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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7689312 - 11/28/07 06:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It would be different to say that most Jews are a certain race but to say that being a Jew is race......... :cruelworld:


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Muppet]
    #7689377 - 11/28/07 07:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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cause rumor has it that if you were born a jew - you ARE a jew (regardless if you practice or not)




Jewishness is racial/ethnic, religious, cultural and linguistic.

When you think about it, religions are just philosophies and every ethnic group has their own.

So the rules are the same for every group. Jews are just the most racist and up-front about it, to their credit.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7802082 - 12/26/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I follow Kaballist mysticism and find praying in Hebrew much more uplifting but find Zionism and the state of Israel abhorrent I was sexually mutilated at 6 days of age have olive skin and curly hair my mother claims to be methodist and my father deist so what the fuck am I


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Muppet]
    #7802101 - 12/26/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't understand the people that say they are half jewish, and half christian, because of their parents. :confused:


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7802420 - 12/26/07 11:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It is possible that there are racial differences not only in outward physical appearances but in brain makeup as well.




It's not only possible, it's true. How could our genes possibly determine the structure of our entire body except for the brain? It's ridiculous to think that our physical form is shaped by genes, but mentally we are exempt. All men are not created equal (except in the eyes of the law I guess). I have German heritage and I'm genetically predisposed towards drinking beer and to hate complaining about anything (Germans are not whiners). Just like people of Hebrew heritage might be genetically predisposed towards sending their order back when they are out to eat at a restaurant. I work at a restaurant, and that joke may be offensive to some Jewish people but really its hilarious. Fortunately, Jewish people are also predisposed towards comedy and they often have a healthy sense of humor about their heritage.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: BoneMan]
    #7802421 - 12/26/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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All men are not created equal (except in the eyes of the law I guess).




guess again...


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: BoneMan]
    #7802425 - 12/26/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've sometimes attributed my tolerance for cold weather to my Swedish ancestry, but I'm Swedish on my mom's side, and she gets cold easier than anyone in my family. Sorry, but I don't think genes determine that much about who you are.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7802432 - 12/26/07 11:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well genetics are tricky in that. its possible that she was just a carrier of the gene that makes you warm.

The gene for warmer blood would be carried in the X chromosome, and since you are a male (you are male correct?) it would make sense that your mother expressed the cold gene (it would be dominant). She would be X(cold)X(warm). combined with X(Whatever)Y.

that would make you X(warm)Y. Making you express the recessive warm-blooded trait.

Since your mother passed on the recessive warm-blooded trait, and your dad gave you the Y chromosome without any blood temperature gene, you have warm blood!

yay genetics!

not to mention that there have been many, many trials done with twins separated at birth with very very similar idiosyncrasies, like how they hold their mugs, how they talk, and many other similarities.

I'm pretty sure a lot of the findings had to do with the brain as well.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7802448 - 12/26/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I've sometimes attributed my tolerance for cold weather to my Swedish ancestry, but I'm Swedish on my mom's side, and she gets cold easier than anyone in my family. Sorry, but I don't think genes determine that much about who you are.




I've noticed that women get cold really easily. I can wear a t-shirt out in the winter and it barely bothers me.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7802451 - 12/26/07 11:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

hmmm... there goes my cold-blood gene theory...

women go get cold easily. My girlfriend can barely be outside in the winter for 5 minutes without getting hypothermia.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7802458 - 12/26/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thats what I'm talking about. Modern genetic research shows that genes are responsible for a LOT more than we had ever imagined. Of course, we are products of our environments, but regarding the old question of nature vs. nurture things are leaning pretty damn far to the nature side.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: BoneMan]
    #7802463 - 12/26/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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It is possible that there are racial differences not only in outward physical appearances but in brain makeup as well. 




It's not only possible, it's true.  How could our genes possibly determine the structure of our entire body except for the brain?




I would love to see a study that examined the brain makeups of the different races.  But, something like that is super non-politically correct and would never happen. 

I'm not afraid to admit that Oriental people score higher on tests often that people of my race (caucasion).  Maybe the average Oriental person has a higher IQ than the average white person and maybe genetics has played a part in this.  :shrug:


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: BoneMan]
    #7802472 - 12/26/07 11:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You ever see that study on identical twins who were seperated at birth and raised in completely different environments? Yet, they often ended up getting in the same careers, dressing the same, have similar hobbies, and marrying similar spouses. Weird.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7802477 - 12/26/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

not to continue any racial stereootypes or anything, but I believe pretty well that different races have different genetic make-up, not only in the skin tone/appearance, but in the brain.

It just doesn't make sense to me that genetics would limit itself to physical appearance. The brain is so complex, there is no way that genes can simply wing it. As they can't with the physical appearance.

Genes can be responsibly for artistic talent, for brains, and for physical appearance. Whether different races have better genes for different things is still debated, though a test would never be allowed.

If a test were to show that all japanese people had a gene that gave them an edge at math, the world would flip. There simply isn't anyone ballsy enough to go through with it, that still wants to be an accepted member of society.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7802478 - 12/26/07 11:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Jew is an ethno-religion. end of conversation.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7802489 - 12/26/07 11:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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There simply isn't anyone ballsy enough to go through with it, that still wants to be an accepted member of society.




Exactly. University academia has become so infested with Leftism and political correctness that these topics and any research associated with them would be taboo and vilified.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7802496 - 12/26/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You ever see that study on identical twins who were seperated at birth and raised in completely different environments? Yet, they often ended up getting in the same careers, dressing the same, have similar hobbies, and marrying similar spouses. Weird.



I have two uncles who are identical twins. One of them married a Japanese woman, gets up at 4am to work out, and runs a construction business. The other married a blonde-haired white woman, went to prison for a year for meth, and got fat after getting clean, though he also works in construction.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7802507 - 12/26/07 11:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That could be attributed to nurture as well. Lots of people tend to want to be different then their sibling. They want identity.

Maybe the construction was just part of their genes. :shrug: We really don't know.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: BoneMan]
    #7802513 - 12/26/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Thats what I'm talking about. Modern genetic research shows that genes are responsible for a LOT more than we had ever imagined. Of course, we are products of our environments, but regarding the old question of nature vs. nurture things are leaning pretty damn far to the nature side.



I don't really think the jury's quite in on how much nature affects us versus nurture. Biologists tend to have a bias of genetic determinism because genes are what they study, and when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The ones studying the nurture side are psychologists and sociologists. But since these fields are social sciences rather than "hard" sciences, people have a bias against them.


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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7802516 - 12/26/07 11:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The ones studying the nurture side are psychologists and sociologists. 




Wait...there are people out there who have sociology degrees and who are employed?  :smirk:


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