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deadatdusk
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#7684583 - 11/27/07 04:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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TripleTree3
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: deadatdusk]
#7684589 - 11/27/07 04:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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absolutely. it kind of makes me mad sometimes but I guess that's not really my place
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EthericOctopuss
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: TripleTree3]
#7685216 - 11/27/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yep-Those who have not directly experienced the beauty have no concept of what truly occurs. Arm chair quarterbacking.
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SlashOZ
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: deadatdusk]
#7686370 - 11/27/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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it is like trying to describe colors to someone born without eyes. it just isn't possible.
to get back at them just rag on the music and movies that they like and say they only liked them cuz it was the only sensual stimulation they were having at the time and that the music/movie truly sucked.
-------------------- "Life sucks but in this really beautiful way" - Axl Rose "Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS "When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi "Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson. "Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)
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c0_hush
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: SlashOZ]
#7686543 - 11/27/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hear ya.. Everyone I personally know who does psychedelics only care about one thing and it's getting high. No concept of insight, expanding your horizons or respect for the plant. They could care less and give me the same look as the people who've never done any drugs in their lives when I question their motives.
They also take these substance with no regard to set/setting and abuse them by using it way too often and complain about it not working; seeing shit like that, I think to myself no wonder it's so easy for the gov't to want to regulate these things and do so w/o much fight because the druggies will just move onto the next big thing and disregard the repercussions of their incompetence and what it's doing to those who're after knowledge and use these things for spiritual purposes.
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dfernandez90
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: deadatdusk]
#7686676 - 11/27/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enjoy it while you can, I read that salvia is going to become illegal as of January 2008. ( In United States that is)
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Cyrone
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: dfernandez90]
#7686802 - 11/27/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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People don't have to be into psychedelics to know the concepts of ego-death and things of that nature.
There are tons of books, philosophies, and videos about these types of things. Drugs are just one (temporary) path to accessing them. So yes, you should be mad at your co-workers for being close-minded in general. But then again, you cannot blame them because the government tries to hide these revelations from the public. My 2 roommates act the same way; they are grounded in the typical suburban lifestyle but technically that should be no excuse.
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WhiskeyClone
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: deadatdusk]
#7689651 - 11/28/07 09:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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deadatdusk said: Earlier today, I was talking to two of my co-workers about the concept of ego-death, and the use of salvia. They both looked at me like a crazy kook, and told me that there's no such thing as ego-death... just being really high on drugs. I find I have a very difficult time talking to people who haven't had insightful psychedelic experiences in the past. When I discuss psilocybin or other substances I often hear that I "just got really fucked up." I feel cut off from the rest of the world
You can't expect them to relate to you on topics that they obviously know nothing about. They are ignorant about psychedelics... ignorance is present in everybody; it's no reason to feel cut off from the world. Ignorance about drugs in particular is common. If someone has a decidedly uninformed point of view, it's not necessarily some terrible thing that has to be 'fixed.' To go around trying to enlighten others is a frustrating and pointless exercise.
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because of the inability of others to connect with me

So it's the responsibility of others, is it? You can't force people to understand things for which they have no point of reference. You don't need to make them understand. Your beliefs are no less valid because others don't identify with them.
Maybe your views on life have changed and don't fit with your old friends'/colleagues' ideals anymore. That happens. I'm experiencing something like that right now. But I can't blame them for it. People grow apart. If you don't want to grow apart from them, spend more time trying to understand their points of view and less time trying to get them to understand yours.
Don't let it make you feel isolated.
-------------------- Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man. For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire. Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it. ~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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ryancleg
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7689699 - 11/28/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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MindGorilla
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7689707 - 11/28/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm in the same boat. Most of the people I trip with enjoy it only because it is another means of, exactly like you said, "getting fucked up".
I guess that is why I come to this site, to relate to people that can relate to me.
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: deadatdusk]
#7690032 - 11/28/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Some cats float, some cats don't." - Aesop Rock
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Sell Your Soul
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: deadatdusk]
#7690133 - 11/28/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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deadatdusk said: I find I have a very difficult time talking to people who haven't had insightful psychedelic experiences in the past. Anyone relate?
Like I've always said ... there's no substitute for experience. Knowing something for yourself is not the same as believing what someone else tells you.
The only solution is for them to try psychedelics (I recommend a hefty dose of LSD) for themselves. After that, I doubt they would disbelieve you again.
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Divided_Sky
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: Sell Your Soul]
#7691045 - 11/28/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You just learn to seek out people that understand what you are talking about. I know many people who have never done psychedelics that are on the same page as me, and many who have and think you just do it to get fucked up. Of course, I know lots of people that have also used psychedelics and know exactly what I'm talking about.
Drugs definately work for alot of people, for people with our kind of upbringing who would have a hard time getting 'There' without them. But, they aren't really necessary. If what we experience is real (and I think much of it is) then it exists whether or not your are on LSD or MDMA. Ironically, I had to trip a good number of times to get to where I don't really need to (though it can be a usefull tool or booster from time to time).
99% of people in the West have no idea of reality beyond fundamentalist Christianity and pretentious ego-centric atheism. The idea that mystical experiences are real and that god might not be external and that the ego is an illusion has never even crossed the minds of almost every one of them. Generally it isn't there fault. The world view they inherited from their entire culture was just totally ignorant of the way things really are, so much so that when you tell them what you have experienced it seems alien and frightening, even an afront to their insecure reality.
The best thing to do is be a good example and be compassionate to those people, and when people respect you little by little reveal your ideas and experiences and maybe they will consider them. You have to have credibility first and people have to want to know what you know, otherwise they will just dismiss anything they don't understand. Generally speaking, people like to judge things they've never experienced based on myths and simplifications so you've got to give them a little incentive to look further and not alienate them.
Treat everybody like an old freind and they will like you no matter how far fetched they think your beliefs are. And if you really need to connect with people that KNOW they are looking for you as well. I mean that is what is happening right here.
-------------------- 1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..." 2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..." 3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."
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Cyrone
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Re: Psychedelics and social isolation [Re: Divided_Sky]
#7691501 - 11/28/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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^ That is awesome advice.. introducing yrself little by little and gaining trust.. with my roomates, I told them I did Acid in like the 1st week. They quickly dismissed it; but after 2 months or so, one of them finally tried weed. So it's definitely not good to just jump to talking about psychedelic experiences with common people... I mean, average person doesn't even THINK about that stuff; at ALL.
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