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Re: Maria Sabina speaking about mushrooms [Re: redgreenvines]
#7697709 - 11/30/07 06:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You win the award for best dodge of 11/30/07. If you do not believe in something that another does, does that make you a cynic? How many things must one disbelieve to meet your definition? At what point does learning come in?
We all know how you like to impress with your obsfucation, but can you not give one direct answer?
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Re: Maria Sabina speaking about mushrooms [Re: redgreenvines]
#7698181 - 11/30/07 09:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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anyone who has experienced empathy or telepahy can admit that the experience is closer to a curiosity and affliction than to a power.
I haven't noticed this "admitting" of any such thing by those who claim telepathy. Where else are you posting these days.
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Re: Maria Sabina speaking about mushrooms [Re: Icelander]
#7698301 - 11/30/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm sorry, I know tons of people who have experienced empathy and some of you may have forgotten and I know a few people who have experienced telepathy but that is not in this group - not to say you haven't - but we have not shared that
still when discussing these events and experiences, I have noticed that the people involved are not enabled or engaged in the process, and it is not at will. instead it occurs in the way that dreaming does. suddenly and bewilderingly, then it is gone, but the shock of it is something to deal with.
many begin immediately attempting to explain it or to consider they have a gift. Personally, it is not a gift any more than an affliction, and since there is no control over it, and no way to judge that it is other than dreams, I try to act like nothing special at all is going on, and just continue with my day.
I suspect many people completely deny that it happens to them simply because they don't want to deal with the compulsion to make it hard.
Orgone, you claim I am obfuscating. I am being very clear about not knowing what it is or how it is done, but I am also saying it happens and I can't fully describe it.
If you want to jam it into a description that fits badly or that makes it something else, then you are succeeding.
syllogistic error occurs when you expect that what you can't explain does not exist. (it is nearly a god like conceit, the corrolary -also an error- is that by explaining things you create them)
a different syllogistic error occurs when you identify an event as the same as another event when it only has some simmilarities:
for instance: chupacabras are unknown mysterious - probably hoax material invasion by aliens are hoax material some UFO's are known Hoaxes, others are unknown and unexplained spoon bending is a hoax telepathic card reading tricks are a hoax Empathy is known an may be explained by body language when persons are in view of eachother telepathy is not an explained phenomenon but it is also more commonly suspected than UFO's probably nothing unique or hoaxed in many cases, and yet it also seems to be happenning and not understood.
these are not all the same thing, so the same cynicism is not warranted for each of them.
you can have an open mind which is also cynical, i.e. not convinced of false explanations and syllogistic errors, but not in denial of what is happenning.
I would reccommend that for everyone.
i.e. don't be a dupe, and swami is very good at that side, but keep awake, i.e. don't let the cynical reaction be the kneejerk response when faced with something amazing but out of previous experience.
lots of things have no good words to describe them.
this is not obfuscation, it is an attempt to be truly scientific. to use accurate or at best suitable words.
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Re: Maria Sabina speaking about mushrooms [Re: redgreenvines]
#7698325 - 11/30/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well maybe it's because were sinners or cynics that we don't experience telepathy. None of my friends ever have either and they constitute a substantial lot over the years. I've always remained open to it but after fifty four years of phonies and blow hards sometimes you just move on.
If I experienced telepathy and I had no control over it, I certainly wouldn't be making any claims about it. I get enough ridicule in life and I see no reason to add to it.
And how would one know that others experience this anyway? If it's just intuition or a feeling guess then I could say I have it. In fact that's why I don't read whole posts especially if they're long. Give me the first sentence for most posts and I can telepathy the rest.
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Re: Maria Sabina speaking about mushrooms [Re: Icelander]
#7699454 - 11/30/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes intuition.
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