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Overdosing on psilocybin?
    #7686677 - 11/27/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm reading an article about the legendary Brotherhood of Eternal Love and it mentions one of it's members, a dude by the name of John Griggs, dies of a psilocybin overdose. I've never heard of this. I didn't know it was possible. Does anyone know any details about this death or does it discuss any of it in that book about the hippie mafia?

BTW - here's the article. The mention was on page 5 towards the bottom.

http://www.ocweekly.com/features/features/lords-of-acid/18743/


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: Mikeadelic]
    #7686710 - 11/27/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

He extracted pure psiocybin and injected it. I believe is how the story goes.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: F1234K]
    #7686726 - 11/27/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i didn't know he injected it, all i know is he took way too much and overdosed. how could you not think it was possible? every drug has a lethal dose, even the ones where it's ridiculously high.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: porcupine]
    #7686735 - 11/27/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

even water has a lethal dose


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: clemens]
    #7686821 - 11/27/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

OD-ing through eating shrooms i thought was pretty much impossible- as the LD50 is like 22g/kg. So if you are a tiny women weighing 100kg (very tiny) You would have to eat 2.2 kg, like an entire pound.

-Thats just what i heard-prolly falce. I think the values are probalby low.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: nolongerinuse]
    #7686855 - 11/27/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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new2grow said:
You would have to eat 2.2 kg, like an entire pound.




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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: porcupine]
    #7686866 - 11/27/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I knew there was a lethal dose but like LSD, it's way up there and highly unlikely to be reached. The thing that caught my attention was the mention of psilocybin specifically. I could see maybe other contaminants or poisons on the mushroom but not straight psilocybin.

Ya learn something new everyday.

I wonder how he went. Heat attack. Seizure. Must've been a crazy ride before he finally kicked. Christ.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: Mikeadelic]
    #7686889 - 11/27/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

mikeadelic, i hate your avatar.

But it's possible to die from psilocybin, just like anything else. It's just really hard. That guy must have lived for 1000 years in his head before he died though. Probably didn't realize he was dying either.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7687020 - 11/27/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I doubt he had a thought process.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: Mikeadelic]
    #7687102 - 11/27/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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By the time the convictions came in, Griggs was gone, dead from an overdose of psilocybin in 1969.




I don't believe it. He overdosed on something else.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7687149 - 11/27/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"Similarly, symptoms of physical overdose are rare, since a lethal dose is estimated at more than 2,000 times the psychoactive dose."
I pulled that from http://www.doitnow.org/pages/132.html

Just thinking about that maybe time stopped for him. Maybe he reached a peak so high he felt no time pass and no change.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7687208 - 11/27/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Could there have been a deadly mushroom mix in ?


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7687396 - 11/27/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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mikeadelic, i hate your avatar.




I LOVE IT!!!  Freaks is one of my fav movies of all time!  :laugh:


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: c0_hush]
    #7691478 - 11/28/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i think its possible for some of his systems to perhaps be so messed up that they cease to actually work. i know that lsd is non-toxic and any "overdose" which there is only one case was from a respiratory system failure


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: nolongerinuse]
    #7691564 - 11/28/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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So if you are a tiny women weighing 100kg (very tiny) You would have to eat 2.2 kg, like an entire pound.






a 100 kg woman would weigh 223 pounds.  not very tiny where i come from.  you must like your women big boned.  :rofl2:


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: norml840]
    #7691597 - 11/28/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

supposedly he ate a bunch of pure crystals from sandoz...


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: 2859558484]
    #7692207 - 11/28/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If anyone here has consumed over an ounce of dried shrooms alone, i'd like to see that.

Because, I don't think you'd come back from that.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7692399 - 11/28/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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mikeadelic, i hate your avatar.

But it's possible to die from psilocybin, just like anything else. It's just really hard. That guy must have lived for 1000 years in his head before he died though. Probably didn't realize he was dying either.




The first time I saw his avatar a few months ago I said the EXACT SAME THING prior to my response to him.
I really just dont like that avatar to the point where I wonder why he made it his, and whether or not I dont like him because of it.

Its like "If you had to make a face for yourself what would it be".
Apparently for him, his face was chosen to be the exploitation of a deformed person acting like a mentally ill and somewhat devious little munchkin.

What does that say about him?

I dont fucking know. He probably thinks its funny.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: yageman]
    #7692421 - 11/28/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's pretty damn messed up.

disturbing.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: cube talk]
    #7692458 - 11/28/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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If anyone here has consumed over an ounce of dried shrooms alone, i'd like to see that.

Because, I don't think you'd come back from that.




Plenty of people (relatively speaking) have eaten an ounce. I know some of them personally. You come back. Well, most of you anyways.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: cube talk]
    #7692484 - 11/28/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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If anyone here has consumed over an ounce of dried shrooms alone, i'd like to see that.

Because, I don't think you'd come back from that.




I'm still alive from doing just that. I think I might have sold my soul to the devil in the process, but I'm still alive.

The story just makes no sense. Never have I ever read another report of someone overdosing/dieing from too much Psilocybin/Psilocin ect. It doesn't say they did a chemical analysis on the man after his death, an autopsy report.. even if they did, Psilocybin basically leaves your body within hours of eating them.. possibly leaving only trace amounts to be found in testing (this is just off the top o my head).

I've never heard of anyone overdosing on LSD either (i dont think). People like Syd Barrett and Robert Hunter probably used to eat thousands of hits at a time possibly, even people who IV insane dosages of LSD come back alive.

My guess is this guy overdosed on something else.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: g00ru]
    #7692494 - 11/28/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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guruu said:
Quote:

cube talk said:
If anyone here has consumed over an ounce of dried shrooms alone, i'd like to see that.

Because, I don't think you'd come back from that.




Plenty of people (relatively speaking) have eaten an ounce. I know some of them personally. You come back. Well, most of you anyways.




If anything you come back with extra parts. Quite a ride.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: g00ru]
    #7692531 - 11/28/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Erowid's Psychedelic LD50's on Assorted Rodents

For comparisons with humans I usually extrapolate from data with mice, but take into account that they are still significantly different from humans regardless of genetic sequencing.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: slackophage]
    #7692678 - 11/28/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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Quote:

cube talk said:
If anyone here has consumed over an ounce of dried shrooms alone, i'd like to see that.

Because, I don't think you'd come back from that.




Plenty of people (relatively speaking) have eaten an ounce. I know some of them personally. You come back. Well, most of you anyways.




If anything you come back with extra parts. Quite a ride.




Ya no shit.
You at the very least cant say you have seen that place before. It all starts from there.

My highest dose was 14 grams and that is just fucking ridiculous, just like 7 grams is in a way.
I was young, bold, not capable of seeing the whole, and most importantly I was capable of taking that much and having alot of it cancelled out by my young age(17 years old).
I mean, it was mind blowing for about 30 hours, but nothing like what it would do to my more evolved state of mind at the age of 24.

In my experience, the dumber folks just need more to even see visuals.
This fact for me goes around the clock, and if you think about it, this might make just make sense to you too.

The highest dosers I know are the ones most serious about psychedelics, ORRRRR the ones too fuggin simple to see anything useful in there and they just get stupid, drunk, damn near delerious, and have a great fucking time being on a psychedelic leash for a good many hours(sorry trip sitter, didnt mean to piss in my own refrigerator).
I think its fitting/cool that most people prefer the middle ground, and get alot out of it. Those people like me, may actually have a reason to take even 10 grams one day, which is a fucking insane thing to do if your cubes are good.

I have never seen anyone eat an O........I dont dont plan to be around when some person treats their brain like shit in that way.

It would actually make me kinda sad that they didnt get much out of it sooner, and that they are fucking with their brain without knowing where they are going in the first place.
If that type of person is lucky, they wont get anywhere and just black out and run into furniture for about 8-10 hours with a sitter present.

24 grams is for true psychonauts, and truely ridiculous people.
You are one or the other when you make the decision to fuck with your one and only organic brain in that way.

You could give me any amount of money and I would not take 28 grams.
Money means almost nothing to me. I cant enjoy my money if I fucked myself over with such confusion and permanent effects that I cant grasp just yet. I have only used 14 grams one time and dont need to do that again. It was less amazing than 7 grams.
Cheers to those who have a reason to do it beyond pushing their own limits.
If you are doing that dose only for yourself, yer fucked.
You need to give the millions of little nodes of information some credit, and give them something in return......lol

There is some crazy shit out there, but the majority of people who wont take less than 5 grams just dont see things the same way.
To them, 3.5 grams is for a fucking party or something.

Excess, Excess, Excess.............
Your desired recreational dose says alot about you.

Im not crazy, I just know that this is true among the people I have known over the years.
If you want to treat mushrooms like weed or alcohol, then be my guest, and you can probably take more than people who have a deeper understanding and a set of psychedelic overminds that just put that sort of abuse to shame(and at a much lower dose). You may have simply been prone to doing that, because you didnt see anything else in there.
A self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.

Good luck with any dose you take.
Just dont treat your brain like shit.
It might make you just simply less virtuous, and less capable if you abuse these psychedelics.
Im not calling that karma, im just saying that this is what karma is made of.

Its all paridoxical. You could be one of those people who is not careful with your brain and you find things that benifit you greatly.

Good luck high dosers..........I cant give enough cautionary tales unless I spent alot of time explaining how these drugs actions depend on the people who take them.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: Mikeadelic]
    #7693183 - 11/28/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Griggs ate an insane amount of Psilocybin. I believe it was from Sandoz, but Nick Sand or Tim Scully may have synthesised it on the Brotherhood of Eternal Love's Ranch.

As I recall the story, Griggs ate an undetermined, but ridiculously excessive amount of Psilocybin, went into his tent, shouted to another Brother, "If you want to trip, take acid. The Psilocybin's a total overdose." He also insisted that what happened would be between him and God, but eventually the decision was made to take him to a hospital. I think he died on the way there or just after getting to the hospital.

I'm sure I got a lot of details wrong. John Griggs, founder of one of the greatest groups of the Psychedelic Revolution. Great man, in my opinion.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7693421 - 11/29/07 01:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I had a half ounce left one night after my buddy ate and i had an 1/8th out of that. Two hours later i was having the most beautiful trip and i said fuck it and decided to eat more. I finished the bag over a 6 hour period and eating in 3 sittings. I felt like shit for about 2 days from not sleeping ( think MDMA hangover ) It was great, but ive never wanted to do it again. :psychsplit:


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: g00ru]
    #7693728 - 11/29/07 06:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, you can overdose on just about anything if you take too much of it so it doesn't surprise me


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: Mikeadelic]
    #7693816 - 11/29/07 06:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

This thread and the linked article inspired me to look it up.

The only reference I have is a copy of Acid Dreams by martin lee and bruce shalin.

On page 248, the book recounts the death of John Griggs, and attributes his death to an overdose of PCP!

Psilocybin isn't mentioned in the story. However, the story does mention his attitude that it is 'just between me and god.'

I wonder what the truth is...


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7694242 - 11/29/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The "From Flower Power to Hippy Mafia" book claims it was Psilocybin, but who knows? A damn shame in any case.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7694276 - 11/29/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, since psilocybin isn't really known to have a lethal dose, it seems more likely that it was PCP.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7694297 - 11/29/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

it was probably pcp and they thought it was psilocybin


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7694306 - 11/29/07 10:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Don't hate me Yageman because of my avatar. I don't make fun of the girl holding a sitar (or whatever the fuck she's holding) in your avatar, right? It's because I don't give a fuck about you or your avatar. My life does not revolve around a message board and things like this are done strictly for the fun of it. BTW - it's a clip from the movie "Freaks" and also a staple of the Ramones. This "avatar should be a reflection of oneself" B.S. is as stupid as the avatar itself. So hopefully you wont lose sleep over it anymore. Okay, champ?

Back on topic - I ordered that book about the hippie mafia. Hopefully they go into depth about what happened to him.

Thanks for the input - I love getting other peoples thoughts on shit like this.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7694587 - 11/29/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Of course Psilocybin has a lethal dose. It's just far higher than you'd be likely to take. The Brotherhood of Eternal Love book shouldn't disappoint you, but a few minor facts are wrong, so maybe they got the Psilocybin part wrong.

It's an amazing story of the transformative power of LSD and the mystical experience. The latter end of the story isn't so happy, but I won't ruin it for you, though you probably already know the basics.


Lies about avatars not representing who we are. Next you'll be trying to claim that I'm not actually John Lennon, or that wowitch isn't a hand with some mushrooms in it.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: cube talk]
    #7694675 - 11/29/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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cube talk said:
If anyone here has consumed over an ounce of dried shrooms alone, i'd like to see that.
Because, I don't think you'd come back from that.




First, considering that the chemical structure of psiloc(yb)in is much closer to that of seretonin than LSD, and considering that LSD is virtually non-lethal, I'm willing to bet that psiloc(yb)in is even safer!

Second, if various people who have experienced thumbprint doses have returned to reality (such as it is), then I would think that someone tripping on a large dose of shrooms would come back as well.

The person in question who supposedly died .. I think he died from a heart attack due to extreme mental shock, the same way someone might die from the shock of falling a long distance, before they even hit the ground.

This is not in any way an endorsement to start doing massive large doses, but I would state with confidence that "normal" doses are perfectly safe.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7694730 - 11/29/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If you ate weak shrooms like Pelliculoas, you would start getting really high way before you overdosed.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7695046 - 11/29/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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EllisDSox said:
Of course Psilocybin has a lethal dose. It's just far higher than you'd be likely to take. The Brotherhood of Eternal Love book shouldn't disappoint you, but a few minor facts are wrong, so maybe they got the Psilocybin part wrong.





I'm hoping the book is good. I read "Storming Heaven" not long ago and found it a little on the side. It started out on a roll but I didn't like the authors writing style. He was a little long-winded on some of the subjects.

You most likely have heard of this already but here is a link to a trailer for a documentary that's coming out in the future about the "brotherhood". Looks really good! Orange Sunshine


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: Mikeadelic]
    #7719002 - 12/05/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Speaking of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, anyone have the link to the YouTube video of an interview with a surfer dude associated with the Brotherhood? I saw it about a years ago but cant find it now. I'm not talking about the 11 minute trailer for the upcoming documentary on the Hippie Mafia. This was a dated mini-doc and I remember reading in the Youtube comments that one of the surfers that was in the video doing yoga and other meditation was a member of the Brotherhood.

If somebody could post the link for me I would be forever obliged. thanks!


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7723282 - 12/06/07 06:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Griggs ate an insane amount of Psilocybin. I believe it was from Sandoz, but Nick Sand or Tim Scully may have synthesised it on the Brotherhood of Eternal Love's Ranch.

As I recall the story, Griggs ate an undetermined, but ridiculously excessive amount of Psilocybin, went into his tent, shouted to another Brother, "If you want to trip, take acid. The Psilocybin's a total overdose." He also insisted that what happened would be between him and God, but eventually the decision was made to take him to a hospital. I think he died on the way there or just after getting to the hospital.



I'm pretty sure this is mentioned in Storming Heaven. It said he was poisoned (but at the same time very high) by incorrectly synthesized psilocybin from an underground chemist. As in your version it mentioned a tent and the line "this is between me and God". I make no claims as to the accuracy of the Storming Heaven version but it's one of those anecdotes that always stuck in my mind.


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Re: Overdosing on psilocybin? [Re: Mikeadelic]
    #7723359 - 12/06/07 07:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think it is an issue of proper preparation (tea) and stomach soothin liquids (beer) to prevent sickness, like throwing up. Other than that, it just comes down to some people being able to deal with being out of their minds more than others. Sometimes the high doses are apparently more fun or worthwhile. Some people can managing ingesting these high doses through tea/ lemon, beer, xanax pill mixtures that make everything all right, if not comfortable 100% of the time. The trouble w/ shrooms vs LSD is that LSD last so much longer that you can eventually paint or write or something , but by then end of a proper shroom trip, it's hard to muster the strength. Oh, and YES, the shrooms ingested to test this theory were allegedly of very high quality! Of course, I wouldn't know...

Edit; my apologies, I'm not eve sure if I'm really on topic here.


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