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Why do black folks only tip 10%?
    #7686742 - 11/27/07 04:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well?

I have worked as a waiter for 2 years and this is my experience. 

Is it just a cultural thing?  Do African Americans generally just tip 10%?  Do they tip other black folks 10%?

Or is it because I'm white!? :bitch:


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7686746 - 11/27/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I waited tables for 3 years and noticed this to be true.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Rustifer]
    #7686794 - 11/27/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Being another former restaurant worker for years, I have noticed this as well. $5 is also a very common tip regardless of the check. And my former black co-workers usually recieved the same treatment. Of course, this is not a racist thing, but a purely objective observation that african-americans tend to be poor tippers far more frequently than caucasians. Other poor tippers are usually Asians, Russians, and Indians/Bengalis. The best tippers happen to be american caucasians and western europeans(especially spaniards). Again, an objective observation and not always the case. Oh yeah, this is in the eastern u.s., could be different elsewhere.
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: lavod]
    #7686824 - 11/27/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There is a black server at my work, but she is new and I don't know her very well. I'd ask her if she notices the same thing, but I don't want to offend.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7686843 - 11/27/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just to get into it a bit more I notice black women hardly ever tip, but not true of black men.

also the restaurant I used to work at would add the tip onto check of spanish people because they would usually skip on the tips. I only worked there a few weeks so I'm not sure if this was done w/ other people.

P.S. I wasn't a waiter I was bus


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7686848 - 11/27/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

black people are not taught how to tip. that's all it is.

and ive come to know this STRAIGHT FROM THE MOUTH of black friends/peers/coworkers/etc. so don't think i'm just pulling this out of my ass.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: memes]
    #7686878 - 11/27/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i work at a car wash and i notice this aswell... but its better than nothing... with caucasians sometimes they dont tip at all...


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7686936 - 11/27/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe they don't have the math skills to figure out what 15% is in their head, so they just round it down to a nice even number?

edit: to the dumbfuck who called me a racist, this was a joke, thanks for playing!


Edited by adrug (11/28/07 08:28 PM)


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: adrug]
    #7686944 - 11/27/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't believe in tipping :mad2:

Maybe I dollar if she is hawtt.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: adrug]
    #7686948 - 11/27/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

93
15% is weak sauce as well. In a good restaurant, if the service is good, 20% is expected.
Remember- most servers only make 2.83/hr and are required to tip out host, bussers, etc, not to mention put up with the shit of their co-workers and customers.
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7686954 - 11/27/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Black people aren't generous in my experience unless it's with their family and friends.  If they don't know you then you ain't shit to them.  Just my 2 cents.  :shrug:


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: AliceDee]
    #7686978 - 11/27/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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with caucasians sometimes they dont tip at all...



yep...that would be me - I refuse to tip  :snub:

I think it's bullshit that companies are giving people less then minimum wage because of it, and that they're expecting their customers to pay their employees salaries for them like that

a tip is *supposed to be* a sort of 'attaboy' for a job well done...NOT an expected necessity  :nonono:


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Muppet]
    #7687003 - 11/27/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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AliceDee said:
with caucasians sometimes they dont tip at all...



yep...that would be me - I refuse to tip  :snub:

I think it's bullshit that companies are giving people less then minimum wage because of it, and that they're expecting their customers to pay their employees salaries for them like that

a tip is *supposed to be* a sort of 'attaboy' for a job well done...NOT an expected necessity  :nonono:




WORD. That is why I do not tip. Unless the waitress is sexy. Then I pretty much have to.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Muppet]
    #7687012 - 11/27/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Why don't you write a letter to the manager and tell him your feelings instead of taking it out on the waitstaff.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7687066 - 11/27/07 05:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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If tips were'nt required, the price of the food would go WAY up. Also, it's a competition thing. It may be generalizing, but if a server thinks that you will tip good, they will serve you better. Give them a flat rate and you will get minimal service.
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7687067 - 11/27/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

How big you tip should greatly depend on were you eat or get serviced, whatever it may be. I'm sure as hell not gonna tip someone who works at nicer restaurant than some place like olive garden or steak and shake, not just because the bill would be higher but because of quality and service. I don't tip a whole lot if someone delivers pizza, any douche can do that job anyway.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7687083 - 11/27/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

because they are poor and evil.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7687128 - 11/27/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Why don't you write a letter to the manager and tell him your feelings instead of taking it out on the waitstaff.



I'd be writing an infinite number of letters to every god damn company in existence...and they'd all be falling on an infinite number of deaf ears - to an infinite number of 'higher ups' that are jerking eachother off over the brilliance of the slave labor they use to manager their companies, and the morons out there that are apparently more then happy to pay these people's wages for them

from their point of view:
they got a beautiful thing going on for em
(they're not gonna change it because of a bad conscious)


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Muppet]
    #7687146 - 11/27/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I got tips at my last job. I brought grocery carts out to cars because they were not allowed outside. This was like a ritzy grocery store. I did not expect them but they were nice. Do you tippers tip the people giving you McDonalds? Shoe store? DIY store? No, you don't. So why tip a waiter?

Tip all or Tip none.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: memes]
    #7687173 - 11/27/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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black people are not taught how to tip.  that's all it is.

and ive come to know this STRAIGHT FROM THE MOUTH of black friends/peers/coworkers/etc. so don't think i'm just pulling this out of my ass.




:thumbup::thumbup:

I had no idea tipping was a big deal until I made friends with a waitress actually. In the black community its pretty much if you do a good job I'll give you $1 tip and if not you're getting nothing (And from what I can tell most of us try and find an excuse so we don't have to pay)

I had no idea waiters got paid crap or that there was a certain percentage we're supposed to tip over because that was never talked about here. After I found out though I tipped what I could being a broke college student.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7687186 - 11/27/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Black people are gangsters.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7687188 - 11/27/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yea I work at whole foods seasonally when I'b back from school
last christmas eve I was taking this ladies groceries to her car and she gave me a 100 dollar bill :eek:
at first I was like I cant accept this, but she insisted
that went towards a half ounce of nugs :yesnod:

anyways I tip generously usually because I feel for the people. obviously if the service is bad or something along those lines I dont
usually between 15-20% when going to dinner, and 10-15% for delivery

why do I tip a waiter and not the person working at McDonald's? because waiters make below minimum wage, its how they make a living yo


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7687203 - 11/27/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Black people aren't generous in my experience unless it's with their family and friends.  If they don't know you then you ain't shit to them.  Just my 2 cents.  :shrug:




Heh that's actually true, but at the same time most black folks are like "Oh I know they momma I ain't gon give them nothing' lol

So it depends but I hear ya lol


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: mikeytro]
    #7687232 - 11/27/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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at first I was like I cant accept this




Wow I would not have not accepted it lol. As soon as it touched my hand it would be in my pocket "Thanks lady!" then run off and show it off to all my co-workers.

But yea it is not my fault they CHOOSE to work for minimum wage. Why should I have to pay the penalty because they chose a job that pays that low. Most waiters or waitress I know work as that JUST for the tips. They expect the costumer to make up for their low wages.

If they made minimum wages and zero tips there would be no waiters at all.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Muppet]
    #7687259 - 11/27/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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AliceDee said:
with caucasians sometimes they dont tip at all...



yep...that would be me - I refuse to tip  :snub:

I think it's bullshit that companies are giving people less then minimum wage because of it, and that they're expecting their customers to pay their employees salaries for them like that

a tip is *supposed to be* a sort of 'attaboy' for a job well done...NOT an expected necessity  :nonono:




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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7687260 - 11/27/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:lol: this kind of argument will never get resolved, people feel differently
I also just feel like I'm making someones day a little better when I tip, which in turn makes me a little brighter
sounds kind of stupid but for some reason it really doesn't bother me to tip, I just factor it in before I go out to eat
the only time I ever skimp is for deliver, which is usually when I'm poor and I have to pay tax + a delivery fee on top of it


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7687292 - 11/27/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't tip a whole lot if someone delivers pizza, any douche can do that job anyway.




I used to take the names and #s of people who didn't tip me  :hellfire:

I would also take the names and #s of people who tipped well and made the extra effort when they called

I hated delivering pizza but I needed the money


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7687328 - 11/27/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have a cheat sheet card in my wallet that tells me how much to tip for a given meal, but I usually just round up anyway. I give money to homeless people on the street, so why not give a little extra money to a waiter who's actually providing a service? However, sometimes I'm low on 5's and 1's, so I just give what I can.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: CosmicFool]
    #7687336 - 11/27/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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UnholyChild666 said:
I don't tip a whole lot if someone delivers pizza, any douche can do that job anyway.




I used to take the names and #s of people who didn't tip me  :hellfire:

I would also take the names and #s of people who tipped well and made the extra effort when they called

I hated delivering pizza but I needed the money




I heard they automatically take out the tip for delivering when you order online. Is that true?


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Mocha Bear]
    #7687375 - 11/27/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No idea if that's true I delivered for a small family owned place
but if you pay w/ credit you can specify the tip amount, I assume you can online too.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: CosmicFool]
    #7687427 - 11/27/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What a dumbass thread this is.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7687445 - 11/27/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Racism and stereotypes don't exist you guys need to GROW UP.




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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Rustifer]
    #7687452 - 11/27/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That didn't even make sense


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7687471 - 11/27/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hey just some fifty years ago when the vikings imported black people from niggeria the blacks used coconuts and monkey paws as currency, now they are using forks in restaurants, democracy kicks ass, but do you expect them to learn the ultimate democratic custom: paying someone for the job they are already getting paid for? NO!


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7687588 - 11/27/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

greedy negroes


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    #7687657 - 11/27/07 06:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Wow there is a lot of stupid people out there.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: AliceDee]
    #7687669 - 11/27/07 07:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

why do black folks always ask me for "fiddy cent"?

or "5 dalla" for the bus, shit son the bus dont cost 5!

i have the same 4 black dudes ask me for money at least once a week, and cigs every day several times a day.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: CosmicFool]
    #7687701 - 11/27/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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UnholyChild666 said:
I don't tip a whole lot if someone delivers pizza, any douche can do that job anyway.




I used to take the names and #s of people who didn't tip me  :hellfire:

I would also take the names and #s of people who tipped well and made the extra effort when they called

I hated delivering pizza but I needed the money




i had a friend who did the exact same thing. delivering pizzas for a few years pretty much made him hate black people. he even quit his job when his store started delivering to an all black university. it's not even a racist thing either because one of the black drivers quit too. black people are just shitty tippers more often than not and everybody who's ever worked tip job is aware of that.

btw the whole "no one ever taught me to tip" thing is the dumbest excuse i've ever heard. i say if no one "taught" you, then maybe you should take it upon yourself to learn what is normal expected behavior in this society and start acting accordingly. seriously, just because no one ever gave you a handbook about tipping when you were five doesn't mean that you are exempt from tipping for the rest of your life.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #7687951 - 11/27/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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CosmicFool said:
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UnholyChild666 said:
I don't tip a whole lot if someone delivers pizza, any douche can do that job anyway.




I used to take the names and #s of people who didn't tip me  :hellfire:

I would also take the names and #s of people who tipped well and made the extra effort when they called

I hated delivering pizza but I needed the money




i had a friend who did the exact same thing. delivering pizzas for a few years pretty much made him hate black people. he even quit his job when his store started delivering to an all black university. it's not even a racist thing either because one of the black drivers quit too. black people are just shitty tippers more often than not and everybody who's ever worked tip job is aware of that.

btw the whole "no one ever taught me to tip" thing is the dumbest excuse i've ever heard. i say if no one "taught" you, then maybe you should take it upon yourself to learn what is normal expected behavior in this society and start acting accordingly. seriously, just because no one ever gave you a handbook about tipping when you were five doesn't mean that you are exempt from tipping for the rest of your life.




Of course I don't tip them much, they don't deserve it fuck em I have no feelings for them, I never have it delivered anyway, Like I said get a real job pussies.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #7688071 - 11/27/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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CosmicFool said:
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UnholyChild666 said:
I don't tip a whole lot if someone delivers pizza, any douche can do that job anyway.




I used to take the names and #s of people who didn't tip me  :hellfire:

I would also take the names and #s of people who tipped well and made the extra effort when they called

I hated delivering pizza but I needed the money




i had a friend who did the exact same thing. delivering pizzas for a few years pretty much made him hate black people. he even quit his job when his store started delivering to an all black university. it's not even a racist thing either because one of the black drivers quit too. black people are just shitty tippers more often than not and everybody who's ever worked tip job is aware of that.

btw the whole "no one ever taught me to tip" thing is the dumbest excuse i've ever heard. i say if no one "taught" you, then maybe you should take it upon yourself to learn what is normal expected behavior in this society and start acting accordingly. seriously, just because no one ever gave you a handbook about tipping when you were five doesn't mean that you are exempt from tipping for the rest of your life.




I agree and that's what I meant I learned what was expected and now I apply it but before I left Mississippi I had no clue. I'd always though since I was little that $1 was a normal tip but I learned otherwise and now I apply it if the service is good. I refuse to tip someone who's pissy just because every other black person they've dealt with didn't tip well and assumes I'll do the same.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7688163 - 11/27/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Why do white people think they deserve more than 10%?

I know alot wont like this... But I worked as a server/delivery driver for 7 years. My wife worked as a server for 6 years. Nearly all tip employees are over payed. You have to be a real jackass to pull in less than $15/hr and averages of $20-$30/hr are quite common. No skill or training required. People in labor/retail jobs work just as hard and make much less. Dont get me wrong, its a good thing. Good for single moms who cant work a 'regular' job, good for students who need a high paying part time job to work through school, and good for drug addict high school drop outs to afford an apartment (like me). But you wont see me crying for servers who dont get 20%.

EDIT- I just asked my wife and she, and I, agree with you. Blacks are shittie tippers, and also immigrants. Doesnt matter what country they are from, or what their socioeconomic status is, they tend to tip poorly.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7688257 - 11/27/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Why do white people think they deserve more than 10%?

I know alot wont like this... But I worked as a server/delivery driver for 7 years. My wife worked as a server for 6 years. Nearly all tip employees are over payed. You have to be a real jackass to pull in less than $15/hr and averages of $20-$30/hr are quite common. No skill or training required. People in labor/retail jobs work just as hard and make much less. Dont get me wrong, its a good thing. Good for single moms who cant work a 'regular' job, good for students who need a high paying part time job to work through school, and good for drug addict high school drop outs to afford an apartment (like me). But you wont see me crying for servers who dont get 20%.

EDIT- I just asked my wife and she, and I, agree with you. Blacks are shittie tippers, and also immigrants. Doesnt matter what country they are from, or what their socioeconomic status is, they tend to tip poorly.




Servers should be tipped more than drivers for the obvious reason that they serve you the driver just drops the shit off, plus they get paid alot more than servers do on the hour. I have never not tipped anyone, I always tip servers at restaurants good as long as they aren't a jerk, which I have never had that happen, but then again I don't really eat out much.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Muppet]
    #7688267 - 11/27/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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with caucasians sometimes they dont tip at all...



yep...that would be me - I refuse to tip  :snub:

I think it's bullshit that companies are giving people less then minimum wage because of it, and that they're expecting their customers to pay their employees salaries for them like that

a tip is *supposed to be* a sort of 'attaboy' for a job well done...NOT an expected necessity  :nonono:




Ok Mr. Pink

For those of you who don't tip.. here's a "TIP" for you. If you're on a date with a chick who's BEEN a waitress at one point. You BETTER fuckin ante up at the end of a meal whenever you take her out to dinner or you ain't gettin no ass afterwards... and she'll tell all her friends what a scrubby ass fool you are. Your penis will be blackballed from the vast pool of hot ex-waitress chicks in your town.

And you know you don't want that! Current and former waitresses tend to be pretty hot. All that stress, running around, and rails of BLOW in the breakroom make for one pretty hot bod.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7688313 - 11/27/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

As a pizza driver, I never claimed one tip (Im a bad citizen). Didnt matter if it was on card or cash, I got it all as cash at the end of the night. I dont think this is the case anymore though...

As a server, they claim all your tips for you. It doesnt matter if its cash or card, or even if you dont get tipped at all! They claim a percentage of your sales as tips no matter what.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7688324 - 11/27/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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As a server, they claim all your tips for you. It doesnt matter if its cash or card, or even if you dont get tipped at all! They claim a percentage of your sales as tips no matter what.




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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: lavod]
    #7688336 - 11/27/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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15% is weak sauce as well. In a good restaurant, if the service is good, 20% is expected.






Any server who thinks 15% is not enough can suck my dick. If the service is truly spectacular, more than that is warranted. He better knit me a goddamn scarf or something if he think he's worth more than the standard 15 points.

DieCommie is right... most servers are overpaid. I know people that drill rock in a mine in order to make 20 bucks an hour, and the government takes its full chunk.

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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7688421 - 11/27/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, to classify someone as overpaid in any profession is relative. Servers are overpaid in comparison to the chefs(especially!), the bussers, and the dishwashers. Yet they are severely underpaid in relation to the managers. Being a server is'nt cake. It's hard on the knees physically. Mentally, you need to be able to cope with the stress. You have to be a certain kind of person to do it for an extended period of time. You'll note that servers who have done it for years begin to take on the two-faced fake persona in their life outside of work as well. I agree that some servers can be considered overpaid, especially the well proportioned females who expect people to pay them for their looks instead of their service. But you have to respect the hard working ones who do everything they can to satisfy the customers regardless of how they are treated by them.
And the pay will never be THAT great, yet I've known servers who gave 100% 6 days a week just to barely get by. Yet most rich people are rich not by hard work, but because they either had friends in "high" places, or were good in telling people what they wanted to hear. College? Well, you just need a good memory and determination for that, not actual intelligence(bar some exceptions). I've just always felt that if someone is doing work for you, they should be respected and compensated for by the means possible(money). Yet, the hardest workers in the restaurant industry are the chefs, usually overworked and underpaid in relation.
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #7688432 - 11/27/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I started delivering pizzas when I was 18 for a little over three years in a mostly white town. The money was really good compared to any retail job. A respectable tip in pizza delivery is 2 - 3 dollars. For some reason people feel like waiters deserve to be tipped more even though delivery drivers are using their own car to bring your food to your house. I never understood that.

As far as black people, I never noticed a difference in tips. There were actually a couple of regular black families that would tip me 4-5 dollars all the time. The shitty tips usually came from either the poor part of town (trailer parks), or from really rich white people believe it or not. There were some people who lived in million dollar houses that would call up every friday night with 40 dollar orders and tip you a buck.

Maybe its a geography or a money thing. I have a hard time believing its purely due to race.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: lavod]
    #7688434 - 11/27/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I totally respect food servers. All through college my friends and roommates were servers. I thought about it, but knew I'd FLIP THE FUCK out on people within a week and get fired.

The closest I came was a weekend job in college in DC working in a mansion for wedding receptions for super rich Democrats.. running around and serving hourdiervs (sp?) and then server the actual meals.

Physically I could handle it.. balancing tons of weight on giant dishes. I thought it was actually fun... but all the food was pre planned. We rarely we ASKED for anything. We didn't really have any interaction with the people and could hide out in the hidden hallways and such and sneak beers and food.

If I actually had to start taking orders and shit for people.. I would have had a problem

I had a roommate once who was a server at TGIFriday's and then became a hostess. She got paid about the same as a hostess and I remmeber thinking that was bullshit. Everyone else was running around doing the hard work and she just had to stand there looking pretty and guiding ppl to their table.

Oh yea.. I was also bus boy on weekends in a crowded ass crab house ON the water in Maryland where all the rich ppl would pull up on their yachts and order all u can eat crabs. I was only 15. The money was pretty nice (after tip share was about 7 bucks an hour under the table no taxes). 7 bucks an hour back in 1995 for a 15 year old wasn't too bad. Because of the type of food and crowd, some waitresses would bring home 500 bucks a weekend EASY. Too bad the management were the biggest ASSHOLES I've ever met in my life. The owner of the place died a few years ago and when I heard about it... well it was the only time in my life I ever heard about someone dying and thought: "good riddeance dickhead"


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: lavod]
    #7688444 - 11/27/07 10:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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lavod said:Yet they are severely underpaid in relation to the managers.


I disagree with that. Nearly every manager makes less than the tip employee per hour. That has been the case for every restaurant and pizza place I have worked or had friends work. Only the general managers seem to consistently make more, but they have real responsibilities and are accountable.

A common scenario in restaurants/pizza places is a tip employee gets lured into a manager position and hates the low pay and 'demotes' himself back to a higher pay less responsibility position he originally had.

I agree with you that it is physically demanding though. I often refer to serving as 'construction indoors'. I used to work 12 hour graveyard shifts at IHOP. I would come in at 5pm and leave at 5am. It was brutal. I would wake up the next morning, situp to stand on my feet and reel in pain back onto the bed. I literally walked on the sides of my feet for a few hours every time I woke up. But the pay was great, I could afford an apt and college.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7688445 - 11/27/07 10:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

wow. i can't believe how many of you are greedy assholes. not tipping at all? are you fucking kidding me?

i work in the service industry (i backwait and bartend) and a fairly substantial portion of my income is in tips. i greatly appreciate when people leave me decent tips, and i myself ALWAYS leave fairly decent tips.

for servers, unless they really, really suck and are unapologetic about it, 20% is the minimum i tip. good servers'll get up to 25%, shitty servers 10-15%. i generally tip delivery drivers just under 20% as well. I also tip baristas and deli workers $0.50-$1, depending on how much i bought.

and i'm a fucking college student. a poor college student in debt, going to school almost entirely on federal grants and loans, because that's how poor i am. if i can afford to tip, then i'm sure you greedy fucks can too.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7688453 - 11/27/07 10:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If I'm too broke to tip I don't eat in a place where tipping is expected.

I tip more in relation to the service I receive than the amount of the bill. With a $50.00 bill as an example, No tip means the service sucked. $2 means the server was negligent but not so bad that I want to appear equally as shitty a person. $5.00 means the service was acceptable but nothing special. $10 means I was very pleased and anything more means I'm drunk, you are hot and I want to fuck you.

Black or white, right or wrong, if you eat in the same place twice and didn't tip the first time, you can assume you are eating some spit the second.

I've never worked in a food service establishment but know plenty who have. I'm married to a waitress. She doesn't do it but, trust me, spit happens.

More on topic. My wife says that blacks tip the least. Whites can go either way too much to really say. Hispanics are rarely over generous but most likely of all to at least leave a tip of some kind.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #7688457 - 11/27/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Think about it....tips OR money to feed my habits....easy choice for me:needdrugs:


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Hahzist]
    #7688468 - 11/27/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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A respectable tip in pizza delivery is 2 - 3 dollars. For some reason people feel like waiters deserve to be tipped more even though delivery drivers are using their own car to bring your food to your house. I never understood that.




I'll give $3 for $12 order, but I feel they don't really "work" for it they way servers do the fact that they use their own car means nothing to me because they get paid more on the hour than servers, and plus I don't care, cars are expensive for most us manual laborers


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7688473 - 11/27/07 10:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

pizza delivery can't be bad...blaze the entire time and listen to music.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7688500 - 11/27/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

whats the difference between a black person and a canoe?



Canoe's sometimes tip.


I was a bartender for serveral yrs, black people tip the worst. by far.
especially, certain black professional athletes who frequented the jazz club where ai tended bar...guys making millions and just dont tip. it must be a cultural thing.

the tipping, tho, has gotten out of hand. why should I tip my barber to cut my hair when it takes 15 minutes and he charges $15?

or the guy who slice up my gyro at the greek fast food restaurant? why the hell does he have a tip jar next to the register?


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7688507 - 11/27/07 10:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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pizza delivery can't be bad...blaze the entire time and listen to music.


I liked it better than serving, though the pay was less. If you can't work on your own car or have an expensive car its not really worth it. I had to work on my old ford at least once a month to keep it running. New tires every year, new brakes about twice a year... and dont let the insurance know you are delivering, or they raise your rates hard core. I made $5.15/hr + tips for all the 5 years I did it.

Pizza driving is alot more dangerous than serving too... You have a much higher chance of dying in a car wreak (fighting traffic is a nightmare). Or getting robbed and murdered (that happened in my delivery area, the driver was killed for $40). Petty assaults are fairly frequent, I was assaulted probably a half dozen times in my pizza career. Usually its just a drunk and not life and death, but its still annoying and humiliating.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: MrBump]
    #7688522 - 11/27/07 10:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Or how bout fuckin starbucks... and their tip jar which is always empty

3 bucks for a coffee. 50% of the time THIS YEAR starbucks has fucked up my order and it's not like it's hard. A FUCKIN CAPPACINO AND A LEMON LOAF. Maybe if they didn't make all the coffee like 5 thousands syllables they could fuckin remember when ppl ordered em

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    #7688587 - 11/27/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

My usual tip is:

Get a better job! Now cook my burger medium rare, thrall.


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    #7688618 - 11/27/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Black people aren't generous in my experience unless it's with their family and friends.  If they don't know you then you ain't shit to them.  Just my 2 cents.  :shrug:




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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: lavod]
    #7688998 - 11/28/07 01:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7689027 - 11/28/07 01:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This is one prejudice that's true.

I was a server for 10 years and I knew black co-workers who would get mad when they got sat with black folks. :lol:

So it's not just us crackas that get 10%.

I worked at a restaurant in downtown Oakland, CA where 90% of the clientele were black,
I'd sell $1,000 and only make $50 to $75 in tips, man it sucked.

At the time I thought it was because I was white and they felt I owed them somehow,
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    #7689050 - 11/28/07 01:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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wtf is with the 93's:crankey:



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    #7689167 - 11/28/07 03:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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wtf is with the 93's:crankey:



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    #7689184 - 11/28/07 04:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

as an ex-art college student - ALL of my friends either waited tables or worked in boutiques (me)
I will say , its been my experience that most people, black or white, unless they have friends /family or they themselves are waiters - DO NOT KNOW that they only make $2 bucks an hour - and with the price of beef through the fucking roof, who can afford to tip. (thats for all my Mr Show fans)

I always tip 20%, at least - because I know about the crummy pay - I also know when I frequent a place, and the servers are fighting to get me in to their zone , I am doing something right.

BTW if you all want to play the race card - the WORST tippers are white and European tourists (German/Dutch/etc) because a black *may* tip you - but a European tourist never will ( I don't think they tip in Europe or something) and a white tourist, may never be back, so they don't care. And typically a waiter will serve a white better because the perception is they have more money - so if they are treated good - they will tip better - see what racism gets ya.
(I got this info form several waiters I knew who worked on 42nd street and in the Village)

I think a sign should be posted of waiters wages in each restaurant. Then no one can say they didn't know. And while they are at it - someone should post MY wages, so I can get some tips.:headbang: OoD


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7689187 - 11/28/07 04:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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20% is expected



what!? that's rediculous

I guess it's totally a cultural thing.. over here tipping is common too, but you don't have to give a certain percentage, and I think 10% is rarely given here. If the service is crap you can just decide not to give a tip.

maybe the prices are lower there as a standard because at least 10% comes from tips?

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DO NOT KNOW that they only make $2 bucks an hour



I just read that.. now I can understand why tipping is so common (and needed) in that culture.
Actually I also just realized that I like the system, this should motivate the employees to give great service:thumbup: (I hope it works like that)

and now that I read this post..:tongue:
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Quote:

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with caucasians sometimes they dont tip at all...



yep...that would be me - I refuse to tip  :snub:

I think it's bullshit that companies are giving people less then minimum wage because of it, and that they're expecting their customers to pay their employees salaries for them like that

a tip is *supposed to be* a sort of 'attaboy' for a job well done...NOT an expected necessity  :nonono:



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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: stefan]
    #7689224 - 11/28/07 05:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:haha:

Where i live tips are not compulsory. As in waiters get PAID PROPERLY and people tip if the service has been good. Service is just as good here as it is in America, maybe with a little less cheesy smiling and over the top crap that you don't need.

Its customary to tip 10 - 15% at fancy restaraunt, that's it, cabs generally take the loose change, the pizza guy sometimes gets a few bucks if he's on time. That's about it.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: undergrounder]
    #7689234 - 11/28/07 05:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The reason for the tip system is to ensure excellent service,
otherwise the food would just be more expensive and the service would be lousy.

It's customary to tip 10% to taxis, bellboys and pizza dudes.
Any less than that and you're getting the evil eye behind your back.

Many states pay LESS THAN minimum wage to restaurant servers,
and any tip less than 15% for decent service is an insult.

Always tipping 20%+ pays for itself in good karma. :thumbup:

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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
    #7689292 - 11/28/07 06:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> but a European tourist never will ( I don't think they tip in Europe or something)

From my limited experience in Europe, the gratuity (at least in Germany) was always already added to the bill.

> I always tip 20%, at least

I tip two dollars, up to a bill of twenty dollars... after that it is 20% minimum. If the service was exceptionally poor, I still tip 20%... thinking that the person has to wonder how much they would have gotten for good service.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: stefan]
    #7689300 - 11/28/07 06:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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20% is expected



what!? that's rediculous

I guess it's totally a cultural thing.. over here tipping is common too, but you don't have to give a certain percentage, and I think 10% is rarely given here. If the service is crap you can just decide not to give a tip.

maybe the prices are lower there as a standard because at least 10% comes from tips?

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DO NOT KNOW that they only make $2 bucks an hour



I just read that.. now I can understand why tipping is so common (and needed) in that culture.
Actually I also just realized that I like the system, this should motivate the employees to give great service:thumbup: (I hope it works like that)

and now that I read this post..:tongue:
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with caucasians sometimes they dont tip at all...



yep...that would be me - I refuse to tip  :snub:

I think it's bullshit that companies are giving people less then minimum wage because of it, and that they're expecting their customers to pay their employees salaries for them like that

a tip is *supposed to be* a sort of 'attaboy' for a job well done...NOT an expected necessity  :nonono:



..I agree with muppet (although I think the low wages and make effort and get tips thing isn't too bad, but it should be like Muppet said)



20% is expected, I second that


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: undergrounder]
    #7689868 - 11/28/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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:haha:

Where i live tips are not compulsory. As in waiters get PAID PROPERLY and people tip if the service has been good. Service is just as good here as it is in America, maybe with a little less cheesy smiling and over the top crap that you don't need.

Its customary to tip 10 - 15% at fancy restaraunt, that's it, cabs generally take the loose change, the pizza guy sometimes gets a few bucks if he's on time. That's about it.




Yeah that's how I think it should be, I'm not tipping someone for saying "how ya doing" then blanking me if I try to respond in wendy's for example.

Fact of the matter is it's highly uncommon to find this tipping culture in anywhere other than america, tips seem to be expected regardless of the service and that is just wrong. I used to work in a pub and I kicked arse at the job but I never expected any thanks for it, after all it's what I was already being paid to do.

The expectation of tipping only comes about because employers see fit to shaft their employees when it comes to wages, I fail to see how the cost of food would change when after all you are expected to pay extra anyway. Arguing the point is poor logic to say the least. If the cost of tips was already included in the meal or whatever it wouldn't really be detrimental to anyone - If anything serving staff actually stand a chance of making even more money if they provide great service and receive a tip ontop of their already decent wage.

Finally, if anyone thinks they should mess with peoples food if they are known not to tip I am sure that really makes you a better person than someone that refuses to subsidise your wage. It's completely out of order that it should be considered mandatory to tip just because the people running these places like being utterly deceitful in how much their food costs the customer.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: lavod]
    #7690441 - 11/28/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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$5 is also a very common tip regardless of the check. Oh yeah, this is in the eastern u.s., could be different elsewhere.





I'm in the Eastern US, and I herd of this five dollar thing for the first time from some girl I went out to eat with the other month. I was surprised, as I always leave ~15-20% depending on service. 10% if service is HORRIBLE, but normally more. But I am not going to leave 5 bucks when we go out for coffee or something at 2am. She insisted on asking the waitress, who of course agreed with her. But I mean who wouldn't.
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7690559 - 11/28/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So it is settled. Black folks really do only tip 10% and its a culture wide thing. I'm glad to know that I am not a victim of racism.

And all you cheapasses don't know how hard it is being a server. It is seriously exhausting work. Mentally and physically. And you have to deal with assholes like yourselves that have some sort of mental issues that they take out on their servers. Sometimes the money is good enough, but I often dream of getting a new, less stressful job. Being a server for 1 year probably takes at least half a year off your life.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7690597 - 11/28/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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15% is weak sauce as well. In a good restaurant, if the service is good, 20% is expected.






Any server who thinks 15% is not enough can suck my dick. If the service is truly spectacular, more than that is warranted. He better knit me a goddamn scarf or something if he think he's worth more than the standard 15 points.

DieCommie is right... most servers are overpaid. I know people that drill rock in a mine in order to make 20 bucks an hour, and the government takes its full chunk.

And those of you who don't tip: you are socially retarded indeed.




20% That's fucking ridiculous, usually the runners do everything anyway. I will never tip 20%. Unless there is a lot of people. How hard is it to get an order and refill drinks.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7690627 - 11/28/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the runners? are you saying that servers never run their own food? because that's bullshit. certainly the backwaits/hostesses run food quite often, but nearly all the servers i know run their own food a significant portion of the time.

plus, these runners of which you speak are tipped out a portion of what you leave. so tipping the servers tips the little guys too.

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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #7690631 - 11/28/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I do not tip, usually. :grin:


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7690655 - 11/28/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #7690663 - 11/28/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I only ever ate out at dennys...I figure me not being a drunk obnoixous asshole is tip enough. Now I never eat anywhere but home.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7690732 - 11/28/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I do not tip, usually. :grin:




If you are not going to tip, at least have big enough balls to tell your waiter right off the bat. Just tell them "look I don't believe in tipping so you aren't getting one." It's only fair. If you don't want your food ran to you while it is piping hot, if you don't want your drinks refilled, if you don't want the waiter checking back with you to make sure everything is fine, than tell them you don't tip and they won't go out of their way to please you.

I waited tables for like 6 months and you bust your ass trying to make each customer feel special so they give you a tip. When they finish eating the food and drinks you brought to them and then took back to the kitchen because it wasn't hot enough and there isn't enough ice in my water and oh can we have that hamburger cut in off, please? You have like 6 tables all at once and everybody needs you to make everything perfect for them and you are getting paid 2.50 an hour. So when you were assuming that the person you were waiting on understood that you rely on tips to live and then you get to their table and they have left you nothing than you get so pissed it ruins your day.

If you aren't going to tip your server, tell them right from the start so they don't waste their time trying to earn a big tip from your cheap ass. Otherwise you are basically lying to their face.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7690741 - 11/28/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Why would I purposely make my stay less enjoyable by telling them I will not tip? It is their job to WAIT on me, take my orders, bring me food, bring me drink. It is not my fault you suck up to people not because you like them, but rather just for money.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7690742 - 11/28/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I only tip white people.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7690777 - 11/28/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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20% That's fucking ridiculous, usually the runners do everything anyway. I will never tip 20%.




Bullshit. You have never worked in a restaurant. Runners/Expediators work really hard. Everyone does (except for the owner). But they do not do most of the work. Waiters do just as much running as the runners do, just on the floor instead of behind the scenes. On top of that waiters bear the brunt of everyone's fury. Chef overcooks a steak? Customer yells at waiter. Customer sends overcooked steak back to kitchen? Chef yells at waiter. Waiter not getting to other tables because he is running the same steak back and forth? Floor manager and other tables yell at waiter. And I am talking YELL, not a little tap on the wrist.

Anytime anything goes wrong, the waiter has to stand there and take shit, while trying to keep a smile on his/her face for the sake of the obnoxious customer who has no idea that waiting tables is literally the worst job in the universe. It sucks. Trust me. Tip the poor mother fuckers. If your food is good and hot, and you are satisfied, then they've earned 15%


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7690802 - 11/28/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have to admit, sometimes I forget to tip, depending on the situation. If it's a restaurant where they give me a check when I'm done eating, then I always remember to tip. But in cases like pizza delivery where I'm paying up-front, it sometimes doesn't occur to me that they expect a tip.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7690804 - 11/28/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Why would I purposely make my stay less enjoyable by telling them I will not tip? It is their job to WAIT on me, take my orders, bring me food, bring me drink. It is not my fault you suck up to people not because you like them, but rather just for money.




My you are a selfish one. Look dude. This is how restaurants work. The owners don't pay the waiters a living wage because they operate under the assumption that you are going to tip them. That is the way it works. If you are going to play outside the rules, at least be man enough to announce it to the waiter at the beginning of the meal.

But I guess it is easier for you to reap the delicious benefits of their hard work and then, when they aren't looking, leave money for the check with no tip and then scurry out the back door like a thief.

If you want food you didn't cook but don't want to tip a waiter, go to McDonald's, not a restaurant. When you are grown up enough to accept that tipping is how the system works and it is what kind, respectable people do to other adults, than you can come and join us at the big boy table.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7690836 - 11/28/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Tangerines said:
Why would I purposely make my stay less enjoyable by telling them I will not tip? It is their job to WAIT on me, take my orders, bring me food, bring me drink. It is not my fault you suck up to people not because you like them, but rather just for money.





If you want food you didn't cook but don't want to tip a waiter, go to McDonald's, not a restaurant. When you are grown up enough to accept that tipping is how the system works and it is what kind, respectable people do to other adults, than you can come and join us at the big boy table.




good idea. people who don't tip should be identified, tagged, and barred from eating at any good restaurants until they prove that they can behave like the rest of society that is responsible. until that is proven they can eat no where other than fast food.

speaking of tipping. if i buy a large tv and they have to deliver it to my house and bring it in, how much are you expected to tip?


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #7690846 - 11/28/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Waiters usually suck anyway if I dont like them I won't tip them shit. People who don't tip at all are scumbags, but I don't think you should expect 20% that's a lot of money for not doing much. Sure it's a "stressful" job but you're still making tips, why don't you go work at mcdonalds if you don't want to worry about poor tippers.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7690851 - 11/28/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Tangerines said:
Why would I purposely make my stay less enjoyable by telling them I will not tip? It is their job to WAIT on me, take my orders, bring me food, bring me drink. It is not my fault you suck up to people not because you like them, but rather just for money.




My you are a selfish one. Look dude. This is how restaurants work. The owners don't pay the waiters a living wage because they operate under the assumption that you are going to tip them. That is the way it works. If you are going to play outside the rules, at least be man enough to announce it to the waiter at the beginning of the meal.

But I guess it is easier for you to reap the delicious benefits of their hard work and then, when they aren't looking, leave money for the check with no tip and then scurry out the back door like a thief.

If you want food you didn't cook but don't want to tip a waiter, go to McDonald's, not a restaurant. When you are grown up enough to accept that tipping is how the system works and it is what kind, respectable people do to other adults, than you can come and join us at the big boy table.




Selfish? Why the fuck do they ASSUME I am going to tip. They should just raise the waiters wage, raise price of food, and that way I wont have to tip. I mean you know the saying about assumptions I am sure. I am not an ass. I want hot food, good service at no extra cost. Good service should be a staple at resturants and with good service people will come back.

EDIT: I mean who made up the rule that they could lower you below minimum wage just on the assumption the customer would tip. Fuck that. Get a real job if you care that much. Factory work pays good.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7690857 - 11/28/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I have to admit, sometimes I forget to tip, depending on the situation. If it's a restaurant where they give me a check when I'm done eating, then I always remember to tip. But in cases like pizza delivery where I'm paying up-front, it sometimes doesn't occur to me that they expect a tip.




That's why you tip when you sign the receipt..


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7690858 - 11/28/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There is an understood social contract that when you enter a restaurant you are taking on the responsibility of paying the waiter a tip of at least 15%. 10% if things went poorly. 20% if you are a nice person.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7690867 - 11/28/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Selfish? Why the fuck do they ASSUME I am going to tip.



Well, the IRS does:

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In some jurisdictions, tipped workers qualify for a lower statutory minimum wage from the employer, and therefore may supplement deficient pay with tips. For example, the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS) requires restaurant employers to ensure that the total tip income reported to them during any pay period is at least eight percent of their total receipts for that period. If the reported total is below eight percent, employers must allocate as income the difference between the actual tip income reported and eight percent of gross receipts. Therefore the IRS is implicitly assuming the average tip to be eight percent.



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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7690870 - 11/28/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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There is an understood social contract that when you enter a restaurant you are taking on the responsibility of paying the waiter a tip of at least 15%. 10% if things went poorly. 20% if you are a nice person.




And why should I not reject this social standard like I do many other things? I had no part in the making of the social standard so fuck it. If they do an excellent job I will tip. If it is avg or below then no tip. I mean maybe some loose change if I can spare it but I would rather give it to the bums. At least I know they are spending it on booze.


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    #7690883 - 11/28/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7690887 - 11/28/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Reject that social standard by staying out of restaurants.


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    #7690891 - 11/28/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Reject that social standard by staying out of restaurants.




Or by having the courage to stand by your own convictions and tell your waiter not to expect a tip


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    #7690893 - 11/28/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

he should not expect one in the first place. that is just ignorant of him/her.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7690895 - 11/28/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, stop working at denney's and get a job at a nice restaurant.


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    #7690904 - 11/28/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

word man. Work at a resturant poor people cannot afford in the first place and i am sure you will get gracious tips. But seriously, who expects tips at dennys, ihop, wafflehouse, eatnpark???


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    #7690905 - 11/28/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

everyone who waits tables there you douche.


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    #7690906 - 11/28/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well if they want a tip they should throw me a slice of pie AT LEAST. I mean come on. I love pie. Pie is tip worthy.


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word man. Work at a resturant poor people cannot afford in the first place and i am sure you will get gracious tips. But seriously, who expects tips at dennys, ihop, wafflehouse, eatnpark???




the waiters who service your table.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #7690921 - 11/28/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I am not entirely socially inept, as you so kindly worded your insult. I tip hot waitresses don't get me wrong.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #7690936 - 11/28/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7690948 - 11/28/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Because they're cheap, grimy fucks. Hispanics don't tip well either. If they don't have the money to tip, they should stick to McDonalds. When I was a server I also noticed black people liked ordering sweet drinks, like lemonade and Hawaiian Punch. Do they even try to break their stereotypes anymore or have they just said fuck it?


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7690953 - 11/28/07 02:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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he should not expect one in the first place. that is just ignorant of him/her.




Lets say you decide you want to go to a hooker for a blowjob. You drive down a street where there are always hookers on the corner. You see a slutty woman in fishnets, a leather miniskirt, thigh high boots, and her titties are all popping out of her shirt. Clearly she is a hooker. She comes up to your car and says "looking for a good time, honey?" and you are like, "yeah, how much?" She replies "$50 an hour." So you tell her to get in.

You drive to a secluded spot. You give her $50 and then unzip your pants and tell her to blow you. Than she is like "oh, no I'm not a hooker. I don't believe in prostitution. I just charge $50 an hour for stimulating conversation."

In the above situation, you have been cheated. Why? Because everyone knows how prostitution works without there being a contract. There is a SOCIAL contract. She was on the corner, dressed as a whore, and both you and she did all the requisite things required of both a whore and her client to suggest that you were going to pay her for sex.

Same thing in a restaurant. If you go in, sit at a table, order food and the waiter brings it to you, you are entering a social contract. If you don't tip at least something, you are breaking the social contract.

Now wouldn't it have been fair of the hooker to tell you upfront that she charges $50/hour for stimulating conversation? Wouldn't it likewise only be fair of you to either not go into restaurants pretending to be a normal customer or tell the waiter that you won't tip so they can behave accordingly?


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7690972 - 11/28/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's interesting how Jews have not been brought up yet.  I guess that stereotype is untrue. :shrug:


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7690973 - 11/28/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So I tell the waiter I will not tip. He brings me cold food, poor service etc. Then what, complain to the manager saying I never come back, waiter gets fired. What does that solve?


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7690974 - 11/28/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I always tip at least 20%.

The waitstaff need it more than I do.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7690976 - 11/28/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

BTW, if the service is horrible, the trick is rather than leave no tip at all, leave them a penny. No tip just tells them that you're a cheapskate, but if you tip them a penny, that tells them that they fucked up and ruined your meal.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7690981 - 11/28/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

European people don't tip, haha have you ever seen the movie "waiting" with that douche bag?


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7690989 - 11/28/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I once had a young couple leave me a penny. I never expected much from young people anyway, they're god damn cheap. They're another group that needs to go to McDonalds or cook at home.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7690993 - 11/28/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think being a waiter is much different in Europe. Over there, I think it actually considered a career.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7691069 - 11/28/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

tipping is bullshit. i've had a number of backbreaking jobs in my day and not during any of them did i make as much as a waiter or bartender does with their tips. i still usually go 20% though, and at least 25% if it's a bar where i'm a regular.

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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: wilshire]
    #7691111 - 11/28/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I notice a lot of your posts are about people not deserving the money they're getting.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7691161 - 11/28/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

god damn fucking embedding

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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7691173 - 11/28/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Steve Buscemi is THE shit.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7691182 - 11/28/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I bet he tips in REAL life


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7691186 - 11/28/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Amber_Glow said:
Reject that social standard by staying out of restaurants.




Or by having the courage to stand by your own convictions and tell your waiter not to expect a tip



Who is that much of a cheapass? I guess you could do that..and then get snot in your food when it's served to ya..


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7691203 - 11/28/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

leave us non-tippers alone and go back to your under minimum wage jobs that you CHOOSE to work. it is not my fault you are a parasite trying to leech more money out of for doing your damn job.

Hell if I could, I would go to the kitchen window, place my order, get my own drink, and pick up my food. But I cannot. So am i forced to pay for an unwanted service? I go to resturants to get somewhat quick, hot, good meals. I do not want the waiter service. Can you op out ono the waiter in order not to tip? that would be the option I choose.

this is directed to no one in particular, just waiters/waitresses.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7691239 - 11/28/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Selfish? Why the fuck do they ASSUME I am going to tip.  They should just raise the waiters wage, raise price of food, and that way I wont have to tip.  I mean you know the saying about assumptions I am sure. I am not an ass. I want hot food, good service at no extra cost.  Good service should be a staple at resturants and with good service people will come back.






They only assume that you respect the customs of the society in which you live.  Those of us who understand that we have a responsibility to that society - beyond what is enforced - know that we can count on adding about 15% to a restaurant check.  It is voluntary, just as saying thank you is voluntary.  Wages have been adjusted because the service industry assumes most people understand this custom. 

Good service is a staple at most restaurants, as is tipping.


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EDIT: I mean who made up the rule that they could lower you below minimum wage just on the assumption the customer would tip.  Fuck that. Get a real job if you care that much. Factory work pays good.




They can't do that where I live.  I agree with you there, that's retarded.  Minimum wage should be the minimum wage.


I love how any thread about tipping gets people up in arms :awesome:


Oh yeah another thing:

Anybody who spits/pisses/whatever into somebody's food (or witnesses someone doing it and doesn't say anything) is a fucking scumbag.  That kind of shit is MUCH worse than not tipping.  A person who would do that would serve us best by killing themselves.  I'd give them a huge tip for that.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7691246 - 11/28/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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leave us non-tippers alone and go back to your under minimum wage jobs that you CHOOSE to work. it is not my fault you are a parasite trying to leech more money out of for doing your damn job.

Hell if I could, I would go to the kitchen window, place my order, get my own drink, and pick up my food. But I cannot. So am i forced to pay for an unwanted service? I go to resturants to get somewhat quick, hot, good meals. I do not want the waiter service. Can you op out ono the waiter in order not to tip? that would be the option I choose.

this is directed to no one in particular, just waiters/waitresses.




i agree. luckily the tipping culture is relaxed over here. tip if you have money to spend, otherwise keep it.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7691525 - 11/28/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Hell if I could, I would go to the kitchen window, place my order, get my own drink, and pick up my food. But I cannot. So am i forced to pay for an unwanted service? I go to resturants to get somewhat quick, hot, good meals. I do not want the waiter service. Can you op out ono the waiter in order not to tip? that would be the option I choose.



Take-out is for people who do not want waiter service or a delivery driver.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: bukkake]
    #7691527 - 11/28/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

oh, and most resturants take out? I think not.


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    #7691549 - 11/28/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: bukkake]
    #7692556 - 11/28/07 08:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Some of them do, definitely not most. I definitely think you should tip something, unless they were really bad. But assuming you will be tipped a certain percent is ridiculous.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7694123 - 11/29/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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oh, and most resturants take out? I think not.




most restaurants that cater to people too cheap to tip, yes.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #7694248 - 11/29/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

In my area... most restaurants have takeout. All the restaurants in strip malls here do it. Even sit down restaurants like Outback and Fridays have take out.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7694443 - 11/29/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i only tip at burger king.

they need it more.


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: lavod]
    #7702956 - 12/01/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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93
Being another former restaurant worker for years, I have noticed this as well. $5 is also a very common tip regardless of the check. And my former black co-workers usually recieved the same treatment. Of course, this is not a racist thing, but a purely objective observation that african-americans tend to be poor tippers far more frequently than caucasians. Other poor tippers are usually Asians, Russians, and Indians/Bengalis. The best tippers happen to be american caucasians and western europeans(especially spaniards). Again, an objective observation and not always the case. Oh yeah, this is in the eastern u.s., could be different elsewhere.
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Spaniards, at least in Spain are awful tippers, but then there is a lot of enfasis over here that if you go to the U.S. you have to tip 15%.

Romanians are good tippers in my experience. I just got 100 dollars off a group of them for 3 days work waiting at a conference stand (plus my wages)


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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7707138 - 12/02/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I worked in the retaurant biz forthe last 26 years.I have asked a few "black" people why this is true.Two of them told me that this was a way to get back at the white man,no kidding,this is what they said to me.one said they just do not want to tip anyone white or black.

I also worked in mississippi at a casino,the ratio of nontipping blacks to tipping blacks was better,but still not as many.Some people are just a certain way when it comes to tipping.I have also seen black people not want to wait on other black people saying they don't tip!!!

Any time a group of black people would come in the word in the back o the house was,"YOU GOT A BLACKTOP!".The whole fucking restaurant thing finally burned me out,I am back in school now to be an RN.


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