crushed by a strong psychedelic experience. I am biologically female. I love tripping on shrooms or acid, probably shrooms more though. I've tripped with both men and women on a frequent basis and the freakout ratio is pretty much dead-even. I've seen men lose it, and I've seen women lose it. But both sexes seem to appreciate their experience and "losing it" afterwards and don't consider them "bad trips." I usually trip with cool people who enjoy psychedelics, female and male. I wouldn't go by what you read on the Shroomery to make your call about whether or not men or women "freak out" more easily on psychedelics, or which sex enjoys them more. I agree with Cervantes that most women DO NOT frequent the internet as much as men do, particularly on a male dominated site like this.
I could go for a trip right now, actually.
Hope you find some trippy girls. They're everywhere, in my experience, sorry you haven't met any you could trip with.
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: MOTH]
#7693672 - 11/29/07 05:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think a lot of people have already hit the nail on the head with this one: females are generally more risk averse than men. Before anyone jumps on the "you're making stereotypical generalizations" bandwagon, it should be noted that NOTHING can be said of societal trends without generalizing, and pointing out this exception or that is pretty futile, particularly when the trend appears to be statistically demonstrable.
Evolutionary pressures have obvious significance here: in the early stages of human evolution women were required to play it safe during the gestation period and the early term of the offspring's life (ie, during breast feeding) or risk loosing their babies. Hence, those women born with an inherent bent for risk taking would consequently increase their embryos/babies chances of fatality, and thereby decrease the likelihood that their risk taking genetic makeup would be successful in the gene pool.
However, the idea that a sex's affinity for taking risks affects their proclivity toward psychs doesn't account for the bad trip ratios that have been posted. It does seem that females are more prone to bad trips than men by a small degree, but why? I don't think the ego argument really works that well, simply because I think females have less defined egos than males. Being insecure, for instance, seems to me like a lack of ego definition, not the inverse.
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
#7694375 - 11/29/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Men are more likely to seek out the psychedelic experience, but often not for particularly intelligent reasons. If women have bad trips at a higher rate than men, it's because of social conditioning and is nothing to do with female nature.
Anyone more knowledgable than me feel free to correct me, but as far as I'm aware, in the majority of shamanic cultures, female shamans were just as common as male ones. In many ways, I think certain aspects of the psychedelic experience would be easier to handle for women, since ego death and softening of oneself play hell with male concepts of machismo.
MOTH made a very good point in that women use the internet in general, and forums in particular far less than men do. Therefore, places like the Shroomery, if taken as one's only source, hugely distort the ratio of male to female trippers. In general, insecure people are more likely to have a bad trip, and if more women than men are insecure it's a result of social conditioning, not female nature.
And there you have it. A long-winded post that doesn't actually make any points.
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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Sex [Re: Pandora]
#7694510 - 11/29/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pandora said: Ok, I missed this thread for WAY too long but I need to put in my two cents. First, since you like facts mikebart; the definition of sexism: sex·ism (sěk'sĭz'əm) n.
1. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women. 2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender I'm sorry, but you ABSOLUTELY made a generalization about women based on stereotypes of the women you know or have seen, either with psychedelics or not. Believe it or not, I don't want to bash you. I think your idea has merit, based on the wrong principles. If you took a group of 500 men and 500 women, perhaps your opinion would seem correct, that less women than men enjoy tripping. However, the fact that you base it so loosely on womens' egos is where your argument falls short. I am a feminist. I am emotional. I am strong and logical. None of the adjectives I used about myself were in opposition to each other. What makes women unique is the ability to take all aspects of their personality and utilize them at the opportune moment. Had you taken facts or statistics, my tune would be the opposite, and I would support you. But you used your opinion of women and their egos, and men and what you know of being male, and tried to apply it to the masses. BUT - before you say I DID intend to bash you here - If your theory could be substantiated, I would think it would be related to womens' oppression (since the evolution of cognition) and more so the association of losing ones ego with a vulnerability which plagues women today. Generally men are physically stronger than women, and therefore have less doubt, insecurities, and fears of things which they cannot foresee the outcome. By the way, nice to see another fem, NiamhNyx
Great post.
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