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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101] * 1
    #7687759 - 11/27/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Be careful about calling myself a feminist? I have a feeling I know a lot more about feminism, and have a much more detailed critique of aspects of it than you do. To paraphrase the wise words of Vice magazine, being a feminist just means you don't like getting raped all the time.

Why should women not be proud of the women's movement? It's the only reason I am getting a degree instead being a housewife with 5 kids hanging off my sagging breasts at the ripe young age of 23.

The only reason the females of this site would need to band together to take you down (although, realistically I think I've already done it all by myself) is that you are saying some pretty ignorant and baseless things about us as a general class. Men have no reason to fear feminism, unless they are interested in maintaining ideologies that damage women to keep themselves in a position of superiority.

Also, what gives you the notion that few women like psychedelic drugs? Because there are more men posting on this forum? Because the women you know personally are not into them? These are not good enough parameters to assess the demographics of drug use. Most of the women I know have tried psychedelics at least once, and most of them enjoy them at least on occasion. I also find it funny that you think women have more fragile egos than men, as the stereotype has always gone the other way.


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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7687844 - 11/27/07 07:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I did not mean few I meant fewer. And being a part of any self-classification is dangerous.

Jeesh.


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Re: Why Females Don Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: slackophage]
    #7687906 - 11/27/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

its not a deal of sexism, its just women arent as risk taking as men. not saying all women are boring just not every girl is ready to go on an all out drug taking spree.

and that is true.


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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
    #7687929 - 11/27/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

My girl's drug of choice is acid. Shes done just about everything there is with me, besides crack and meth. Of everything I've put in front of her, acid is defiantly her fav.


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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
    #7688025 - 11/27/07 08:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think that there are general psychological differences between men and women, does that make me sexist?

In my experience, women don't generally dislike hallucinogens.

But from experience I do think they are more deeply effected by them,
in the same way that women are more deeply effected by a a dramatic movie.

I think it has less to do with ego than it has to do with emotion...

Women are known to be more powerful psychically than men, if anything they are able to enjoy them more than us.

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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: Middleman]
    #7688055 - 11/27/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think it makes you sexist to think there may be psychological differences between men and women. What you have to consider, however, is that those differences aren't necessarily 'natural.' Some or all of them have been socialized. We are trained into our genders, we don't inherently know how to be men or women. This seems to be proven by Margaret Meads study of 3 cultures:

This is from Wikipedia

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1. Mead tells of Sex and Temperament in Three Primitive Societies. "She explained that nobody knew the degree to which temperament is biologically determined by sex. So she hoped to see whether there were cultural or social factors that affected temperament. Were men inevitably aggressive? Were women inevitably "homebodies"? It turned out that the three cultures she lived with in New Guinea were almost a perfect laboratory — for each had the variables that we associate with masculine and feminine in an arrangement different from ours. She said this surprised her, and wasn't what she was trying to find. It was just there.

* "Among the Arapesh, both men and women were peaceful in temperament and neither men nor women made war.
* "Among the Mundugumor, the opposite was true: both men and women were warlike in temperament.
* "And the Tchambuli were different from both. The men 'primped' and spent their time decorating themselves while the women worked and were the practical ones — the opposite of how it seemed in early 20th century America."





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Re: Why Females Don Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: slackophage]
    #7688067 - 11/27/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

man, i was hoping for something meaningful to show to my girlfriend to explain why we experience shrooms differentaly, not some sexist "girls are raised different" shit...


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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7688084 - 11/27/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I saw a documentary recently where some boys where raised as girls and vice versa,
It was surprising how many of the psychological differences were strictly conditioned...

The physical differences aren't so black and white either, there are many shades of gray.
I have a dimple above my penis where my vagina would have been so I consider myself 10% female. :blush:


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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: Middleman]
    #7688179 - 11/27/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Middleman said:
I have a dimple above my penis where my vagina would have been so I consider myself 10% female. :blush:




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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
    #7688264 - 11/27/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Women are less likely to be involved in risky behavior, so naturally less women will be using psychedelics than men. It has nothing to do with women being unable to 'handle' psychedelics. Statistically, women also have more anxiety than men, so this may discourage its use in certain environments too. This anxiety has little to do with a weak ego though, it has a much more practical etiology. Women are physically vulnerable and more likely to be the victim of a crime.

My girlfriend loves psychedelics even more than I do, but she doesn't use them the same (risky) way I do.


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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
    #7688370 - 11/27/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Its only a matter of time before all the other females on this site band together and take me down.




A man has to have a dream. :sun:

Mike's next thread: 'Why Females Do Not Enjoy Sex.'


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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
    #7688746 - 11/27/07 11:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

wtf

this post is far more telling about you than "females"


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Re: Why Females Don Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
    #7689150 - 11/28/07 03:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Just look at the differences between females who like drugs and those that do not. LOOK! There is a difference. Just look. Its very subtle but its there.




And the difference between women who like drugs and those who don't, is it in some way different that the difference between men who like drugs and those who don't? :wtf:
I am sorry, I read all your posts in this thread and you have nothing to sustain your affirmations. All you presented here are assumptions based on the characteristics you found o some women and the generalized.
From my own observations, but also from different social and psychological statistics, both men and women suffer from anxieties, both specific to their sex (it would be at least awkward for a woman to worry about her penis size or for a man to worry about his breast size :lol:).
Also both men and women suffer from other anxieties which are not necessarily related to their sex, such as social class, income and the like.
Now tell me, considering all that, how did you determine that generally, females have bigger "egos"... whatever that means.

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I am referring to knowing who you are and pretending. I feel more females pretend by conforming to social norms etc. and thus have no idea who they really are.




Again, both from personal observations, but also from different social studies that I came across, both men and women have trouble in finding out who they are, and conforming to social norms seems to be more linked to the cultural influence rather than sex.

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Why do more females opt for plastic surgery? A lot more?




More women opt for plastic surgery because of the cultural influence, because they see other women doing it so they find courage (the power of example is huge) and they do it too.
My question for you is: how many men, do you think, would opt for plastic surgery if the examples amongst them were more promoted?
Though I assure you that the market is full of wonder pills that promise larger penises (guess for who :smirk:), mighty and longer lasting erections and the like. Now my suspicion is that, if there wasn't any demand, those pills would simply stop being commercialized. True of false? :strokebeard:

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I knew this post would get me in a load of shit so instead of it being a complete failure and arguing about sexism, would you agree that there is a difference between the way the male and female Ego evolve in regards to society?




You got into a load of shit? :what:
Could it be your hurt ego talking here? :smirk:
I suggest that you read the forum rules once again and then maybe you'll find out why your ideas are being so attacked: because they lack of any substantiation. Because you come with erroneous data and you're unable to sustain your points.
Then you see that what you said might not be working and you say: would you agree that there is a difference between the way the male and female Ego evolve in regards to society? As we all know, this is a redundant question, because the answer is more then obvious: yes there is a difference. However, this doesn't prove that women don't enjoy hallucinogens as much as men. :sorry:

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I.E. knowing you are good at math when math itself may very well be an illusion. You know you are better at than illusion than others.




Please come back to planet earth and make logical statements.

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Why are women no longer proud of being stay at home mothers? I consider that a very difficult career choice, but instead this is frowned upon today.




Ummm, because staying at home and being mothers was socially imposed? Because they had little to no choice in doing otherwise?
How is it any different that other political or religious revolts?
Why don't we all live a religious life like back in the days? Why don't we burn our scientists anymore?

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I am just saying that more males are aware of this than more females.




And still you don;t bring ANY kind of evidence to sustain that?
Repeating this endlessly doesn't make it more valid. :rolleyes:

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Too often I hear of wives beating their husbands and females jumping to the conclusion, "he probably deserved it."





Can you say that again?
How many women beat their husbands compared to husbands beating their wives?
Your "points" are getting more and more ridiculous.

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The women's movement is still a relatively fresh part of history and I feel that many females are still caught up in it.

Its only a matter of time before all the other females on this site band together and take me down. :grin:




And of course, this HAS to be because their egos are crying.
Take a look at this thread again and you'll see that there are also plenty of men which disagree with what you say. Could it be because you really don't make any sense? :shocked:


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Re: Why Females Don Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7689161 - 11/28/07 03:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i get what you're saying OP.

i checked around the web.

found a bunch of data saying more men do drugs (including hallucinagens) than women. thats a good starting point.

if you really care i would reccommend trying to find more data. i'm sure if you looked hard enough, and you were correct you would find something like even though more men do hallucinagens, there is an equal number that report overdose at hospital or something like that.

or try and find old dose response studies, i think they kept track of negative and positives at each dose level.

you initial idea seems kind of intuitively appealing to me, i'm sorry so many people are trying to bring the hammer down you on you.

i hope you find some evidence that shows that you at least MIGHT be right statistically speaking. (won't matter, they won't listen anyways)


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Re: Why Females Don Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7689501 - 11/28/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Women are more emotional than men. FACT. "We understand people, blah blah, blah." Hear it all the time. So you can't deny it now. Women associate with emotion better than men.

So then does emotional impulse cloud one's decision making? That instead of acting upon fact, you act upon impulse? PMS anyone? You are prone to meeting each others emotional needs rather than realistic ones.

Admittedly men's decision making is clouded by his inability to associate as well with emotion. He is realistic rather than idealistic, even though an idealistic world is better (i.e. Red Cross)

So these two differences lead to different reactions to the same situation. The question is what kind of decisions are incorrectly made through emotional reasoning and which are incorrectly made through factual reasoning?

What activities are affected by these traits? When is it better to be idealistic and when is it better to be realistic?


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Re: Why Females Don Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
    #7689626 - 11/28/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Women are more emotional than men. FACT. "We understand people, blah blah, blah." Hear it all the time. So you can't deny it now. Women associate with emotion better than men.




You can't be serious and think that this can represent any form of substantiation of your statements. :smirk:
It is ridiculous, immature and not worth taken into any further discussion.
Next time do your homework or just refrain yourself with making such ridiculous replies. :thumbdown:
Also, I posed a lot of contra arguments in my other reply to you, to which you showed no interest in clarifying. Do that first because these are issues that directly concern the subject.

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So then does emotional impulse cloud one's decision making? That instead of acting upon fact, you act upon impulse? PMS anyone? You are prone to meeting each others emotional needs rather than realistic ones.




What is that?
Now you're trying to say that it's because of the PMS that women don't enjoy psychedelics?
Please tell me what you know about PMS, how it influences women's thinking and acting, what are the "emotional needs" and what are the "real needs"?

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Admittedly men's decision making is clouded by his inability to associate as well with emotion. He is realistic rather than idealistic, even though an idealistic world is better (i.e. Red Cross)




Ok so let's get this straight:
Men are superior and more rational and live a more efficient life than women and that's also why they love to trip more.
Women are driven by emotion and can't make rational choices, they live in an idealistic world and that's why they don't like psychedelics.
BUT, all in all, an idealistic world is better.
Tell me the logical relation between those statements, which all re the fruits of your "reasoning".

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So these two differences lead to different reactions to the same situation. The question is what kind of decisions are incorrectly made through emotional reasoning and which are incorrectly made through factual reasoning?




you have yet to prove that women in general are more emotionally unstable than men.
And I want facts, not an emotional response like the one you just gave right now. :smirk:


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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
    #7689712 - 11/28/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Females have large, dangerously large, fragile Egos.

Your beliefs are showing, and I would say yours sound threatened here. Especially the "dangerously large" statement. Men have the most fragile egos IMO and are most fear driven of the two.

I know lots of women who like to trip. Maybe women don't like to hang out with you.


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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: Icelander]
    #7689716 - 11/28/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Maybe women don't like to hang out with you.




:lol:


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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: mikebart101]
    #7689744 - 11/28/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't read the rest of this thread yet...

But saying that "females have large, dangerously large, fragile Egos" is a little generalist, don't you think? You could just as easily say the same thing about men...that they have large Egos and as a result don't like hallucinogens.

Neither approach is right, however. There are some females that do not have out of control Egos, and as a result enjoy hallucinogens (my gf is one of them). Just as some males have huge Egos and as a result hate taking hallucinogens.

Just because the ratio may be different (guys who like tripping > girls who like tripping) doesn't mean it is only a male or female thing.


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Re: Why Females Do Not Enjoy Hallucinogens [Re: trendal]
    #7689928 - 11/28/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think someone just has his own issues with the female gender. Obviously he doesn't look at us as human beings. Just fragile, emotionally-driven egomaniacs.

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