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Jew: religion or race?
#7686263 - 11/27/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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cause rumor has it that if you were born a jew - you ARE a jew (regardless if you practice or not)
and that if you're married into it - you're *sorta* a jew...but not really
and that you can practice judism without actually being a jew
and that you can be a jew without practicing it
and that one of your parents isa jew / and the other isn't - then yera half breed
and if neither are / but both practice - then yera wanna-be
and if you've ever fantasized about a jewish woman - then yer just a dumb twat
nah...but seriously though:
blood line seems to be a real big thing for these people...and they tend to get all 'weird' over who their children marry, and whether or not they're keeping their heritage pure (or some crap)
and I don't understand any of it
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Muppet]
#7686275 - 11/27/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's both, even if your a non-practicing Jew you still deserve to die in the same ways a practicing one does.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Muppet]
#7686281 - 11/27/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Race" isn't the right word. "Ethnicity" is more like it.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Muppet]
#7686303 - 11/27/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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My cousin and I got into a huge debate about this I was saying it was both, he was saying it was strictly a religion but I can usually tell just by looking at someone if they're Jewish so I say it's both.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Silversoul]
#7686355 - 11/27/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: "Race" isn't the right word. "Ethnicity" is more like it.
Race and Ethnicity are the same thing, pretty much. It's more like a culture. You can be of a Jewish cultural background and not necessarily practice Judaism.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Muppet]
#7686421 - 11/27/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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People just say it's both to try and get people to be more sensitive about antisemitism, but the truth is being a jew is a CHOICE, race is not simple as that.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Robo]
#7686445 - 11/27/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Adagio said:
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Silversoul said: "Race" isn't the right word. "Ethnicity" is more like it.
Race and Ethnicity are the same thing, pretty much.
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Wikipedia said: An ethnic group or ethnicity is a population of human beings whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry. Ethnicity is also defined from the recognition by others as a distinct group and by common cultural, linguistic, religious, behavioural or biological traits.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Muppet]
#7686475 - 11/27/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well reason bloodline between Jews is so strong and why people link the two is probably the same when it comes to black people, the many years of oppression I'm sure has a lot to do with it. This is not meant for people to start posting stupid racist shit either, but I'm sure it will come.
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Robo
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If it were OTD maybe
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Muppet]
#7686491 - 11/27/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think its both.
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Judaism is by far the largest tribal religion in the world. Being a tribal religion, it's mainly practiced by members of the ethnicity.
It's confusing because Jew can refer to a member of the race or a practicer of Judaism. I do know of several people born racially Jewish who have refused to have a Bar Mitzvah or practice Judaism despite VERY strong pressure from the family.
My favorite thing about Judaism is that they have zero interest in converting you if you aren't racially Jewish!
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Mustelid]
#7686521 - 11/27/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mustelid said: Judaism is by far the largest tribal religion in the world. Being a tribal religion, it's mainly practiced by members of the ethnicity.
It's confusing because Jew can refer to a member of the race or a practicer of Judaism. I do know of several people born racially Jewish who have refused to have a Bar Mitzvah or practice Judaism despite VERY strong pressure from the family.
My favorite thing about Judaism is that they have zero interest in converting you if you aren't racially Jewish!
thats because they have a GREAT respect for each other and their religion, it's not like Christianity were you turn on your TV and it's commercialism at it's best with some televangelist screaming and shaking about the devil, while people throw money at them.
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Both. I'm half jewish and half slavic. One side of the family has a completely different complection, darker hair, men have more hair, more features from the middle east. One side Christians and others Jews in terms of religion.
But I ain't religious... at all. But if I do convert in the future it will be Judaism.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Robo]
#7686603 - 11/27/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Race is not real. There are no "white people" and "black people." There are various ethnicities, which refer to where a person or their culture comes from, not the color of their skin.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: mecreateme]
#7686618 - 11/27/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah there are white people and black people.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: mecreateme]
#7686619 - 11/27/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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mecreateme said: Race is not real. There are no "white people" and "black people."
That's what I was taught in school, but since then I've learned that the latest discoveries in biology suggest that there are three biological races(Causasian, African, and East Asian), with variations within each one, and mixing between these races.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Silversoul]
#7686768 - 11/27/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I call bullshit on that one too. The various physical differences between the races are noticeable enough to warrant calling each individual race a different "breed" much like dogs are all of the same species but have different breeds.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Silversoul]
#7687135 - 11/27/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is actually in debate among people, because there are so many of them with so many different ideas. Ultimately it is a matter of opinion.
There are many viewpoints, especially from geneticists today, that the term 'race' has no real meaning.
Now there are many people out there that would say,"tell that to the racist's." That is exactly the point I am trying to make. That racism is a seriously wrong belief and the idea of race is considered real by looking at things too simply.
There is skin color and ethnicity, and they are two different things. Race seems to try to boil down those ideas into one.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: Wolfgang]
#7687171 - 11/27/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wolfgang said: My cousin and I got into a huge debate about this I was saying it was both, he was saying it was strictly a religion but I can usually tell just by looking at someone if they're Jewish so I say it's both.
I bet if you went to the Middle East you couldn't tell Jews from Muslims.
It's a religion. End of story.
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Re: Jew: religion or race? [Re: mecreateme]
#7687187 - 11/27/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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mecreateme said: That racism is a seriously wrong belief and the idea of race is considered real by looking at things too simply.
There is skin color and ethnicity, and they are two different things. Race seems to try to boil down those ideas into one.
Political Correctness has made it such that recognizing differences between the races is not socially acceptable. There is no scientific validity to this muzzling of free speech. It is a society-wide ideological shift.
It is possible that there are racial differences not only in outward physical appearances but in brain makeup as well. For example, Asians often score higher on standardized tests than whites do. As a white male I'm willing to admit that it is possible that Asians are on average more intelligent than white people. I don't scream "RACISM!" and stomp my feet at such an assertion (as you know black people would if such an assertion was made).
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