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How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school?
#7685379 - 11/27/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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My little brother is driving my dad into a deep depression. He just flat out won't go to school. My dad does NOTHING to stop him. He feels guilty because we lost our mom a few years ago and she was pretty much the bad cop, so he's powerless. He sits in his room all day afraid t o leave the house and my brother takes full advantage. My dad gives him money which he spends all on pot. He lends him his car all the time (which he ended up wrecking the front and doesn't have to pay shit for it).
I keep calling him out on it, trying to coach HIM in parenting but he's really depressed and nonchalant. I told my dad that if my brother isn't going to go to school then he should not be able to be in the house during school hours. I told him to break down his door, grab him by the collar, and throw him out (it's what my mom would've done ). My dad thinks he stays home because he's depressed too but I think my bro's just a lazy piece of shit.
I hate to say it but I don't think I'll be in contact with my brother when I finally move away for good. He'll always be family but he's just somebody I don't want to know..
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7685386 - 11/27/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow, excellent parenting skills.
He's doing more harm to your brother than good, tell him it's his fault and to stop giving him money and shit.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7685404 - 11/27/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you could bring law enforcement in on this
i know here that legally, a minor has to be in highschool unless they work full time or whatever
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7685411 - 11/27/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I remember my brother literally going nuts over school work, it'd throw the entire house into a stressed out frenzy, and this went on for years. Sometimes all you can do is give the kid the school's best resources for a learning program and tough it out. Maybe you guys should bring the issue up with the school and work out a plan that suits the kid's needs better, or isn't as intimidating, or try to root out what is causing the problems for this kid, and why he's acting the way he is.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7685412 - 11/27/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if he doesnt go to school he should be working. not just be given a free ride. difficult to do something about it though and create a change
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7685437 - 11/27/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I completely agree. It hurt but I even told him that. I've raised my voice to my dad pleading for him to do something but his reasoning is, "Who am I to tell him what to do when I can't even get ahold of my own depression??"
"Because you're his fucking PARENT!! You have unconditional authority over him!"
I've thought about involving other authority but 1.) I very much dislike police. 2.) I don't know how vindictive my brother really is.
My dad has a psych appointment today, I'm hoping the doctor smacks some parenting skills back into him. Or at least some Xanax.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7685446 - 11/27/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why don't you guys talk with the school and work out a plan, have you tried that, or is the kid totally unwilling to even cooperate with that?
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7685448 - 11/27/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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NewbieShroomie said: I completely agree. It hurt but I even told him that. I've raised my voice to my dad pleading for him to do something but his reasoning is, "Who am I to tell him what to do when I can't even get ahold of my own depression??"
"Because you're his fucking PARENT!! You have unconditional authority over him!"
I've thought about involving other authority but 1.) I very much dislike police. 2.) I don't know how vindictive my brother really is.
My dad has a psych appointment today, I'm hoping the doctor smacks some parenting skills back into him. Or at least some Xanax.
well, it wouldn't be police, necessarily, but a state worker (who may have been a cop previously or works with cops)
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7685451 - 11/27/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe try some scare tactics or something? do you have any friends turned junkie that you could use to scare him? like some people in really, really bad shape.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7685458 - 11/27/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah the school went over computer at home schooling with him and all that but the ball doesn't seem to be rolling on anything. I don't know how many sick days he has left before they expel him but I have a feeling that's what he WANTS. He has that "thug life" fuck-it mentality about everything.
I'll look more into that social worker you speak of, if you have a link that'd be great! Right now though I'm off to the gym. Maybe I'll think of some brilliant plan to fix this family during my workout.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7685464 - 11/27/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe its just me but wouldn't xanax make your dad even more apathetic towards the situation?
If I was you I'd take the matters into my own hands and smack him around alittle bit. Tell him you refuse to let him take advantage of your father like that, and do something about it yourself. I've had to smack my little brother around alittle because he was very disrespectful to my parents/grandparents and they did nothing about it. I'm not saying beat the shit out of him, theres many ways to intimidate a kid into behaving less like an asshole bum.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: RipVanWinkle]
#7685479 - 11/27/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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on his 18th bday enlist him in the army without his knowledge. let them beat it out of him.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#7685482 - 11/27/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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What a pain in the ass, I really hope I never have a kid like that. Best of luck, budskee.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7685507 - 11/27/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really hope I never have a kid period 
Or at this point in my life I never want one...
Most kids irritate me. Most kids I've met are brats.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7685577 - 11/27/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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To answer your question, Quote:
How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school?
You can't. Unfortunately, it's as simple as that. I don't know about where you live, but in Massachusetts, if you're 16 (I believe with parental consent), you don't have to go to school. No work, nothing -- you just drop out.
The only way you can get your brother back to school is by motivating him to not be a drop out. Make him realize that if he doesn't go this year, he's just going to have to make it up next year, or get his GED. What does he want to do after school? Work at McDonalds? Because it's pretty hard to find a job at all if you don't at least have your GED. Even if you do have your diploma or your GED, it is still pretty difficult to find a decent-waged job.
Tell him these things if you haven't already. Let him know what you think about his actions -- tell him he's lazy and just doing this to look cool/for attention. If he doesn't change, you can at least say you tried. It's his life, and you can try to guide him, but he's going to make his own decisions for better or worse.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: RipVanWinkle]
#7685578 - 11/27/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
RipVanWinkle said: I really hope I never have a kid period 
Or at this point in my life I never want one...
Most kids irritate me. Most kids I've met are brats.

Take him to a homeless/jail and say this how your going to end up.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#7685733 - 11/27/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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tiny_rabid_birds said: on his 18th bday enlist him in the army without his knowledge. let them beat it out of him.
or maybe send him to a military school. Let them brain wash him into a decent citizen.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7685751 - 11/27/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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take a dump on his pillow.
and tell him that's how he'll end up...
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
#7685808 - 11/27/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i hear ya i was in his shoes not 2 years ago id talk to him explain what he and your dad i takes to to tango, always
tell after high school his life is his to fuck up but belive me you can do alot without collage
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7685809 - 11/27/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Remind him that his High School has more drugs than the local pharmacy.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7685912 - 11/27/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sometimes people just need to learn the hard way. Maybe somewhere down the road he'll realize what a mess his life has become and figure out that he needs to get his ass in gear. It'll be tough to watch him go through it, but I've known several people who went through a dark time in their life and came out of it a better person.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7685944 - 11/27/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hated high school. Just hated it. I liked seeing all my friends each day, and going to high schooler partys, but sitting in a classroom drove me nuts. Being a complete stoner didnt help the situation any, I just wanted to go home and smoke my bong.. and play music with my band.
I started missing a lot of school days because I would go travel a bit and take short tours, only to come back to high school thinking what a bore it was. Id sit in class knowing "damn, the grateful dead are playing in philly tonight and Im sitting here wasting my time missing it". A lot of my friends dropped out to do it, and I wanted to also. About a month before graduation I sat down with my parents and told them I was going to drop out and go on tour instead. They talked me out of it, thankfully, and I managed to graduated some-how, and then toured the world searching for the sound.. which was always fun.
When I went to college I actually enjoyed it, I got to pick my own classes and liked not having so many strict rules like high school had. I had straight A's in college as opposed to C's in highschool. Alot of times in highschool, when taking tests were you have to mark A, B, C, D, or E, Id just go through it and mark it all down without even reading any of the questions. I did that with SAT's and other exams like that too, I just didnt give a fuck.
Anyways, I wouldn't give that brother of yours anymoney. He will just spend it on herb and make him lazier... I'm surprised the school hasnt called your father about this. I knew a mom who didnt care at the time if her kids went to school and let them stay home instead, they were younger like in middle-school, but i think she actually got arrested for it. Things are probably different in highschool tho..
I dunno man, sounds like he is just lazy from smoking too much dope, with a typical 17 year olds attitude about school. I would spend a lot of time with him talking to him about the importance of education and hard work. Maybe drag him in to see a guidence counsler to set him straight. Too bad your moms not around, sounds like she would have a better handle on the situation than the two of you do.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: notapillow]
#7685979 - 11/27/07 01:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I talked to him before, pleaded with him to do AT LEAST high school. My round of friends were over one time and they sat him down and tried their hand at it, to no avail. All he has to do is show up! I mean in my Senior Year I had maybe 2 really hard classes but the rest of the teachers know we all had senioritis and didn't make the load too heavy.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7686043 - 11/27/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I threatened to call social services on him after calmly asking him to please cooperate with my dad and to stop doing this to him, his response was, "See what happens. I've never fought you before but I won't hesitate."
I told him, "I'm not trying to be an asshole man, I just want to see you finish high school."
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7686062 - 11/27/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if a 17 year old wants to drop out of high school then you should send him to military school. teach that fucker some respect.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7686103 - 11/27/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
NewbieShroomie said: "I've never fought you before but I won't hesitate."
He's a lost cause. He obviously is headed for trouble, don't get caught up in it with him.
Move on... you tried. 
If you still want to help, take him around the town and talk to the homeless bums... Eventually, that's where he will be. Maybe something will click.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#7686119 - 11/27/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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kick his ass. That is the only hope.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#7686121 - 11/27/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
RoosterCogburn said:
Quote:
NewbieShroomie said: "I've never fought you before but I won't hesitate."
He's a lost cause. He obviously is headed for trouble, don't get caught up in it with him.
Move on... you tried. 
If you still want to help, take him around the town and talk to the homeless bums... Eventually, that's where he will be. Maybe something will click.
With any luck, he might get his GED in prison.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Silversoul]
#7686176 - 11/27/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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NewbieShroom Im in the exact same boat as you. The only difference is my faggot ass 17 year old brother shoves and punches my 60 year old dad when he doesnt get his way. Actualy this went down just last night because that little fuck didn't get his own way. Like you were saying I guarantee I will not talk to him again when I move out of here, I just fucking hate his guts. My parents give him everything and he throws it back in their face. Its sad to say but If he died today I wouldn't even flinch I hate him so much. Don't let it get to you like I did because you'll end up doing something you regret.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7686240 - 11/27/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah for real man... If he doesn't finish high school he'll never amount to anything.
Here's a plus... If he's the loser, then you'll always look better by comparison. Your dad should tell him, "Why aren't you more like your brother?"
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Cowgold]
#7686309 - 11/27/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well its safe to say that people who don't graduate from high school are generally less likely to be successful in any sense. I think he just needs a good beating and you're the one who is going to administer it, NewbieShroomie. Its for his own good. That or just kick him out on the street, he will come crawling back to high school.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: robbyberto]
#7686332 - 11/27/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dropped out of high school when I was 17.
I know go to college, drive a bmw, and have a full time job.
I don't think everyone is as good at life as I am though.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7686361 - 11/27/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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NewbieShroomie said: , his response was, "See what happens. I've never fought you before but I won't hesitate."
thats part of them problem there, you can't let him think he's bigger and tougher then you guys, if my little brother ever said that to me (especially when i was trying to help him) i would whoop his ass. You have to put him in his place, let him know that he has to listen to his older brother and father. Dont kill the kid, just teach him a lesson, sometimes that's the only thing that will work, especially if they think there tough, you have to show him who's in control
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: blunt master]
#7686380 - 11/27/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not looking for him to have a reason to call the police on me, because after I threatened him today with school he most likely would. I really don't know what he's capable of, and personally I don't trust him. I don't think he's mentally stable, I mean he's not insane or anything but his thought process doesn't seem healthy at all.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7686403 - 11/27/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you should respect his choice, but its also good to make your own living. good luck
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7686418 - 11/27/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your best bet is to come off as a big brother rather than his parent. Let him screw up, you've said what you need to. He'll come around alot quicker if you don't force feed him.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Cowgold]
#7686790 - 11/27/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is a sticky situation. Loser kid, permissive parents, etc..
I notice that loser kids with tough parents eventually get their acts together because they have to. Loser kids with permissive parents STAY losers though because they get to live at home for free, mooch, and be a parasite with no consequences.
Your dad needs to get tough. Kick his ass out the second he turns 18.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7686917 - 11/27/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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17 is too late, imo. you cant change a 17 year old, you just have to let them fuckup and fix themselves. i wouldnt give him one penny ever again, though. here is what he is going to do. he is going to loaf, hang out with friends, maybe get a part time job at a garden center or something similar. over the course of the next few years, he is going to pawn everything he has of value, then he will start hitting up you and the old man again. that is the time to be strong... after he has nothing and is begging for money. then you can help him with basic things like shelter and food (never any cash) as long as he maintains a job and is on course to get his GED and own place to live.
or none of that shit will happen and i am a bit too intoxicated.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: automan]
#7686953 - 11/27/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No that's solid advice, I'm just trying to be a brother and steer him in the right direction. I don't even like the kid, not at all, but I still would like to see him graduate high school. It's just the right thing to do.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7686959 - 11/27/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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give him lots of acid and strap him down and make him watch dirty jobs WITH Mike Rowe. Then he will pretty much have to go to high school
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7687091 - 11/27/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You don't, maybe one day he'll get his GED at least, thats pretty much the same now a day, at least around here it is, high school is bullshit anyway, it's just the principal of the matter. I don't understand why people would quit that late on so many people quit their senior year which is stupid unless you got some good reason, may as well finish what you started by that point.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7687110 - 11/27/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I told my dad about the talk I had with my brother and he completely supports it. He actually gave me a hug for the first time in 3 years, so it felt a little weird.. My dad says he's not going to give him anymore money, and take away the car except for when he has to work, but we'll see just how much he sticks to it.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7687138 - 11/27/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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why cant he take the bus? if he wants to live like a retard, take his car too. let him fight for everything. if a bus is out fo the question, drop him off and pick him up an hour or so late every day. he has no 'needs'... why would he think he needs to do the right thing?
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Tangerines]
#7687463 - 11/27/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tangerines said: give him lots of acid and strap him down and make him watch dirty jobs WITH Mike Rowe. Then he will pretty much have to go to high school
perfect, or he will come to a realization that he likes one of those jobs cus he has a scat fetish
post scat here plz!!
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: pong]
#7687472 - 11/27/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Punishing a 17 year old like that who obviously doesn't have the maturity to even realize the value of school wouldn't work in my book. I'd first at least try telling him to use his "Tupac mentality" to his advantage.
Tell him your life WILL be harder when you drop out because you are automatically at a disadvantage for a job. Tell him he can just barely get by high school, it's only another year or whatever, and then he can play the system and use his stupid highschool diploma to his advantage.
I would think it'd be worth a try to think on his level, in a sort of way
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7687522 - 11/27/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That was my first angle lol. I guess he either doesn't believe me/ doesn't care. You should see his myspace page. Gang signs, pics of him smoking, posing with smoke around him.. here's a few:




I think it's too late too, but I'd still like to try
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7687546 - 11/27/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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NewbieShroomie said: That was my first angle lol. I guess he either doesn't believe me/ doesn't care. You should see his myspace page. Gang signs, pics of him smoking, posing with smoke around him.. here's a few:




I think it's too late too, but I'd still like to try
Please tell me you do not live in white suburbia. Cause I already know your brother if you do. The typical HS gangsta with the "I dun giv a fuk" attitude. 
He looks like a punk ass bitch. G-UNIT??? come on
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7687547 - 11/27/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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heh... good luck with that
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Tangerines]
#7687565 - 11/27/07 06:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please tell me you do not live in white suburbia. Cause I already know your brother if you do. The typical HS gangsta with the "I dun giv a fuk" attitude. 
He looks like a punk ass bitch. G-UNIT??? come on
Yeah... you hit the nail on the head. I do live in suburbia hell, and he thinks he's straight outta compton.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7687570 - 11/27/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bring him the the inner city ghetto and see if he can survive. He would get mugged in no time.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7687572 - 11/27/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I shoulda just posted a picture FIRST then everyone would immediately know what I'm dealing with.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7687583 - 11/27/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea the pic was key man.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Tangerines]
#7687702 - 11/27/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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dude he needs a beating to bust his egotistical ass.
all wiggers in my experience straighten out a whole bunch with a beating.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7687941 - 11/27/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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LOL.
He's gonna be cleaning my shoes soon. We can't have everyone make 100k a year. He will take his rightful place soon on the food chain.
Keep your brother in the situation he is in now, because i sure don't want to clean my shoes myself waiting for the train.
On a more serious note.
I don't think anything is going to help. There is no will in him, from what it sounds like. Taking away his resources is all you can do.
You can not help someone who does not want help. Maybe you should talk about the stuff he wears. Like the G-Unit clothes he purchases. Talk to him about real money. Making large sums of it. Like the rappers he listens to.
He may say they didn't have anything and made it big, but thats not really true. They needed to meet someone who had the resources and the know how in the business world to exploit and create the rappers empire.
With a High School Diploma (pretty much worthless, since a bachelors degree is basically pretty much worthless now to) he can at least have a greater opportunity to make the "big" money.
You have to sell him on the idea of options. Remember, options are always more valuable than not having one. Tell him without a High School Diploma or equivalent he doesnt have any options. Maybe look up some Data and see if the rappers have GEDs or gone back to get it. Who knows.
I pretty much just rambled on and on and reiterated what everyone has said.... whatever.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: demiu5]
#7688571 - 11/27/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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demius said: you could bring law enforcement in on this
i know here that legally, a minor has to be in highschool unless they work full time or whatever
why in the fuck would you want them involved?
that'll just drive a wedge further in
plus pigs have real crims to worry about
if the kid dont want to go to school noones going to force him and he'l just have to learn life the hard way
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: alphabeatu]
#7688667 - 11/27/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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screw the police idea.
pictures: your brother is a wigger in the worst sense lol that really sucks man...
...im kinda clueless on how to help you now that ive seen how stupid he looks...
Thank god my brother is cool.
If my brother was like yours, Id tear into that kids head so hardcore about how much of a dumbass he is, his appearance, his attitude.. Id fuck with that kids head constantly.
Id drive him into the meanest fucking ghetto on the southside of chicago and kick him out of the car and then hed learn quick that 1) he is not black 2) he is not tough 3) he is not streetsmart 4) he is a dumbass
I dunno, Id be embarrassed. my brother and I always were cool with eachother, and i never had to de-wiggerize a person in my familiy before...
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7689165 - 11/28/07 03:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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My little brother is driving my dad into a deep depression. He just flat out won't go to school. My dad does NOTHING to stop him. He feels guilty because we lost our mom a few years ago and she was pretty much the bad cop, so he's powerless. He sits in his room all day afraid t o leave the house and my brother takes full advantage. My dad gives him money which he spends all on pot. He lends him his car all the time (which he ended up wrecking the front and doesn't have to pay lalala for it).
I keep calling him out on it, trying to coach HIM in parenting but he's really depressed and nonchalant. I told my dad that if my brother isn't going to go to school then he should not be able to be in the house during school hours. I told him to break down his door, grab him by the collar, and throw him out (it's what my mom would've done ). My dad thinks he stays home because he's depressed too but I think my bro's just a lazy piece of lalala.
I hate to say it but I don't think I'll be in contact with my brother when I finally move away for good. He'll always be family but he's just somebody I don't want to know.. 
As someone who's gone through the horrors of persecution of drugs by my parents and later, the government and also for missing out on school because I was going through some deep stuff trying to find out who I was and what the meaning of life is and having the corruption and evil in this world just hit you like a ton of bricks. And all the heartlessness in the world. And you don't know exactly how it feels to be him. I'm not there, but it's entirely possible for him to be depresessed. A lot of people in this world are depressed.
But what you should definitely NOT do is go judging your brother, trying to act like a second dad, and trying to exert control over . Let your dad do his job. Try to be a little bit more understanding and slow to come to conlcusions. Your mom died you said. That's definitely something to be depressed about. Maybe your brother is a slacker and he's being irresponsible. But still, do not go getting the government authorities involved in this. That is a very bad mistake. It can very easily put your brother even farther away and incite him to anger.
Just try to talk to him, and reason with him. You're not his dad and you don't have the right to go judging him or acting like his second dad. Most people wouldn't want themselves treated like that I would think.
Please, just leave the kid alone, but make him aware of his responsibilies and support him to do what's good and speak up when he does something stupid. You don't have the right to judge him. That's not your job.
Once you get the authorities involved, it can be difficult to get them out of your life. He can go spiraling downwards in a nightmarish circle of confusion and anger at the madness of this world and seeking relief and then being condemned and then seeking relief from being condemned and being condemned for seeking relief from being condemned and on and on it goes and they continue to shut you inside a little box of their human design and disregard you and your needs, as you face a world of shallowness.
Smoke some weed with him and talk to him about it. In a loving and understanding way.
I'm not saying your brother is not wrong, but there is a better way to handle the situation and he may have legitimate feelings and frustrations etc.
Edited by jonathan_206 (11/28/07 03:56 AM)
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7689174 - 11/28/07 03:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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also.. don't worry about your brother finishing high school too much. He can study and get his g.e.d. There are things much more important than school or work.. if you havn't learned that thats something you have to learn.It's one of the most important lessons in life.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7689200 - 11/28/07 04:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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NS _ I think the key word here is "Force" - you cannot force someone to change -you can only show them a better way - and then walk away. From reading your initial post - it seems this sibling is causing a rift in the family - (between you and him, your dad and him and you and your dad) I think it might be better in the long run if you focus on getting your dad better and back off your brother.
It has been my experience with younger siblings that they sometimes act out - almost forcing the family to "prove its love" by acting crazy, and seeing who will come to resuce said sibling - It is better to love but not coddle - I am a big believer in tough love and letting the child find thier own path.
A powerful statement to use on the sibling in question is :"Its ok if you dont want to finish school. There is always a job moping floors or filling up gas tanks. You will never have to worry, you'll probably have 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet! You'll be fine" (nothing like a little reverse psychology)
Most times young adults don't know the deep ramifications not being educated will have later on in life. Anytime you try to force a person to do something, it is a natural instinct to try and go the other way. Lay off - see if he comes back.
BTW _ did a traumatic event happen within the last year? Lots of time a younger sibling will act out after a tramatic event as a sign they are not healed yet.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Oracle Of Delphi]
#7689222 - 11/28/07 05:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I read the thread title and went LOL trick question?
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Cowgold]
#7689241 - 11/28/07 05:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Like most people you cannot force them to do anything.. You can scare them into believing that without High School you will be a failure but there are numerous people who have succeeded without. Best idea for anyone I could personally give to someone is to show him that the odds of an American succeeding the without a diploma or GED are quite slim, although he could always join the AIRFORCE.... AIM HIGH!?!? what....
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: wasting_space]
#7689306 - 11/28/07 06:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your his older brother eh? Do what is necessary of you. Kick his ass left and right relentlessly, sadly you will have to become the alpha male now.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Irdamage]
#7689912 - 11/28/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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alpha male? what is this nonsense.. I'm so glad some of you aren't my relatives. I think if my older brother ever came down on me like that, I would not trust him. It would ruin our relationship. I would probably also feel like hurting him. I think if that's a brothers attitude whether older or younger he's the one who needs to be quiet and learn his place.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Irdamage]
#7689915 - 11/28/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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hahaha he could also become a crack cocaine dealer and get very rich. beat him every day so you can get 50 % of the profits. 
this thread is out of hand. seriously the kid needs a reality check. does he seriously believe that HS will not help him in the future?
there is no excuse IMO to not finish high school its so easy and very worth it.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: pong]
#7689924 - 11/28/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well he went to school today...
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7690050 - 11/28/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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G-Unit!
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7690055 - 11/28/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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when screamed, the proper way is "G-G-G-G-G-G-G-unit!!!!"
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: Newbie]
#7690437 - 11/28/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I bet if he shaved his trashstash he would instantly turn into a law abiding contributing member of society.
Shave it in his sleep. That'll show him! WOO YA ANARCHY IN THE UK!
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: RipVanWinkle]
#7690996 - 11/28/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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kick his ass out and make him support himself. he's addicted to his own procrastination, i was like that when i was 17 and now i'm an A student in college, the last two semesters i got a 4.0. but for two semesters before that, i had dropped out of school in the middle of the year, told my parents to FUCK THEMSELVES, and moved out of the house and in with my boyfriend. I had a job as a burrito slave.
needless to say i realized that i hated the bottom of the working world, i never had time for my friends, i was depressed and isolated and lonely and i was too tired to even smoke pot.
by the end of the year i went back to school, and my parents gave me money so i wouldn't work.
if you kick your brother out he might follow the same pattern and go to school for money and free time purposes.
or he will start selling drugs, not see you for a few years, make a bunch of money that he will waste on strippers and booze, and then get busted, which will either crush him or force him to shape up.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: kriminalelement]
#7692274 - 11/28/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's incredible how many people here are making such quick judgements and conclusions about someone they don't even know. Still, even if he was some low life how does that make it his brothers business?
You just don't recognize you're messing with a human life. Taken seriously, this type of judgement is totally out of line.
People need to be slow to speak, and do not judge lest ye be judged. And that applies to me too. This really ticks me off. This reminds me of the sme sort of harrasment I got from my family, when I really needed someone that was willing to listen and help me and be sensetive to my needs. It pushes people further away, and I would understand if someone wanted to beat his older brother up for calling the cops. Not that I would do that myself or condone it.
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he's addicted to his own procrastination,
How do you know?
What's outrageous is how everyone speaks as if being an older brother gives him the right to judge his brother and threaten him.
do not judge lest ye be judged.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7692652 - 11/28/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i've asked this same question so many times. but for me its my younger sister. lost her mind. droppped out her sr year of high school after being ecpelled time after time. wont get a job, steals [from family] lies, gets into some really dangerous shit.. like you going to jail type of shit, and my mom is going crazy. she worries so much. my sister lies in bed til 4pm takes a shower goes out and comes back 3 days later at 6am and does it all over again. its too much.
so i guess i'm saying hang in there, and there is always something else you can try. i would have kicked her ass out a long time ago, but i know my moms.
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Re: How do you force a 17 yr old to finish high school? [Re: juende]
#7694141 - 11/29/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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does your sister have a trash-stache too?
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