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BrAiN
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: BrAiN]
#7686662 - 11/27/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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When you're poor and lazy... who gives a fuck . WHy not start a bunch of riots? You've got nothing to lose.
If you ask me... if rioters start using molotov coctails, you should be allowed to SHOOT them with REAL BULLETS. It's one thing to smash windows and loot
But once you start burning things you're putting innocent people's lives at risk. THrowing a molotiv coctail at cars or buildings, if you ask me, should be treated the same as ATTEMPTED murder. You don't know who's in those cars or buildings.. and if there are people.. you're likely to kill them.
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: BrAiN]
#7686668 - 11/27/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Police said the teens drove through a red light without wearing helmets and on an unregistered bike.
But Omar Sehhouli, the brother of one of the victims, told French media the police involved should be arrested. "Everyone knew the two boys here," he told French radio. "What happened, that's not violence, it's rage." advertisement
According to the initial findings from the French police watchdog, reported Tuesday in the daily newspaper, Le Figaro, the boy's motorbike was driving "at very high speed" and had failed to give priority to the police patrol vehicle.
The police car was driving normally at around 40 kilometers an hour, the newspaper reported the watchdog had found.
Darwin award.
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: zappaisgod]
#7686687 - 11/27/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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here here
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: BrAiN]
#7689610 - 11/28/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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PARIS (AFP) - - French President Nicolas Sarkozy vowed Wednesday that rioters who shot at police during two days of Paris suburban unrest would be severely punished, as police struggled to contain the violence.
Back from a state visit to China, Sarkozy visited a police chief seriously injured in the country's worst troubles since nationwide riots in restive suburbs in 2005, before heading into emergency talks with his ministers.
"Opening fire at officials is completely unacceptable," Sarkozy warned, accusing the rioters of "attempted murder" and promising that "those who take it into their hands to shoot at officials will find themselves in court."
At least 120 police have been injured since violence broke out Sunday in the north Paris suburb of Villiers le Bel, touched off after two youths were killed in a motorbike collision with a police car.
Some 1,000 riot police clamped down Tuesday night on Villiers where they largely managed to prevent a third night of riots.
Dozens of cars and several buildings were still torched, mainly in towns around Villiers, the regional authorities said.
Youths threw petrol bombs at police in Les Mureaux northwest of Paris, where eight minors were detained for trying to set fire to a bus. In Vitry-sur-Seine south of the capital, arsonists threw a flaming chair through the window of a primary school.
The regional prefect said there were "half as many" arson attacks as Monday night, when 63 cars and five buildings went up in flames. He said "a few police officers" were injured.
In the southern city of Toulouse, about 20 cars were set on fire in the southern city of Toulouse and a fire was started in a library.
Police unions say the scale and intensity of the violence unleashed since Sunday is worse than the nationwide riots of 2005 -- also sparked by the deaths of two youths.
For two nights this week, youths have hurled petrol bombs and bricks at police, torching cars and buildings. Hunting rifles have also been used against police -- dramatically upping the stakes in the face-off.
Prime Minister Francois Fillon, who spent the evening in Villiers, said the situation was "much calmer than the two previous nights."
"But we can all feel that it remains fragile and it requires a strong deterrent force on the ground to stop what happened last night from recurring."
Many Villiers residents voiced anger at the intense police deployment cordoning off their neighbourhood.
"Oi, you aliens up there!" yelled one at the surveillance helicopters circling overhead. "It's like being at war... they're just out to provoke young people."
But Interior Minister Michele Alliot-Marie told Europe 1 radio the police clampdown would be "maintained as long as necessary", suggesting local gang leaders were orchestrating the violence. She vowed "zero tolerance".
"When you fire at close range on police officers, it is obvious you intend to injure if not worse," she said.
"This is intolerable, whatever the reasons -- which are clearly just excuses for some people to settle scores or cover up their criminal activities."
Many locals accuse the police of causing the fatal accident and then fleeing the scene without helping the victims, fuelling anger in the suburbs.
Sarkozy met Wednesday morning with relatives of the victims at the Elysee palace and promised a full investigation into the deaths, according to a lawyer for the families.
The president "shares our concern for full light to be shed in the affair," said Jean-Pierre Mignard.
An initial investigation has confirmed the police version of Sunday's deaths, according to which the two teenagers -- aged 15 and 16, neither wearing a crash helmet -- were riding a motorbike that hit the police car.
Police and politicians say the French suburbs remain a "tinderbox" after the 2005 riots, which exposed France's failure to integrate its large black and Arab population.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20071126/twl-france-riots-6b0205e.html
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#7689614 - 11/28/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The_Red_Crayon said: Heres a video of the riots, seems it was started over police car crashing into the vehicle of two teenagers killing them.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=166_1196185785
"An initial investigation has confirmed the police version of Sunday's deaths, according to which the two teenagers -- aged 15 and 16, neither wearing a crash helmet -- were riding a motorbike that hit the police car."
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: lonestar2004]
#7689632 - 11/28/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Like I said.. any rioter with a gun or molotov coctail should be shot at with REAL BULLET.. not a rubber one
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: BrAiN]
#7689668 - 11/28/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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They are using weapons, this is guerrilla warfare. it is time to fire back.
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: BrAiN]
#7690975 - 11/28/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pho owns.
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: BrAiN]
#7691048 - 11/28/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Deport them all to Iran. They should love it there.
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: afoaf]
#7691049 - 11/28/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Christ. This has nothing to do with Islam, as some posters tried to imply. The Parisian Banlieues are to Islam as Compton is to Christianity. As someone who's lived in France and seen the ghettoes, I can certainly sympathize with the rioters, although clearly these riots aren't going to achieve anything. Still, the rage is justified.
People from African or Middle Eastern origin are routinely discriminated against and harassed by the police. When I'd be in an immigrant neighbourhood, I'd see the police randomly searching and stopping blacks and arabs, but as a caucasian, I was waved right along. Having an address in Saint Denis or the neighboring cities is pretty much a deal breaker for any job better than fast food. Unemployment is high and the residents of these areas have been languishing in these conditions for over 40 years. These areas are violent, ugly, poor and boring. In Paris, every neighborhood is full of cafés, stores, cinemas, theatres, etc. In the banlieue, there's pretty much just sketchy bars filled with depressing old drunks and fast food stands. The country has failed them, and they have every right to be fed up with their condition. Unfortunately, this'll just serve as a pretext for even more repression and alienation, especially with that cock-sucker Sarko in power.
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: Yossarian22]
#7691176 - 11/28/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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> The country has failed them
I won't pretend to understand France's problems, but why do you feel that the French government has failed these people? I certainly understand the anger from discrimination, but beyond that, is it not the responsibility of the people to better their own lives? Perhaps the discrimination is such that the people lack the ability to better their lives. In general, I find the act of rioting (throwing a temper tantrum like a spoiled little child) to match the mentality of those that are rioting (again, looking at everything in life like a spoiled little child). Perhaps I am being over cynical.
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: Seuss]
#7691284 - 11/28/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why rioters in France burn so many cars It vents anger -- and attracts the media
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/13/MNG0JFNGV21.DTL
No other country in Europe immolates cars with the gusto and single-minded efficiency of France. Even during tranquil periods, an average of 80 vehicles per day are set alight somewhere in the country....
Poor misunderstood, rioting, car-torching “youths”.
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: lonestar2004]
#7691342 - 11/28/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah they should definatley start shooting those people. thats what they do in the good ole usa.that will teach them to stand up and fight.
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lonestar2004
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#7691609 - 11/28/07 05:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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preschooler said: yeah they should definatley start shooting those people. thats what they do in the good ole usa.that will teach them to stand up and fight.
yup, could you imagine if Latino immigrants started rioting "in the good ole usa"
They’d be shot dead! And not just by the police, but by many Latinos who have assimilated. ....
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: Seuss]
#7692798 - 11/28/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > The country has failed them
I won't pretend to understand France's problems, but why do you feel that the French government has failed these people? I certainly understand the anger from discrimination, but beyond that, is it not the responsibility of the people to better their own lives?
Because these were former colonial subjects(who received a rough deal themselves) who were invited to France with the promise of égalité, liberté, and fraternité. Instead, they were housed in ghettos at the fringe of the cities, subjected to institutionalized racism so extreme that activists have been murdered by the police, sent to do thankless work for poor wages and no possibility for advancement. Discrimination is endemic and the French government refuses to even acknowledge the existence of racism/xenophobia; in fact, the French government doesn't even keep any statistics on race nor is there any affirmative action or any institutional response to racism. Job applicants are required to include a photo of themselves on their CV; not that that would really matter, because having a suburban zip code is usually enough to doom your application to the trash bin. The police regard every beur(second or third generation Arab citizen) with suspicion and subject them to blatantly unfair scrutiny. Bottom line is that they were sent to France for cheap labor, and received nothing but suspicion, discrimination, and subjugation in return. They are ignored if not targeted by their own government, kept silent(with a few notable exceptions) in their own country's culture, and live in a culture in which unemployment and under-employment is the norm. Blaming the poor, especially those belonging to long-repressed social groups, for their poverty is not just simplistic; it's cruel and simple-minded.
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: Yossarian22]
#7693880 - 11/29/07 07:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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man's got a point there
But I still believe people need to take responsibility for themselves. It ain't THAT hard to pick up a book, get straight A's and get into college.
If, being stuck in a poor as neighborhood and discriminated against every day, is a reason to riot and act like a dick.. my dad would have never worked his way out of the ghettos of DC as a kid, having to fight his way home almost everyday because he was one of the few white kids at his school, to grow up and become a great provider for my siblings and I.
He could have just thrown up his hands and said "FUCK IT" and given up. If he had, I woulnd't have had a father that embedded so many rules of ethics into my BrAiN and I wouldn't be here today.
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: Yossarian22]
#7694093 - 11/29/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Blaming the poor, especially those belonging to long-repressed social groups, for their poverty is not just simplistic; it's cruel and simple-minded.
I'm not placing any blame at all. As I said, I won't pretend to understand France's problems. Without a solid understanding of the problem, I would be a hypocrite to place blame. However, I have never seen the benefit of destroying ones own neighborhood in a fit of rage. It is difficult to see somebody as a victim, rather than a problem, when they are out rioting.
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: BrAiN]
#7694445 - 11/29/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: Just so you know MD is being flooded right now with african, south america, and southeast asian immigrants. The area I live in... literally think it's about 50/50 as far as first generation immigrants to americans.
Good bye crabcake... Hello Pho, Ceviche, and gerbils on a stick.
Crabcakes were getting too expensive anyways. Food of the white man. When you get immigrants opening up a bunch of restaurants it drives the cost of food down anyways. Shit... I can walk to a place next to me and get a half chicken and two sides for $6.50! It's cheaper to eat out in my neighborhood that it is to cook.
I am going to take a wild guess...You live in Silver Spring?
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Re: some ppl look for any excuse to riot [Re: gluke bastid]
#7694525 - 11/29/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn straight.
You in bmore i take it.. I'm guessing.. Charles Village? heh
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