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alphabeatu
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7688618 - 11/27/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: Black people aren't generous in my experience unless it's with their family and friends. If they don't know you then you ain't shit to them. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: lavod]
#7688998 - 11/28/07 01:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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wtf is with the 93's
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: TurntableJunky]
#7689027 - 11/28/07 01:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is one prejudice that's true.
I was a server for 10 years and I knew black co-workers who would get mad when they got sat with black folks.
So it's not just us crackas that get 10%.
I worked at a restaurant in downtown Oakland, CA where 90% of the clientele were black, I'd sell $1,000 and only make $50 to $75 in tips, man it sucked.
At the time I thought it was because I was white and they felt I owed them somehow, but I couldn't help but notice all the bling they wore that was mined by slaves in africa. 
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: TurntableJunky]
#7689050 - 11/28/07 01:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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TurntableJunky said: wtf is with the 93's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/93_%28Thelema%29
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Silversoul]
#7689167 - 11/28/07 03:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
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TurntableJunky said: wtf is with the 93's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/93_%28Thelema%29
Anarchism ftw! 39/39
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: alphabeatu]
#7689184 - 11/28/07 04:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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as an ex-art college student - ALL of my friends either waited tables or worked in boutiques (me) I will say , its been my experience that most people, black or white, unless they have friends /family or they themselves are waiters - DO NOT KNOW that they only make $2 bucks an hour - and with the price of beef through the fucking roof, who can afford to tip. (thats for all my Mr Show fans)
I always tip 20%, at least - because I know about the crummy pay - I also know when I frequent a place, and the servers are fighting to get me in to their zone , I am doing something right.
BTW if you all want to play the race card - the WORST tippers are white and European tourists (German/Dutch/etc) because a black *may* tip you - but a European tourist never will ( I don't think they tip in Europe or something) and a white tourist, may never be back, so they don't care. And typically a waiter will serve a white better because the perception is they have more money - so if they are treated good - they will tip better - see what racism gets ya. (I got this info form several waiters I knew who worked on 42nd street and in the Village)
I think a sign should be posted of waiters wages in each restaurant. Then no one can say they didn't know. And while they are at it - someone should post MY wages, so I can get some tips. OoD
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
#7689187 - 11/28/07 04:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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20% is expected
what!? that's rediculous
I guess it's totally a cultural thing.. over here tipping is common too, but you don't have to give a certain percentage, and I think 10% is rarely given here. If the service is crap you can just decide not to give a tip.
maybe the prices are lower there as a standard because at least 10% comes from tips?
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DO NOT KNOW that they only make $2 bucks an hour
I just read that.. now I can understand why tipping is so common (and needed) in that culture. Actually I also just realized that I like the system, this should motivate the employees to give great service (I hope it works like that)
and now that I read this post..
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Muppet said:
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AliceDee said: with caucasians sometimes they dont tip at all...
yep...that would be me - I refuse to tip
I think it's bullshit that companies are giving people less then minimum wage because of it, and that they're expecting their customers to pay their employees salaries for them like that
a tip is *supposed to be* a sort of 'attaboy' for a job well done...NOT an expected necessity
..I agree with muppet (although I think the low wages and make effort and get tips thing isn't too bad, but it should be like Muppet said)
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: stefan]
#7689224 - 11/28/07 05:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Where i live tips are not compulsory. As in waiters get PAID PROPERLY and people tip if the service has been good. Service is just as good here as it is in America, maybe with a little less cheesy smiling and over the top crap that you don't need.
Its customary to tip 10 - 15% at fancy restaraunt, that's it, cabs generally take the loose change, the pizza guy sometimes gets a few bucks if he's on time. That's about it.
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: undergrounder]
#7689234 - 11/28/07 05:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The reason for the tip system is to ensure excellent service, otherwise the food would just be more expensive and the service would be lousy.
It's customary to tip 10% to taxis, bellboys and pizza dudes. Any less than that and you're getting the evil eye behind your back.
Many states pay LESS THAN minimum wage to restaurant servers, and any tip less than 15% for decent service is an insult.
Always tipping 20%+ pays for itself in good karma. 
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> but a European tourist never will ( I don't think they tip in Europe or something)
From my limited experience in Europe, the gratuity (at least in Germany) was always already added to the bill.
> I always tip 20%, at least
I tip two dollars, up to a bill of twenty dollars... after that it is 20% minimum. If the service was exceptionally poor, I still tip 20%... thinking that the person has to wonder how much they would have gotten for good service.
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: stefan]
#7689300 - 11/28/07 06:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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stefan said:
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20% is expected
what!? that's rediculous
I guess it's totally a cultural thing.. over here tipping is common too, but you don't have to give a certain percentage, and I think 10% is rarely given here. If the service is crap you can just decide not to give a tip.
maybe the prices are lower there as a standard because at least 10% comes from tips?
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DO NOT KNOW that they only make $2 bucks an hour
I just read that.. now I can understand why tipping is so common (and needed) in that culture. Actually I also just realized that I like the system, this should motivate the employees to give great service (I hope it works like that)
and now that I read this post..
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Muppet said:
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AliceDee said: with caucasians sometimes they dont tip at all...
yep...that would be me - I refuse to tip
I think it's bullshit that companies are giving people less then minimum wage because of it, and that they're expecting their customers to pay their employees salaries for them like that
a tip is *supposed to be* a sort of 'attaboy' for a job well done...NOT an expected necessity
..I agree with muppet (although I think the low wages and make effort and get tips thing isn't too bad, but it should be like Muppet said)
20% is expected, I second that
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: undergrounder]
#7689868 - 11/28/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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undergrounder said:

Where i live tips are not compulsory. As in waiters get PAID PROPERLY and people tip if the service has been good. Service is just as good here as it is in America, maybe with a little less cheesy smiling and over the top crap that you don't need.
Its customary to tip 10 - 15% at fancy restaraunt, that's it, cabs generally take the loose change, the pizza guy sometimes gets a few bucks if he's on time. That's about it.
Yeah that's how I think it should be, I'm not tipping someone for saying "how ya doing" then blanking me if I try to respond in wendy's for example.
Fact of the matter is it's highly uncommon to find this tipping culture in anywhere other than america, tips seem to be expected regardless of the service and that is just wrong. I used to work in a pub and I kicked arse at the job but I never expected any thanks for it, after all it's what I was already being paid to do.
The expectation of tipping only comes about because employers see fit to shaft their employees when it comes to wages, I fail to see how the cost of food would change when after all you are expected to pay extra anyway. Arguing the point is poor logic to say the least. If the cost of tips was already included in the meal or whatever it wouldn't really be detrimental to anyone - If anything serving staff actually stand a chance of making even more money if they provide great service and receive a tip ontop of their already decent wage.
Finally, if anyone thinks they should mess with peoples food if they are known not to tip I am sure that really makes you a better person than someone that refuses to subsidise your wage. It's completely out of order that it should be considered mandatory to tip just because the people running these places like being utterly deceitful in how much their food costs the customer.
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: lavod]
#7690441 - 11/28/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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lavod said: $5 is also a very common tip regardless of the check. Oh yeah, this is in the eastern u.s., could be different elsewhere.
I'm in the Eastern US, and I herd of this five dollar thing for the first time from some girl I went out to eat with the other month. I was surprised, as I always leave ~15-20% depending on service. 10% if service is HORRIBLE, but normally more. But I am not going to leave 5 bucks when we go out for coffee or something at 2am. She insisted on asking the waitress, who of course agreed with her. But I mean who wouldn't. I'm happy with my 15%
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Amber_Glow]
#7690559 - 11/28/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So it is settled. Black folks really do only tip 10% and its a culture wide thing. I'm glad to know that I am not a victim of racism.
And all you cheapasses don't know how hard it is being a server. It is seriously exhausting work. Mentally and physically. And you have to deal with assholes like yourselves that have some sort of mental issues that they take out on their servers. Sometimes the money is good enough, but I often dream of getting a new, less stressful job. Being a server for 1 year probably takes at least half a year off your life.
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7690597 - 11/28/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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15% is weak sauce as well. In a good restaurant, if the service is good, 20% is expected.
Any server who thinks 15% is not enough can suck my dick. If the service is truly spectacular, more than that is warranted. He better knit me a goddamn scarf or something if he think he's worth more than the standard 15 points.
DieCommie is right... most servers are overpaid. I know people that drill rock in a mine in order to make 20 bucks an hour, and the government takes its full chunk.
And those of you who don't tip: you are socially retarded indeed.
20% That's fucking ridiculous, usually the runners do everything anyway. I will never tip 20%. Unless there is a lot of people. How hard is it to get an order and refill drinks.
Edited by Caribou_Lou (11/28/07 02:27 PM)
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Caribou_Lou]
#7690627 - 11/28/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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the runners? are you saying that servers never run their own food? because that's bullshit. certainly the backwaits/hostesses run food quite often, but nearly all the servers i know run their own food a significant portion of the time.
plus, these runners of which you speak are tipped out a portion of what you leave. so tipping the servers tips the little guys too.
you're just trying [and failing] to justify your greedy behavior.
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I do not tip, usually.
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Re: Why do black folks only tip 10%? [Re: Tangerines]
#7690655 - 11/28/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I only ever ate out at dennys...I figure me not being a drunk obnoixous asshole is tip enough. Now I never eat anywhere but home.
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